Free Agents you would like to see sign with Green Bay in 2019?

[Deleted member 6794]

Ideally Cobb resigns a short multi term deal in the 2yr/$10-15M range, any more than that and it probably time to part ways.

There's no way the Packers should offer Cobb that kind of money.

Good list!

Also hypothetical question, but I'm curious. If The Giants were to trade ODB would anyone be interested here? I'm simply curious is all.

The Packers don't need another #1 receiver. I would prefer the team to add a decent #2 for way less money.

 

[sschind]

There's no way the Packers should offer Cobb that kind of money.



The Packers don't need another #1 receiver. I would prefer the team to add a decent #2 for way less money.

Of course not, what are they going to do with Adams, Antonio Brown AND OBJ. Brandon might wet the bed though.

All kidding aside you made a very good point. As great as a duo like Adams and OBJ (or Adams and Brown) would look on paper it's not what we need. We do need another WR but we need a reliable #2 to line up opposite Adams and complement him not another #1 to compete with him for targets. I think a bigger need is someone one to replace Cobb in the slot. If we can do the later (Humphries in FA perhaps) I would be satisfied going with Allison and the wonder triplets (and maybe Kumerow.) I'd still like to draft a high round (day 1 or 2) WR but I could live with what we have if we added a reliable slot guy.

I think a more involved and improved Graham (or Irv Smith Jr) and more involvement of the RBs in the passing game will mitigate the need for an additional WR on the outside. At least to a degree where I would be comfortable in my belief that at least one of the 3 (MVS, EQ or even JMoore) will step up.

 

[Do7]

There's no way the Packers should offer Cobb that kind of money.



The Packers don't need another #1 receiver. I would prefer the team to add a decent #2 for way less money.

I swear I had no idea they would bring this up. XD

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[GreenNGold_81]

Good list!

Also hypothetical question, but I'm curious. If The Giants were to trade ODB would anyone be interested here? I'm simply curious is all.

I would give pick 12 for ODB. Definitely one of the best in the game and still young (26). Fastest player EVER to get to 5000 yards.

 

[OldSchool101]

There's no way the Packers should offer Cobb that kind of money.

“That kind of money” doesn’t help. Are you saying he’s worth >=8M annual or <=4.5M annual?

1. What do you think he’s worth to GB?
2. What do you think he signs for on the open market if that range is unacceptable?

 

[thequick12]

“That kind of money” doesn’t help. Are you saying he’s worth >=8M annual or <=4.5M annual?

1. What do you think he’s worth to GB?
2. What do you think he signs for on the open market if that range is unacceptable?

I wouldn't pay Cobb more than 4 m a year and even then I'm not sure id want him. Hes just too nagging injury prone. Even if he can play through some of the injuries, there always seems to be something slowing him down. I'd far prefer a young explosive slot guy be drafted. A guy like marquise brown, penny Hart, Terry godwin, Terry mcclarin, Andy Isabella, kavonte turpin or even a big slot like aj brown

I think he'll probably get signed for 6/7 m a year by somebody. Or who knows I could see the patriots adding him for cheap if he doesn't have much interest.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I would give pick 12 for ODB. Definitely one of the best in the game and still young (26). Fastest player EVER to get to 5000 yards.

Beckham would also eat up $17 million of cap space for next season. With the Packers having an elite #1 receiver in Adams that money is better spend on a different position.

“That kind of money” doesn’t help. Are you saying he’s worth >=8M annual or <=4.5M annual?

1. What do you think he’s worth to GB?
2. What do you think he signs for on the open market if that range is unacceptable?

I'm not even sure I would like the Packers to re-sign Cobb if he takes a hometown discount as the team can't rely on him to stay on the field.

There's no reason to offer him $4.5 million per season though.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Beckham would also eat up $17 million of cap space for next season. With the Packers having an elite #1 receiver in Adams that money is better spend on a different position.

Obviously with how the cap is now there'd have to be some creative moves to get him, but it's not impossible. That could be an offense for the record books with both Adams and ODB.

But lets be real, this won't happen. The Giants wouldn't trade him to the Pats once they heavily expressed interest, so why would they keep him in the NFC?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Obviously with how the cap is now there'd have to be some creative moves to get him, but it's not impossible. That could be an offense for the record books with both Adams and ODB.

Beckham is under contract for another five seasons with his $16.75 million base salary fully guaranteed for the 2019 season. I don't believe he would be interested in renegotiating his current deal.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Carlos Hyde is expected to be cut. He's 28 and I really don't think he's gonna be that expensive. Having a decent RB to complement Jones might be nice. Hyde certainly isn't what he once was but I'm just throwing it out there for those that don't want Jones to be a full-time guy and there's no way Hyde is costing that much at this point in his career.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Beckham would also eat up $17 million of cap space for next season. With the Packers having an elite #1 receiver in Adams that money is better spend on a different position.

While I agree that the money would be better spent elsewhere, I also tend to think that acquiring great players is better than not doing so. Who else would use that money on? Legitimately asking, because I do think that pretty much every spot on defense could better use that money but I don't think there's anyone available on defense that would be worth anything close to that. You might justify spreading that $17m around on various parts of the defense but I would be willing to bet that signing next year's equivalents of Wilkerson/Williams/random other $5m per year guy (however you want to split up that $17m) probably wouldn't be as impactful as having two top-10 WRs. I will generally err on the side of helping the defense (as I've stated, I believe having an elite QB is enough to help on offense on it's own) but I will almost always prefer having a truly elite player at one position to having 3-4 adequate players at other positions. Also worth pointing out that one of the main reasons that just acquiring the best available guys, regardless of need, is that injuries happen in the NFL; if Adams gets hurt the Packers are basically screwed....and before the "gotcha" police come out, I meant that within reason; obviously the team isn't going to sign an expensive, terrific backup for Rodgers since only one can be on the field at a time.

