Gute looking for 'bigger guys' to play a prominent role at slot WR

[InGuteWeTrust]

I usually don't put too much stock in what coaches say about their players when they make blanket statements like that. I know he isn't going to say what most of us feel "Aside from Davante we have no one who has proven himself. They have lots of talent and potential for sure but so far other than a few flashes that's it." Besides, I don't think anyone is doubting what he said. It is still a very raw group and almost ridiculously so if you take out Adams.

One thing I wonder about regarding EQ and MVS is if neither one really stepped up last year to outdistance himself from the pack or were they not really given the chance. I mean in some games it seemed like it was EQ and in others it was MVS. Was that by design or just happenstance given the opponents or was it because neither one kept up the pace. Its not a negative as both had decent years and I'm confident at least one will step up this year but I just wonder why neither one emerged as the front runner.

I disagree with most of what you said. I also don't think LaFleur was just blowing smoke as you imply. I think he was giving a honest opinion after he has watched many hours of film of his team. I realize what he said goes against what you think so you felt the need to discredit it some. You doing that is on you, not on myself or LaFleur.

MVS stood out clearly as the best of the rookies last year. EQ was solid, but the coaches said from day 1 that MVS was far ahead of the other two and that continued all season.

As of today your top 3 WR's would be Davante, G-Mo, and MVS. I would put EQ very much in the mix to be the starting slot WR. I like Kumerow and Lazard very much as well. Interested to see what rookie is brought in. J'Mon Moore will have to have a very good camp to make this team.

I like the whole WR corp and again look forward to the camp battles.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You obsess on and try to discredit in some way nearly every post I make here.

There's no need for that as you do a wonderful job of discrediting yourself all on your own.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

There's no need for that as you do a wonderful job of discrediting yourself all on your own.

Those who obsess on others and try to cut them down constantly are really talking about themselves. Psych 101.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Those who obsess on others and try to cut them down constantly are really talking about themselves. Psych 101.

Wow, you're an expert in psychology as well. You really don't cease to amaze me.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

Wow, you're an expert in psychology as well. You really don't cease to amaze me.

I realize you are a fan of mine. However, it is getting to stage 5 stalker levels at this point. This ends now.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I realize you are a fan of mine. However, it is getting to stage 5 stalker levels at this point. This ends now.

But, but, but.....

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[sschind]

I disagree with most of what you said. I also don't think LaFleur was just blowing smoke as you imply. I think he was giving a honest opinion after he has watched many hours of film of his team. I realize what he said goes against what you think so you felt the need to discredit it some. You doing that is on you, not on myself or LaFleur.

MVS stood out clearly as the best of the rookies last year. EQ was solid, but the coaches said from day 1 that MVS was far ahead of the other two and that continued all season.

As of today your top 3 WR's would be Davante, G-Mo, and MVS. I would put EQ very much in the mix to be the starting slot WR. I like Kumerow and Lazard very much as well. Interested to see what rookie is brought in. J'Mon Moore will have to have a very good camp to make this team.

I like the whole WR corp and again look forward to the camp battles.

We disagree on a lot of things. We disagree on the term loaded. I think it means having more than 1 guy who is a proven established player and you think it means just having a lot of guys. I prefer to have 3 or 4 players with a track record such that they are pretty much guaranteed a spot on the team. You are happy to have 1 WR who is a lock to make the team and have the rest of them fight it out for jobs in camp battles. I prefer to wait and see if the young receivers can build upon what they have accomplished so far and you seem to think its a given that they will or even that they already have without seeing a shred of evidence.

What I said was that aside from Adams this is a group of young, inexperienced but talented individuals who showed some flashes last year. If you disagree with that I don't know what else to say. Right now, as with years past this group presents me with more questions than answers. Adams was once a guy with several questions concerning him. He has answered those questions and I have absolutely no concerns about Adams. Every other WR in camp presents questions and none of them have answered any of them yet. They certainly may and as I have said several time I think one or more of them will but as of now they are still questions.

I like this group of WRs as well but I will like them even more after the season gets underway and one or more of them shows he can take the next step. Just because I like them doesn't mean I do not have concerns about them. I just can't take the "don't worry about it they will be just fine" approach.

