Going For 2

[CashInFist]

I laugh every time I see the look on Eddie Lacy's face at about 20 seconds in. Because that is exactly what I was thinking at that moment. LOL

 

[CashInFist]

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[CashInFist]

I mean seriously guys, it IS the best throw in NFL history. No question.

 

[CashInFist]

The view from 1:18 on was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen in the NFL. As a matter of fact, if you listen, it even left Chris Collinsworth and Al Michaels SPEECHLESS for a couple of seconds. Good luck getting those guys not to talk in unison again ever. LOL

 

[Half Empty]

Point blank, it was that throw by Aaron Rodgers that brought me back. The Dolphins and NFL were both FIRED in my life until that one throw, which I believe is the greatest throw in NFL history.

I've seen lots of folks accused of being on or off the bandwagon, but one play does it for you?

 

[TJV]

I've seen lots of folks accused of being on or off the bandwagon, but one play does it for you?

If so, there must be fair weather for fans like CashinFist.

 

[Un4GivN]

The view from 1:18 on was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen in the NFL. As a matter of fact, if you listen, it even left Chris Collinsworth and Al Michaels SPEECHLESS for a couple of seconds. Good luck getting those guys not to talk in unison again ever. LOL

Is this the hail mary in detroit? (can't see videos in the office)

If so it was a great so of arm strength and agility from a QB but in my mind far from the best throw in NFL history. I could make the argument easily that the throw to Jennings in the Super Bowl on 3rd down was a more technical/impressive throw because of the small window he had to throw into. To me the distance you throw the ball has nothing to do with skill. Many everyday people can wing a ball 75 yards, very very few can shoot a laser in at 15 yards with less than 2 inches to spare.

Just my thoughts, its a subjective thing so there isn't really a right or wrong answer.

 

[CashInFist]

Is this the hail mary in detroit? (can't see videos in the office)

If so it was a great so of arm strength and agility from a QB but in my mind far from the best throw in NFL history. I could make the argument easily that the throw to Jennings in the Super Bowl on 3rd down was a more technical/impressive throw because of the small window he had to throw into. To me the distance you throw the ball has nothing to do with skill. Many everyday people can wing a ball 75 yards, very very few can shoot a laser in at 15 yards with less than 2 inches to spare.

Just my thoughts, its a subjective thing so there isn't really a right or wrong answer.

The throw against the Cardinals. The throw against the Lions got us to the playoffs. The throw against the Cardinals could have won a Super Bowl. It was that close.

 

[CashInFist]

If so, there must be fair weather for fans like CashinFist.

I can't argue that. It is exactly that. I spent my whole life since 10 years old watching Dan Marino play, even in college. Now I want to watch Aaron Rodgers full-time. Whatever that is, that is exactly what I am. LOL

 

[irishfan]

There is probably a better thread for this but can we discuss the tackling or lack of it on Larry Fitzgeralds game winning play. It was pathetic and embarrassing to see professional sportsmen be so incompetent at a fundamental skill. From tacklers going in to high and getting stiff armed, potential tacklers jogging back to Clay Matthews allowing Larry Fitzgerald to cut inside him when TWO GB tacklers had the sideline covered.

Two huge defensive lapses in 2 years meaning your HOF QB gets no chance too respond is much more than dumb luck and needs to be fixed.

 

[Daryl Muellenberg]

There is probably a better thread for this but can we discuss the tackling or lack of it on Larry Fitzgeralds game winning play. It was pathetic and embarrassing to see professional sportsmen be so incompetent at a fundamental skill. From tacklers going in to high and getting stiff armed, potential tacklers jogging back to Clay Matthews allowing Larry Fitzgerald to cut inside him when TWO GB tacklers had the sideline covered.

Two huge defensive lapses in 2 years meaning your HOF QB gets no chance too respond is much more than dumb luck and needs to be fixed.

I agree the tackling was bad on that play, but you pretty much see bad/missed tackles every game from every team. I'm not sure exactly what can be discussed about it, except to complain about it.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Ahem, to get the thread back on topic, as it's still been stuck in my mind...

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think MM was wrong to just kick the extra point, it's part of the conventional wisdom of today's football game, you just don't have too many coaches that are going to stake it on a 2 pt conversion, just like you're not going to have too many coaches that take on a riverboat gambling approach and go for it during early points in the game when they're deep in their own territory, even when it's 4th and only about 3 inches to go. Plus if you just kick the extra point and the time has ticked down really low, it just seems more reasonable to hope you can either win the coin toss for OT, or hope your D gets a stop or holds to a FG if you don't.

