Is it time?

[OldSchool101]

I did read somewhere yesterday that said if Rodgers would retire..they would owe him $0. He would lose out on about $60 million though..trading him would not be ideal either as they would still be on the hook for about $15-20 million. They can't release him..they would still be on the hook for all of the guaranteed money.

Yes. he still has an applied cap hit even if retiring. See Luke Kuechly scenario. It’s the same as being cut but as you said Rodgers loses out big time.

When an NFL player retires, all of the dead money on their contract counts against the current year’s salary cap. As far as the salary cap goes, player retirement is treated the same as if a player were cut or traded by the team. Any non-dead money is forfeit upon retirement and does not count against the team’s cap, but the dead money remains.

Because he chose to retire, Luke Kuechly’s cap hit in 2020 will be slightly north of $11.8 million ($11,845,028 to be exact). After the 2020 season, Kuechly will be off the team’s books completely. While the non-money side of Kuechly’s retirement (the emotion, the play on the field, etc.) certainly sucks, it actually works out in Carolina’s favor financially. If he were still on the roster in 2020, Kuechly would count slightly over $15.5 million ($15,512,573 to be exact) against the team’s salary cap. But because he retired, the Panthers will end up saving a little over $3.6 million in cap space this year ($3,667,545 to be exact).

 

[lambeaulambo]

Favrists.
There were no shortage of those types.

I dont know who this favrist guy is but he may be attending Chelsea games

 

[Half Empty]

Now, there are 14 playoff teams every season (used to be 12). Only 1 team wins the prize. About 93% of the teams are getting gut punched every year. Keep it in perspective.

I don't know about the poster, but I think there is a difference between losing and getting gut punched.

 

[rmontro]

I don't know about the poster, but I think there is a difference between losing and getting gut punched.

I agree, but I don't think you can really say this year was a gut punch (maybe it feels like it lol). This team is quasi-rebuilding, and expectations were low, or rather they should have been.

 

[weeds]

I'll say that expectations SHOULD have been low but, I don't recall them being low as there was a lot of talk about the Packers being Super Bowl favorites regardless of the "Rodgers has nobody to throw to" talk. Then, the Pack start out 3-1 before belly-flopping. I was somewhat measured on this team, largely because of the uncertainty in the O-line and then, mix in a heapin' helpin' of Joe Barry.

The O-line concerned me - particularly with the Coach's promotion to O.C., and then when MLF began hinting that the offense's focus was going to be on the running game - admittedly, verbally I said "Well, let's wait and see", I was really thinking "How is our primadonna going to deal with this new focus".

I sure didn't see 8-9. Then again ... I also didn't see just how weak the discipline on this team is until it all unfolded. ...and then, toss in a broken thumb on primadonna's dominant hand and, along that vein, I'm not convinced that Love is the answer (regardless what the song says) based on 9 completions in 1 game.

So, Rodgers will come back. The Pack will have to get a re-negotiation out of him and kick more money down the road. They're not releasing Bahk or Jones ... they'll keep Barry and we'll have a re-run of '22 next season.

 

[OldSchool101]

It’ll take some crafty contract maneuvering + an admission from this Staff that the Macro player utilization was flawed last season. Great Coaches redirect and play to their strengths, even if it’s a diversion from their typical philosophy.

We need 1 more bonafide WR1-2 area. If we lose Lazard (WR2 production) add an additional concrete WR3. We also need Doubs to elevate his consistency next season.

The only thing we can afford is to draft one in the top 15-47 draft area.

 

[Pkrjones]

It’ll take some crafty contract maneuvering + an admission from this Staff that the Macro player utilization was flawed last season. Great Coaches redirect and play to their strengths, even if it’s a diversion from their typical philosophy.

We need 1 more bonafide WR1-2 area. If we lose Lazard (WR2 production) add an additional concrete WR3. We also need Doubs to elevate his consistency next season.

The only thing we can afford is to draft one in the top 15-47 draft area.

#47 sounds good to me, along with a decent TE with 3rd rounder (assuming Mayer is gone by #15). That's 2 new offensive weapons in top 3 picks to go with S & OT to round out first 2 days of draft. Count me in.