I don't put a lot of stock in coach speak which is what I think is a lot of what we hear every single day from coaches throughout the league. A good coach is not going to say he is has concerns about having a bunch of unproven guys taking the field. Especially a new coach who has never watched these guys practice, he has never watched them perform live in a game, he has never watched them interact with team mates on the sideline. He has never watched them react to adverse situations and he may have never even spoken to them in person. You have a young coach who is not sure of what he has in this position group so he is going to be rather vague about it but still paint them in a positive light. That is what I think LaFleur has done. I would hope that he is not satisfied with the group as it stands as you appear to be.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

We disagree on a lot of things. We disagree on the term loaded. I think it means having more than 1 guy who is a proven established player and you think it means just having a lot of guys. I prefer to have 3 or 4 players with a track record such that they are pretty much guaranteed a spot on the team. You are happy to have 1 WR who is a lock to make the team and have the rest of them fight it out for jobs in camp battles. I prefer to wait and see if the young receivers can build upon what they have accomplished so far and you seem to think its a given that they will or even that they already have without seeing a shred of evidence.

What I said was that aside from Adams this is a group of young, inexperienced but talented individuals who showed some flashes last year. If you disagree with that I don't know what else to say. Right now, as with years past this group presents me with more questions than answers. Adams was once a guy with several questions concerning him. He has answered those questions and I have absolutely no concerns about Adams. Every other WR in camp presents questions and none of them have answered any of them yet. They certainly may and as I have said several time I think one or more of them will but as of now they are still questions.

I like this group of WRs as well but I will like them even more after the season gets underway and one or more of them shows he can take the next step. Just because I like them doesn't mean I do not have concerns about them. I just can't take the "don't worry about it they will be just fine" approach.

I don't put a lot of stock in coach speak which is what I think is a lot of what we hear every single day from coaches throughout the league. A good coach is not going to say he is has concerns about having a bunch of unproven guys taking the field. Especially a new coach who has never watched these guys practice, he has never watched them perform live in a game, he has never watched them interact with team mates on the sideline. He has never watched them react to adverse situations and he may have never even spoken to them in person. You have a young coach who is not sure of what he has in this position group so he is going to be rather vague about it but still paint them in a positive light. That is what I think LaFleur has done. I would hope that he is not satisfied with the group as it stands as you appear to be.

Who said I was satisfied fully with the WR group or ANY position group on the team? I have been a Packers fan from birth and I have never been fully satisfied with any position group nor will I ever be.

You can never have enough good players at any position. A team always should be growing and looking forward.

I may have a more positive view of some of the players we currently have than some here, but I want the team to always be looking to improve. I have confidence in the current brass and the fact that always looking to improve the roster is what they are doing. Offseason or in season the roster is always fluid and hopefully getting better.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While I may be excited about the potential of the Packer WR corp, I can't help but notice just how inexperienced it is once you get past Adams, its pretty scary. Even if the Packers use a relatively high pick on a WR, I don't expect anyone in this years draft class to have an immediate impact.

Adams: 348 Receptions, 4197 yards, 39 TD's.

GMO: 55, 758, 4
MVS: 38, 581, 2
EQ: 21, 328, 0
JK: 8, 103, 1
JM: 2, 15, 0
AL: 1, 7, 0

God forbid Adams suffers any kind of injury, because if he does, the Packers offense may be in for a very long year.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

While I may be excited about the potential of the Packer WR corp, I can't help but notice just how inexperienced it is once you get past Adams, its pretty scary. Even if the Packers use a relatively high pick on a WR, I don't expect anyone in this years draft class to have an immediate impact.

Adams: 348 Receptions, 4197 yards, 39 TD's.

GMO: 55, 758, 4
MVS: 38, 581, 2
EQ: 21, 328, 0
JK: 8, 103, 1
JM: 2, 15, 0
AL: 1, 7, 0

God forbid Adams suffers any kind of injury, because if he does, the Packers offense may be in for a very long year.

So you feel that Gute and LaFleur feel as you do that the WR corp needs more experience this season?

