Free Agents you would like to see sign with Green Bay in 2019?

[HardRightEdge]

This is probably my biggest pet peeve about the NFL. Almost annually you see teams win it all in different ways. The obvious conclusion is that there are multiple paths to the Lombardi. And yet most fans, and seemingly several teams, fall into the trap of thinking that the most recent success is the only way to get the job done.

So you get things like...

You can't win a Super Bowl unless you have a QB on a rookie deal. Or...

You can't win a Super Bowl unless you have a savvy veteran QB. Or...

You can't win a Super Bowl unless you have a shut down defense. Or...

You can't win a Super Bowl unless you have an offense that scores 30+.

Blah, blah, blah... it's all reductionist nonsense.

To win a Super Bowl, you have to have a number of defined strengths and minimal weaknesses. The end.

Or you can't win a Super Bowl without spending a boatload of money or picks on OTs, WRs and Edge players.

 

[Dantés]

Or you can't win a Super Bowl without spending a boatload of money or picks on OTs, WRs and Edge players.

It's a new league HRE!

Oh, and it's a been a new league every year since, like... 2005.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think Graham can have a better year this year and that’s especially if we grab another playmaker in the passing game.
He’s got too much emphasis on him and that and poor usage created a false positive. If Graham was our #3 target rather than #2? the decreased focus will put him at or near 900+/7+ TDs

 

[Dantés]

This is my buyer beware list. Some of them might not even make it to market, but generally I would be really skeptical about giving any of these guys a big contract:

• L. Bell, RB, PIT
• G. Tate, WR, PHI
• T. Brown, OT, NE
• J. James, OT, MIA
• R. Saffold, G, LAR
• J. Clowney, ED, HOU
• D. Fowler, ED, LAR
• L. Collins, S, NYG

 

[wist43]

Shaquil Barett, LB, Den
Preston Smith, Edge, Wash
Anthony Barr, LB Vikes

There are a few quality OT's available, so any one of them.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

First, I would take 9-6-1 while missing the playoffs as a "down" season compared to what the Packers have experienced recently.

As for your "RINGZZZZZ!!!" argument; Dan Marino, Calvin Johnson, Tony Gonzalez, etc. would seem to imply that Super Bowls won isn't that relevant a stat. Unless you want to tell me that Barry Sanders was a locker room problem?

Once again, the reason I bring up the Steelers not making the playoffs in 2018 as well as Moss not winning a Super Bowl is that some of you act that acquiring Brown guarantees the Packers immediately becoming a legit Super Bowl contender. That's simply not true though.

 

[tynimiller]

Once again, the reason I bring up the Steelers not making the playoffs in 2018 as well as Moss not winning a Super Bowl is that some of you act that acquiring Brown guarantees the Packers immediately becoming a legit Super Bowl contender. That's simply not true though.

I agree. Honestly, as much as I don't like saying it, long term I think the Pittsburgh guy with initials LB and not AB makes our offense deadlier. However, I don't feel I'm comfortable budget wise with what it would take for either...not the smartest play IMO.

 

[gbgary]

i just want better. a bunch of lateral moves at this late stage doesn't make sense. i mentioned thomas and/or flowers. if they have enough cap to make a couple of impact signings (on either side of the ball) i'd be happy. it's really their last chance as next season's (2020) cap space will really get pinched by important resignings and rodgers' hit. will gute have the guts?

 

[Half Empty]

i just want better. a bunch of lateral moves at this late stage doesn't make sense. i mentioned thomas and/or flowers. if they have enough cap to make a couple of impact signings (on either side of the ball) i'd be happy. it's really their last chance as next season's (2020) cap space will really get pinched by important resignings and rodgers' hit. will gute have the guts?

Can't argue with AR's impact on the cap, but (especially given a lot of the comments about even retaining them this year) how many of these really look to be 'must sign' types in 2020?

Mike Daniels
Bryan Bulaga
Tramon Williams
Mason Crosby
Jason Spriggs
Kapri Bibbs
Kyler Fackrell
Antonio Morrison
Dean Lowry
Blake Martinez
Trevor Davis

 

[gbgary]

Can't argue with AR's impact on the cap, but (especially given a lot of the comments about even retaining them this year) how many of these really look to be 'must sign' types in 2020?

Mike Daniels
Bryan Bulaga
Tramon Williams
Mason Crosby
Jason Spriggs
Kapri Bibbs
Kyler Fackrell
Antonio Morrison
Dean Lowry
Blake Martinez
Trevor Davis

i'm thinking maybe daniels and martinez, khalil fackrell if he keeps trending up...or they might let them go and want to tie up clark and a couple others a year early as other big names come up in 2021. who knows who might make a statement before then. they're really going to have to watch themselves the next few years.

 

[sschind]

I think Graham can have a better year this year and that’s especially if we grab another playmaker in the passing game.
He’s got too much emphasis on him and that and poor usage created a false positive. If Graham was our #3 target rather than #2? the decreased focus will put him at or near 900+/7+ TDs

I agree but you know some fans won't be happy unless he has a career year given what he is being paid.