 

[OldSchool101]

#47 sounds good to me, a long with a decent TE with 3rd rounder (assuming Mayer is gone by #15). That's 2 new offensive weapons in top 3 picks to go with S & OT to round out first 2 days of draft. Count me in.

Sounds good. I appreciate a GM that is masterful in moving around the draft board if needed.

If our ideal Draftee is not there at #15, I’d be fine with us losing 5-8 spots Day 1 to attain an additional 2nd Rounder by packaging.
We should be able to still get a substantial player at #22 overall etc..but I like having 2 stabs in Round 2 and even if it takes a 3rd Rounder, which we historically suck at

 

[lambeaulambo]

If in fact it is blind loyalism going on amongst the coaching staff - Hackett made a total fool out of himself in Denver - so lets hire him back as OC - NO. Oh the Defense didnt totally implode - lets keep Barry - NO. During the preseason I remember watching the Oline and thinking - this is pretty close to our starters by week 1, and running the ball was tenuous at best. The writing was on the wall then.

 

[PikeBadger]

I don't know about the poster, but I think there is a difference between losing and getting gut punched.

So you think our fanbase is the only one that thinks they've been gut-punched?????? Seriously????

 

[McKnowledge]

So, Rodgers will come back. The Pack will have to get a re-negotiation out of him and kick more money down the road. They're not releasing Bahk or Jones ... they'll keep Barry and we'll have a re-run of '22 next season.

Unfortunately, more of the same.

Status quo.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I have seen several posters suggest the Packers should restructure Rodgers contract. While that sounds like a great idea in theory I would like at least one of you to make a reasonable suggestion on how that should work.

As I have mentioned repeatedly, his option bonus of $58.3 million is fully guaranteed with the cap hit already prorated over four seasons. While the Packers could add another year to that it would only save $2.915 million in cap space.

The only other way to restructure his deal is him forgoing guaranteed money which isn't going to happen.

The Packers could restructure several other deals to create cap space though, with Bakhtiari and Jones being realistic options.

 

[Half Empty]

So you think our fanbase is the only one that thinks they've been gut-punched?????? Seriously????

I re-read the post and don't see where you got this. I was referring to the post that said the 31 teams that don't win the Lombardi are all gut-punched. My contention is that the fans of a number of those teams understood from the get-go that they weren't going to win and/or that the loss wasn't a heartbreaker. Again, my contention is that there's a difference between losing and being gut-punched.

 

[tynimiller]

Sadly we are simply at a stage where what we have been hasn’t been working…what we need is a break up but neither side wants to be the one to say it.

At this point I’ll take gambling a future without Rodgers than with….I’m just over the not knowing, the drama and the losses late season at Lambeau.

 

[Team Ronny]

Yeah, same here. There aren't many qbs that play great in their 40's. Better to move on now..than watch the sequel to mannings last year.

 

[pacmaniac]

Yeah, same here. There aren't many qbs that play great in their 40's. Better to move on now..than watch the sequel to mannings last year.

I too think it is time to move on. I can see Rodgers having a better season next year, with a healed thumb and more chemistry with the receivers. He'll have a few 300 yard games, but that doesn't mean he's still a great QB. He's definitely on the decline. Peyton Manning in his final season still had a few 300 yard games.

I think Jordan Love has shown that he is probably capable of having some 300 yard games too.

 

[OldSchool101]

Sadly we are simply at a stage where what we have been hasn’t been working…what we need is a break up but neither side wants to be the one to say it.

At this point I’ll take gambling a future without Rodgers than with….I’m just over the not knowing, the drama and the losses late season at Lambeau.

I agree. However the reality of Rodgers is he’s guaranteed a massive amount of money in 2023 regardless if he plays or not.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I too think it is time to move on. I can see Rodgers having a better season next year, with a healed thumb and more chemistry with the receivers. He'll have a few 300 yard games, but that doesn't mean he's still a great QB. He's definitely on the decline. Peyton Manning in his final season still had a few 300 yard games.

Manning was terrible in his last season, throwing only nine touchdowns and 17 interceptions in 10 games. Rodgers isn't anywhere close to being that bad. Peyton still ended up winning the Super Bowl that year though.

 

[adambr2]

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That....clearly wasn't the point of why I said it at all.