If that were the case Gute would go sign Dez Bryant and add a name you know and that you think provides experience. That would apparently make you personally feel better about the group, but would it make the team better? I'll take G-Mo and MVS over Dez Bryant and his "experience" all day every day and twice on Sundays.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If that were the case Gute would go sign Dez Bryant and add a name you know and that you think provides experience. That would apparently make you personally feel better about the group, but would it make the team better? I'll take G-Mo and MVS over Dez Bryant and his "experience" all day every day and twice on Sundays.

I'm not advocating for the Packers to sign Dez Bryant but more experience at wide receiver would be desirable.

Unfortunately the team doesn't have enough cap space to add a decent veteran at the position.

 

[gopkrs]

The forgotten man on the roster who profiles best as a big slot to me is J'Mon Moore. It will be interesting to see what he can do in training camp. Hopefully he can catch this year.

You want a slot that drops the ball?

 

[Dantés]

You want a slot that drops the ball?

I get the feeling you didn't read the entirety of my post.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So you feel that Gute and LaFleur feel as you do that the WR corp needs more experience this season?

If that were the case Gute would go sign Dez Bryant and add a name you know and that you think provides experience. That would apparently make you personally feel better about the group, but would it make the team better? I'll take G-Mo and MVS over Dez Bryant and his "experience" all day every day and twice on Sundays.

You know, I have watched you "pick these fights" with others and have kept my mouth shut. You seem to like to create Straw man Arguments and criticize others for expressing their opinions, while pretending only you have all the facts. Keep me out of your drama.

No where have I ever supported the signing of Dez Bryant. If people aren't allowed to make their own observations here, without you wanting to jump in and be an ******, let me know and you will be the very first person I put on ignore.

 

[Dantés]

You know, I have watched you "pick these fights" with others and have kept my mouth shut. You seem to like to create Straw man Arguments and criticize others for expressing their opinions, while pretending only you have all the facts. Keep me out of your drama.

No where have I ever supported the signing of Dez Bryant. If people aren't allowed to make their own observations here, without you wanting to jump in and be an ******, let me know and you will be the very first person I put on ignore.

It's much easier for him to argue with people if he gets to make their arguments for them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Amazing what a push of the ignore button cleans up

 

[sschind]

Amazing what a push of the ignore button cleans up

I've been avoiding it but it sure is tempting.

 

[sschind]

You want a slot that drops the ball?

No kidding. Guys who drop will never change. I'm sure glad we cut Davante Adams loose after his first year or two. That guy will never learn to catch and he will never amount to anything. Same for James Jones. Man that guy never learned to catch the ball and sucked all through his career.

 

[InGuteWeTrust]

You know, I have watched you "pick these fights" with others and have kept my mouth shut. You seem to like to create Straw man Arguments and criticize others for expressing their opinions, while pretending only you have all the facts. Keep me out of your drama.

No where have I ever supported the signing of Dez Bryant. If people aren't allowed to make their own observations here, without you wanting to jump in and be an ******, let me know and you will be the very first person I put on ignore.

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[Pokerbrat2000]

I've been avoiding it but it sure is tempting.

Did you say something?

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[Dantés]

Lol... @InGuteWeTrust is going to end up putting everyone who disagrees with him on ignore until he's just talking to himself. Probably his idea of the perfect forum.

 

[gopkrs]

No kidding. Guys who drop will never change. I'm sure glad we cut Davante Adams loose after his first year or two. That guy will never learn to catch and he will never amount to anything. Same for James Jones. Man that guy never learned to catch the ball and sucked all through his career.

Moore also had a drop problem in college. And besides...he is too big for the slot. Some of you want to put square pegs in round holes so you won't have to get a free agent or use a draftpick for the real thing.

 

[gopkrs]

I get the feeling you didn't read the entirety of my post.

I saw that in a later post you addressed that point. But I had already posted.

 

[Dantés]

I saw that in a later post you addressed that point. But I had already posted.

No... in the post you quoted I literally said, "I hope he can catch the ball this year."

 

[gopkrs]

No... in the post you quoted I literally said, "I hope he can catch the ball this year."

Yes but I got the impression you still wanted him at slot. If he doesn't catch the ball he won't be any good anywhere. Just to make clear what I think a slot is...if Davante goes out wide and takes a step or two back off the line; is he considered a slot? Because I think in that case he is what used to be called a flanker. For me the slot position is closer in to the linemen.