But in my thinking, I actually like the idea of coaches going for 2 late in games when down by 7, to go for a go-head score because in doing so, if the clock's about to expire they're at least putting their fate in the hands of their offense and not potentially in the fate of a coin toss. I mean yeah I know the rule changes to OT only have sudden death on an opening offensive possession if a TD is scored, but still it does mean if that happens that the other team will not get a crack at it. I don't see Goodell changing it to college rules so it's probably the way that will be for the foreseeable future. And I get that an opening drive TD doesn't happen that much, but still you're running the risk that it will and not giving your team a shot to possess it thanks to a coin toss.

Plus, you go for 2 and miss it, you'll still get to go for an onside kick, which to me this would encourage more coaches to practice it and throw in more wrinkles into the onside, also if you make it and there still is time for the other team to get a FG, the pressure probably gets greater on that kicker's head knowing he has to make it or he won't get a mulligan in OT. I don't know, I'm just liking the idea of the fate of a team being decided by an offense's ability to score from 2 yards out of the endzone as opposed to a referee flipping and potentially ******** up a coin. If MM did start doing this, I could see a new precedent for the league.

 

[CashInFist]

Ahem, to get the thread back on topic, as it's still been stuck in my mind...

As I mentioned in another thread, I don't think MM was wrong to just kick the extra point, it's part of the conventional wisdom of today's football game, you just don't have too many coaches that are going to stake it on a 2 pt conversion, just like you're not going to have too many coaches that take on a riverboat gambling approach and go for it during early points in the game when they're deep in their own territory, even when it's 4th and only about 3 inches to go. Plus if you just kick the extra point and the time has ticked down really low, it just seems more reasonable to hope you can either win the coin toss for OT, or hope your D gets a stop or holds to a FG if you don't.

But in my thinking, I actually like the idea of coaches going for 2 late in games when down by 7, to go for a go-head score because in doing so, if the clock's about to expire they're at least putting their fate in the hands of their offense and not potentially in the fate of a coin toss. I mean yeah I know the rule changes to OT only have sudden death on an opening offensive possession if a TD is scored, but still it does mean if that happens that the other team will not get a crack at it. I don't see Goodell changing it to college rules so it's probably the way that will be for the foreseeable future. And I get that an opening drive TD doesn't happen that much, but still you're running the risk that it will and not giving your team a shot to possess it thanks to a coin toss.

Plus, you go for 2 and miss it, you'll still get to go for an onside kick, which to me this would encourage more coaches to practice it and throw in more wrinkles into the onside, also if you make it and there still is time for the other team to get a FG, the pressure probably gets greater on that kicker's head knowing he has to make it or he won't get a mulligan in OT. I don't know, I'm just liking the idea of the fate of a team being decided by an offense's ability to score from 2 yards out of the endzone as opposed to a referee flipping and potentially ******** up a coin. If MM did start doing this, I could see a new precedent for the league.

Yes on everything.

 

[longtimefan]

Is this the hail mary in detroit? (can't see videos in the office)

If so it was a great so of arm strength and agility from a QB but in my mind far from the best throw in NFL history. I could make the argument easily that the throw to Jennings in the Super Bowl on 3rd down was a more technical/impressive throw because of the small window he had to throw into. To me the distance you throw the ball has nothing to do with skill. Many everyday people can wing a ball 75 yards, very very few can shoot a laser in at 15 yards with less than 2 inches to spare.

Just my thoughts, its a subjective thing so there isn't really a right or wrong answer.

I actually agree with that..

 

[adambr2]

I agree the tackling was bad on that play, but you pretty much see bad/missed tackles every game from every team. I'm not sure exactly what can be discussed about it, except to complain about it.

My father in law wanted someone from the bench to run out and tackle him, I had to explain to him that the Cardinals would have been awarded the game winning TD for that.

 

[Half Empty]

Since that happened on the next play, it might have been more fun for it to happen you FIL's way.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Plus, you go for 2 and miss it, you'll still get to go for an onside kick,

This would not have been the case against the Cardinals, since there was no time left on the clock.