 

[PikeBadger]

I re-read the post and don't see where you got this. I was referring to the post that said the 31 teams that don't win the Lombardi are all gut-punched. My contention is that the fans of a number of those teams understood from the get-go that they weren't going to win and/or that the loss wasn't a heartbreaker. Again, my contention is that there's a difference between losing and being gut-punched.

Ok, so which playoff teams got gut punched this weekend?

 

[longtimefan]

Ok, so which playoff teams got gut punched this weekend?

chargers

 

[Magooch]

Sadly we are simply at a stage where what we have been hasn’t been working…what we need is a break up but neither side wants to be the one to say it.

At this point I’ll take gambling a future without Rodgers than with….I’m just over the not knowing, the drama and the losses late season at Lambeau.

That’s more or less where I’ve started to settle.

Rodgers is a great QB. One of the best of all-time. And in a vacuum he probably DOES give us a better chance of winning than Love does. Even in decline it's fair to say Rodgers is still the better QB...and frankly I'm inclined to believe that this year was perhaps a bit of an anomaly and not a totally accurate reflection of where Rodgers is at as a player presently.

BUT all that being said...for one reason or another it is simply not working for us when push comes to shove. In 12 seasons since winning the Super Bowl in 2010 we have a total of 7 playoff wins. And that's not to say those are all on Rodgers by any means. Sometimes you could say the lion's share of blame would lie on the defense. Other times on special teams. Other time on coaching, other times on teammates, other times on just plain dumb bad luck, and so on. But the bottom line is that it hasn't worked out. Obviously that's no guarantee that it would have "worked" with someone else and that in and of itself is arguably not enough to justify a change, but...

And this isn't a slight on Rodgers or anyone in particular either. There have been plenty of instances where a player or coach simply needs a change of scenery and that ends up benefitting one or both parties. It's not that they are a bad player or "finished" or whatever but for some reason (that can often be hard to define and/or a bit mysterious) the pairing of player+team just doesn't seem to totally click when it really counts. Maybe an easy obvious example is with Matt Stafford and Jared Goff. Stafford wasn't going to win anything with the Lions and Goff wasn't going to win it for the Rams. Stafford joins the Rams and immediately leads them to the Super Bowl while Goff turns things around a bit in Detroit and ultimately you could say that all four parties (Stafford, Goff, Detroit, LA) all benefitted from it. It is what it is.

 

[Magooch]

Something I've also been considering a bit is the value of having a mobile QB/one who is a bit more of a threat with his legs.

Look at this year's playoff QBs:
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Kirk Cousins
Tom Brady
Dak Prescott
Daniel Jones
Geno Smith
Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Tyler Huntley*
Skyler Thompson*

Now just out of that bunch...Hurts, Allen, Jones, Smith, Mahomes, Lawrence all rank in the top 10 in QB rush yards. Burrow, Prescott, Herbert, Huntley all are inside the top 20, and the injured L. Jackson is #2.

So the only remaining QBs left who aren't really a legit rushing threat are Brock Purdy and Tom Brady. Obviously it's not the only factor but it does seem the way the league is starting to trend is towards teams wanting to have a more mobile-threat QB in the playoffs. Just one other factor to consider I guess.

 

[Schultz]

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That....clearly wasn't the point of why I said it at all.

Then what was the point?

 

[Schultz]

Something I've also been considering a bit is the value of having a mobile QB/one who is a bit more of a threat with his legs.

Look at this year's playoff QBs:
Jalen Hurts
Brock Purdy
Kirk Cousins
Tom Brady
Dak Prescott
Daniel Jones
Geno Smith
Patrick Mahomes
Josh Allen
Joe Burrow
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Herbert
Tyler Huntley*
Skyler Thompson*

Now just out of that bunch...Hurts, Allen, Jones, Smith, Mahomes, Lawrence all rank in the top 10 in QB rush yards. Burrow, Prescott, Herbert, Huntley all are inside the top 20, and the injured L. Jackson is #2.

So the only remaining QBs left who aren't really a legit rushing threat are Brock Purdy and Tom Brady. Obviously it's not the only factor but it does seem the way the league is starting to trend is towards teams wanting to have a more mobile-threat QB in the playoffs. Just one other factor to consider I guess.

Trade Rodgers for Fields?