Good Bye J’aire Alexander

[Curly Calhoun]

Pretty much or....sour grapes.

Or did JA get a reputation as a bad apple? Or maybe he's just a second banana.

Has this discussion been fruitful at all?

 

[Schultz]

I apologize in advance. I hope Hobbs does not turn out to be a Lemon. Hopefully after the draft the outlook is peachy. Man, the board is slow right now.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I apologize in advance. I hope Hobbs does not turn out to be a Lemon. Hopefully after the draft the outlook is peachy. Man, the board is slow right now.

Now, orange you sorry you said that?

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[Pokerbrat2000]

Has this discussion been fruitful at all?

We may never know, until the Fall and Winter harvest!

 

[OldSchool101]

I apologize in advance. I hope Hobbs does not turn out to be a Lemon. Hopefully after the draft the outlook is peachy. Man, the board is slow right now.

Let’s just hope they don’t turn into AprilCuts

 

[gopkrs]

They won't if for no other reason than the office won't embarrass themselves
Which is a horrible reason.

 

[tynimiller]

lol Hobbs isn’t getting cut. He could end up not being either of our starting outside guys, and honestly that means Ja likely stayed or we got a stud in the draft - which I embrace fully as it means we are better.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Let’s just hope they don’t turn into AprilCuts

Nicely done - I think.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I have been thinking about the saying "comparing apples to oranges". Does it point out that those 2 things are different or is one supposed to be better than the other? For instance, AR was traded for a nice package. So was DA. Since AR was a QB and DA a WR, it is not fair to compare their trades equally. GB got a bunch of apples for AR and a bunch of oranges for DA. Or vice-versa depending on your taste. IMO Gute has decided JA is worth more than some bruised pears at this point.

I'm not sure I follow your analogy exactly but it is very funny. "...worth more than some bruised pears..." had me LOL.

The Packers don't have any incentive to cut JA right away (well, I don't think so - but the cap and the cap manipulations can prove that false).

JA is not a bad person - he has a very colorful style. When he is healthy he's among the top CBs in the NFL. The Packers will watch his progress post-surgery. If they think he can play they'll keep him. If not, he'll land somewhere else. Drafting Hobbs was cheap insurance.

All of this makes the #23 pick a mystery. It could be iDL/Edge/CB/WR - even OL wouldn't surprise me. The first round is always fun to watch. For Packer fans, it will be really interesting this year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

All of this makes the #23 pick a mystery.

Just realized....#23 is Jaire's number, will it be his replacement?

 

[tynimiller]

Just realized....#23 is Jaire's number, will it be his replacement?

I don't believe we pick at 23 personally. If forced to bet I bet our first pick will not be #23

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I'm not sure I follow your analogy exactly but it is very funny. "...worth more than some bruised pears..." had me LOL.

The Packers don't have any incentive to cut JA right away (well, I don't think so - but the cap and the cap manipulations can prove that false).

JA is not a bad person - he has a very colorful style. When he is healthy he's among the top CBs in the NFL. The Packers will watch his progress post-surgery. If they think he can play they'll keep him. If not, he'll land somewhere else. Drafting Hobbs was cheap insurance.

All of this makes the #23 pick a mystery. It could be iDL/Edge/CB/WR - even OL wouldn't surprise me. The first round is always fun to watch. For Packer fans, it will be really interesting this year.

I agree JA is not a bad person. I don't think that's the issue.

I believe it is his level of availability versus the size of his contract. He's great when he's on the field, it just hasn't been often enough. Realistically, as he ages, that's not likely to improve.

GMs have to make tough calls, and I believe Gutey has made his. How it turns out is unknowable right now, but I believe Alexander's time in Titletown is over.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I don't believe we pick at 23 personally. If forced to bet I bet our first pick will not be #23

Are we trading up or down?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't believe we pick at 23 personally. If forced to bet I bet our first pick will not be #23

Are we trading up or down?

I'm a betting man, but I wouldn't bet against Gute trying to trade up to get a better player. The Packers are close and Gute knows it. If he can move up and grab a player that he feels is an instant starter and improves the Packers, he takes it.

Then again, if the players that he feels the above about (instant starter) are gone, I can see Gute trading back and trying to pick up more picks to try and improve the odds of improving the team.