Throughout the history of the 2 point conversion, fans have debated "should have/shouldn't have gone for 2". Usually only debating those decisions that led to a negative outcome. There are obvious situations where going for a 2 is a no brainer and many that aren't, because of other variables involved. I have a really hard time with people ripping on Mike McCarthy and saying that he made a fatal error not going for 2 due to probabilities, simply because those people are not taking into consideration that the probabilities rely on all variables of the decision being equal and they aren't. A simple way to look at how relying solely on probabilities is wrong, would be to take that same situation in AZ and toss in "Mason Crosby made a tackle on a previous kickoff and was knocked out for the game". Now what are the probabilities of making an extra point VS. going for 2?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

This would not have been the case against the Cardinals, since there was no time left on the clock.

Throughout the history of the 2 point conversion, fans have debated "should have/shouldn't have gone for 2". Usually only debating those decisions that led to a negative outcome. There are obvious situations where going for a 2 is a no brainer and many that aren't, because of other variables involved. I have a really hard time with people ripping on Mike McCarthy and saying that he made a fatal error not going for 2 due to probabilities, simply because those people are not taking into consideration that the probabilities rely on all variables of the decision being equal and they aren't. A simple way to look at how relying solely on probabilities is wrong, would be to take that same situation in AZ and toss in "Mason Crosby made a tackle on a previous kickoff and was knocked out for the game". Now what are the probabilities of making an extra point VS. going for 2?

True, like I said I don't think MM was wrong, that's not what I'm getting at. I'm looking at it from a distance and thinking about what the NFL in general would be like if coaches went for all or nothing in regulation by going for 2 instead of playing for OT. I'm just thinking I like it, given that they already do that in preseason games, why not make it more common in regular season games. Make more teams play like no lead is safe if you will.

 

[Poppa San]

Don't recall seeing posted how decent the Arizona defense was at stopping game winning 2 point conversions. As opposed to game tying as opposed to getting the score closer / farther.

 

[Croak]

How sad for you.

How do you think it works? Does "Vegas" buy off players? Head coaches? Are all the players involved or just a select few? Do you have any evidence to support how you think it works? How long has it been going on? In all that time, why hasn't a disgruntled player decided to get rich by exposing the scandal?

I'll put on a foil hat at times too. There are circumstances on some days that look fishy. I wonder sometimes whether the NFL offices don't exert a little influence on refereeing decisions to sways games to be more exciting or to make more money. Sometimes, I think the NFL looks eerily similar to the WWE. I don't know if Vegas gets in on the action. But after seeing it happen in other major sports, it wouldn't surprise me.

I'll give a for instance; my older brother and I were talking about the "coincidence" that right at the beginning of the season there were several games with dramatic come from way behind wins. It may have been just a fluke in the game. But I have to admit, that kind of stuff sure drives up viewership and excitement for future games. But it all might just be me wearing a foil hat and a straight jacket in a rubber room.

 

[Croak]

I mean seriously guys, it IS the best throw in NFL history. No question.

Maybe I could be persuaded to say it is the best hail mary, but I still think the best "throw" in NFL history was called "the catch".

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[Half Empty]

Well, from the title, I'd say it might be the best catch, not the best throw.

 

[TJV]

But it all might just be me wearing a foil hat and a straight jacket in a rubber room.

IMO unless there's some actual evidence this.

 

[Croak]

IMO unless there's some actual evidence this.

If there was evidence, then it wouldn't be a conjecture. When the Asian mafia were rigging the "world football" matches, there wasn't evidence until they were caught. We've recently read through ESPN investigative reporters that the "spygate" deal with the Patriots was much more extensive than first reported. Some 40 games were affected during several runs to the Super Bowl and Rodger Goodell called other coaches to ask them to hush it up. So, even without evidence, it's plausible. Of course, I'm on Percocet right now, so I could almost imagine anything.

 

[CashInFist]

I'll put on a foil hat at times too. There are circumstances on some days that look fishy. I wonder sometimes whether the NFL offices don't exert a little influence on refereeing decisions to sways games to be more exciting or to make more money. Sometimes, I think the NFL looks eerily similar to the WWE. I don't know if Vegas gets in on the action. But after seeing it happen in other major sports, it wouldn't surprise me.

I'll give a for instance; my older brother and I were talking about the "coincidence" that right at the beginning of the season there were several games with dramatic come from way behind wins. It may have been just a fluke in the game. But I have to admit, that kind of stuff sure drives up viewership and excitement for future games. But it all might just be me wearing a foil hat and a straight jacket in a rubber room.

If they do it in other sports, wouldn't it be a given they are doing it in the NFL too?