 

[tynimiller]

Mike Daniels
Bryan Bulaga
Tramon Williams
Mason Crosby
Jason Spriggs
Kapri Bibbs
Kyler Fackrell
Antonio Morrison
Dean Lowry
Blake Martinez
Trevor Davis

Mike Daniels (Nope...I have even hinted at depending how aggressive Gute gets THIS year, Daniels actually would save the team A TON of cap space and make it easier to target or pay for someone now rather than next year)
Bryan Bulaga (Nope)
Tramon Williams (I predict cut this year)
Mason Crosby (I predict cut this year)
Jason Spriggs (Going to be affordable and has shown glimpses...there are far worse guys to bring off the bench...draft could totally make him a nope easily though as well...tough for me to say as local guy)
Kapri Bibbs (Nope...NOPE...NOPE)
Kyler Fackrell (all depends on his trend...he explodes again may get too expensive)
Antonio Morrison (I predict he'll resign as he will be affordable and serviceable for the cash)
Dean Lowry (Lowry is like Fackrell depends on his 19' year)
Blake Martinez (we will resign....must...eh...but dude has been solid and will be affordable)
Trevor Davis (Nope...MVS and EQ both proved better WR candidates)

 

[Deleted member 6794]

i just want better. a bunch of lateral moves at this late stage doesn't make sense. i mentioned thomas and/or flowers. if they have enough cap to make a couple of impact signings (on either side of the ball) i'd be happy. it's really their last chance as next season's (2020) cap space will really get pinched by important resignings and rodgers' hit. will gute have the guts?

The Packers should definitely sign some veterans capable of having an immediate impact this offseason but they shouldn't overpay for older players ones. It's possible for Gutekunst to field a competitive team even with Rodgers cap hit increasing in 2020.

Can't argue with AR's impact on the cap, but (especially given a lot of the comments about even retaining them this year) how many of these really look to be 'must sign' types in 2020?

Mike Daniels
Bryan Bulaga
Tramon Williams
Mason Crosby
Jason Spriggs
Kapri Bibbs
Kyler Fackrell
Antonio Morrison
Dean Lowry
Blake Martinez
Trevor Davis

In my opinion only Lowry and Martinez should definitely be re-signed. With Mackrell I'm not convinced he will be able to put up numbers close to last season.

i'm thinking maybe daniels and martinez, khalil fackrell if he keeps trending up...or they might let them go and want to tie up clark and a couple others a year early as other big names come up in 2021. who knows who might make a statement before then. they're really going to have to watch themselves the next few years.

It would most likely be smart for the Packers to part ways with Daniels after the 2019 season.

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah Daniels is gonna be tough for me to see go, but I've already said if needed his cut this year saves a TON. Dude loves Green Bay, stays in off season even, and is a workhorse of a dude. If he doesn't stick around it will be a sad but understandable day in GB. Honestly, while we all can hope his desire to stay would mean he'd slice a big off the cost of re-signing but unless it is a crazy big slice, fiscally it is going to make more sense to let him walk.

 

[rodell330]

Can't argue with AR's impact on the cap, but (especially given a lot of the comments about even retaining them this year) how many of these really look to be 'must sign' types in 2020?

Mike Daniels
Bryan Bulaga
Tramon Williams
Mason Crosby
Jason Spriggs
Kapri Bibbs
Kyler Fackrell
Antonio Morrison
Dean Lowry
Blake Martinez
Trevor Davis

NONE not even Mike Daniels. He’s gotta give me more than 1 or 2 sacks and a couple tackles behind the line of scrimmage at that DE spot. He hasn’t lived up to the contract the Packers gave him a couple years ago.

 

[tynimiller]

NONE not even Mike Daniels. He’s gotta give me more than 1 or 2 sacks and a couple tackles behind the line of scrimmage at that DE spot. He hasn’t lived up to the contract the Packers gave him a couple years ago.

I'm curious, if Blake is not someone to resign, what more does one desire out of your ILB? I'm merely curious to your thoughts?

 

[GleefulGary]

I'm curious, if Blake is not someone to resign, what more does one desire out of your ILB? I'm merely curious to your thoughts?

A playmaker would be nice.

He gets a lot of tackles. The majority of those are 5+ yards down the field. That doesn't say a lot to me, personally. He's average, at best, in coverage and I'm being generous. He doesn't make a lot of plays downhill, hesitates too much, and misses too many tackles. He's average to slightly above-average. Benefits a lot from our DL plugging up OL in front of him.

 

[GleefulGary]

Anybody using sack numbers to define Mike Daniel's impact doesn't know **** about ****.

 

[tynimiller]

Anybody using sack numbers to define Mike Daniel's impact doesn't know **** about ****.

AMEN

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Anybody using sack numbers to define Mike Daniel's impact doesn't know **** about ****.

Thank God somebody finally said it. 3-4 DEs don't get huge sack numbers. If anything the star of a 3-4 scheme is the NT, which Clark is the star. Daniels job is to attract and take on double teams, collapsing the pocket so the LBs or NT can finish the play. That's exactly how Pettine draws it up. 3-5 sacks from Daniels is a great year for him, or anyone on the DL for that matter.

In other news, Suh, Fowler, Joyner, and Saffold are going to be hitting the market. I'd definitely be interested in Fowler to replace Clay, or at least put less pressure on the Draft to find an impact player immediately. Joyner could be the final piece to the secondary.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Anybody using sack numbers to define Mike Daniel's impact doesn't know **** about ****.

While that's definitely true Daniels performance regressed a bit last season.

 

[MrRodgers]

What about Houston? I hear he’s going to hit the market from KC?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

What about Houston? I hear he’s going to hit the market from KC?

The Packers trading for Houston would be a significant risk with him being 30 years old and set to count $15.5 million towards the cap next season.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Eagles just extended Brandon Graham for 3 years. Honestly even with Daniels regressing(slightly I might add), who are we going to find to replace him? My biggest issue with the 3-4 base set is the shallow pond from which we can fish for talent, these types of guys just don't come around much, in the Draft or Free Agency.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Eagles just extended Brandon Graham for 3 years. Honestly even with Daniels regressing(slightly I might add), who are we going to find to replace him? My biggest issue with the 3-4 base set is the shallow pond from which we can fish for talent, these types of guys just don't come around much, in the Draft or Free Agency.

It's difficult to find elite defensive linemen while playing a 4-3 base defense as well.