 

[tynimiller]

Are we trading up or down?

yes lol

 

[Schultz]

I don't believe we pick at 23 personally. If forced to bet I bet our first pick will not be #23

IMO trading down in the 1st round is a good move this year. You need a trade partner though. That is not always easy.

 

[Schultz]

I'm a betting man, but I wouldn't bet against Gute trying to trade up to get a better player. The Packers are close and Gute knows it. If he can move up and grab a player that he feels is an instant starter and improves the Packers, he takes it.

Then again, if the players that he feels the above about (instant starter) are gone, I can see Gute trading back and trying to pick up more picks to try and improve the odds of improving the team.

This draft is the fewest picks I can remember for Gute. IMO he will be hard pressed to give up much to move up.

 

[tynimiller]

IMO trading down in the 1st round is a good move this year. You need a trade partner though. That is not always easy.

I believe if one of the top 3 or 4 WR make it there or honestly top end wise CB is a limited position...part of me thinks if you told me to list three players that someone might want to come get it would be:

A WR named Golden or Egbuka
A CB named Amos or Shavon
I could also see someone trading up for that third QB...whether it be Milroe or Dart.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This draft is the fewest picks I can remember for Gute. IMO he will be hard pressed to give up much to move up.

I'm ok with him giving up his 3rd rounder, to move up. I would also be in favor of him trading his 3rd rounder, for more picks....outside of the 3rd round.

 

[mradtke66]

I'm ok with him giving up his 3rd rounder, to move up.

Problem is our picks aren't all that valuable. Our 3rd and our 1st (23rd overall) have a combined value in somewhere in between the17th and 18th overall. It would likely require a special player to make it worth the cost.

Our 1st and 2nd are only worth, roughly, the 13th or 14th.

Our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd combined still doesn't quite get us into the top 10.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Problem is our picks aren't all that valuable. Our 3rd and our 1st (23rd overall) have a combined value in somewhere in between the17th and 18th overall. It would likely require a special player to make it worth the cost.

Our 1st and 2nd are only worth, roughly, the 13th or 14th.

Our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd combined still doesn't quite get us into the top 10.

How about our 2025 1st and our 3rd round picks in 2025, 26, 27 and 28?

 

[mradtke66]

How about our 2025 1st and our 3rd round picks in 2025, 26, 27 and 28?

Humor aside, future picks are normally valued less because you don't know if it'll be 65 or 96. I don't know exactly how they get downgraded. I'd guess either averaging it out (80th) or worst case (96)

Averaged: 190 * 4 = 760 + 760 (23 overall) = 1320, or splitting 9 and 10. I presume we wouldn't get 9 (undervalued) and Chicago holds 10, so there is some kind of intradivision penalty.

Worst Case: 4 * 116 = 464 + 760 (23 overall) = 1224, splitting 11 (SF) and 12 (Dallas). Both could use an influx of talent, but spreading the 3rds over 4 years means it won't help them now.

 

[OldSchool101]

Nicely done - I think.

Actually it’s you that deserves the accommodation for laughing at my joke. That’s the best humor I could come with in 2025 it’s Apricot Aprilcut it’s a cold cold audience I tell ya! I couldn’t hear a pin drop after that until you poked my $&s! with it.
I don’t get No respect! I’ll tell ya no respect (eyes bugging out as I straighten my tie)

 

[OldSchool101]

How about our 2025 1st and our 3rd round picks in 2025, 26, 27 and 28?

It’s be easier to go work the street corner

 

[Schultz]

I believe if one of the top 3 or 4 WR make it there or honestly top end wise CB is a limited position...part of me thinks if you told me to list three players that someone might want to come get it would be:

A WR named Golden or Egbuka
A CB named Amos or Shavon
I could also see someone trading up for that third QB...whether it be Milroe or Dart.

WR needy teams seem to all pick b4 GB. I doubt he would trade back to #37. Just IMO. I believe there will be a few corners left. Hairston, Amos, Revel. Rams might want to pick ahead of Minny. IMO. QB scenario. Ward goes #1. Sanders goes 3 or 4. Steelers are in line for 3rd QB at 21. If both pass on Sanders and Pit takes him at 21 then Giants may want to move ahead of CLV for the 3rd QB if they really like one more than the other. IMO the QBs go 1, 21, 33 & 34. As always just my opinion which is usually wrong.