Even the best pass rushers that *might* be free agents (Lawrence, Ford, Clowney) probably wouldn't be worth that in annual salary. And, to be completely clear, Beckam's cap hit would actually be falling each year after 2019 (from 16.75m in 2019 to $13.75 in 2013).

 

[OldSchool101]

Beckham would also eat up $17 million of cap space for next season. With the Packers having an elite #1 receiver in Adams that money is better spend on a different position.



I'm not even sure I would like the Packers to re-sign Cobb if he takes a hometown discount as the team can't rely on him to stay on the field.

There's no reason to offer him $4.5 million per season though.

Interesting. that’s an area I think we’d be very eager in resigning him for 1-2 years

Who knows though, they let Jordy walk and I think he would’ve resigned in that area.
I think we either go in a different direction altogether as with Jordy.. or.. he gets resigned at or above 5M annual. Me personally, Id keep him on a 2yr with an easy out in 2020. That would allow us to wait a little deeper in the draft (say 3rd-.4th round etc..) to grab 1 more WR and allow us to walk away with minimal dead cap next year if needed.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Beckham is under contract for another five seasons with his $16.75 million base salary fully guaranteed for the 2019 season. I don't believe he would be interested in renegotiating his current deal.

The creativity would have to be with respect to players we already have under contract - cutting vets, asking for negotiated contracts, etc. to make things fit. There's absolutely no way ODB would renegotiate a cap friendly deal knowing what I do about his personality.

 

[Dantés]

A few thoughts on FA for the Packers generally...

While there is always a chance with Rodgers at quarterback, I think it's more realistic that the Packers may (if things go well) get back into real SB contention in years 2-5 with Petals, rather than year 1. I think PO's is a realistic possibility if it turns out the HC hire was a good one, but a SB is probably not within reach right away with this roster.

So, with that in mind, I think the Packers need to be thinking hard about 2020-23 in their FA decisions. That doesn't mean that they don't spend money, but cap rollover is most likely more helpful in the long term than a one year deal to a veteran. They should also avoid 29+ year old players who could likely be declining as the window would open. And 1 year deals for older guys are likely pointless. Young players on 3+ year contracts are what's best for the Packers right now.

I also think they're more likely to benefit from spending the same amount of money on fewer, better players and supplementing with rookies (even if that means growing pains) than checking off three needs with the same amount of money spent on less veterans.

A blue or red chip FA addition who is young is much more likely to still be making big contributions in 2-5 seasons than discount veterans who simply fill needs for a year (unless you're talking about a young FA who is discounted because he hasn't fulfilled his potential yet-- i.e. a dart throw).

So a guy like Adrian Amos is a better fit for the Packers than Earl Thomas, despite the latter being the better player.

Shaq Barrett is a better fit for the Packers than Justin Houston, despite the latter being the better player.

And signing a guy like Landon Collins and filling in WR and G with rookies, who may have growing pains in 2019, helps more in the long run than spending that same money on, say, Tre Boston, Cole Beasley, and Mike Person.

 

[Mondio]

that's kind of my take too, if they're going to invest in FA and big dollars, it better be someone that is young and they're in it for the haul, not this year.

 

[OldSchool101]

I still believe it helps to have a balance of experience in each position group. If you have have 6 WRs you ideally want 3-4 in that 3+ years seasoned range to to offset the rooks and 1yr guys. I think GB should’ve staggered better with the WR rooks as an example. Instead of focusing on a 1-2 rookie WRs at a time, we were spreading the ball around too thin. It looked like WR tryouts most weeks of the regular season and it showed in the results.
We never gained cohesiveness and it reminded me of when road crews shut down 15 miles of HWY but never have more than a 1/4 mile stretch active in repair. Talk about disfunctional and disruptive, not to mention compromising safety across both sides of the equation.


I believe overlapping contracts is generally better for a smoother transition. That generally means an array of tenure (outside FA or incumbent) across positions and through depth. Not having 3 players with 12+ years and 50 players under 4 years experience (I’m being dramatic here.. or am I?)

On the contrary, we’ve seen what being “young” lately has accomplished and I’m not fond of that plan whatsoever. We need more intermediate range experience (3-7 years accrued) and less 1-2 years or 12+ experience (the exception would be QB, K etc..) Off the cuff I’m going to say the peak of the bulk of athletes careers are in that 3-7 year accrued range. Maybe someone can prove me wrong on this concept? I’m shooting from the hip and I’m happy to see the proof if that’s just way off base

Guys like Landon Collins are more ideal than Tramon Williams types. There are always a few Larry Fitzgerald or Peppers exceptions but by and large it seems to hold true to find balance.

 

[Mondio]

having an 8 year and 3rd year pro sitting on the sideline or in training room all year put 2 rookies on the field last year. It wasn't the plan to field an all rookie team. Adams, Cobb, Gmo are the 3 WR's that fill your own stated criteria.

But lots of poor decisions, bad luck etc created that situation. This team has been very good with replenishing passing targets over the years but losing some guys and then having Randall and Rollins flame out here really set us back. I think WR's are easier to find than DB's and when all that was going down, we had Jordy, Cobb, Adams etc and they started reaching to try and get that group there one more time.

But that was then, this is now. We're not far off, and I don't think we should be reaching now to fill spots either. and young FA's are 4 years in. they're just about to hit the prime of their careers. I don't think this team is good enough to sign a FA to put them over the top. Sure it could happen, but it would take a lot of luck in other areas or things just going the best that possibly could. But we have some guys that will need to be signed ourselves in a year or so, and we have some positions that still need a guy or a year of development for the guy there.

If we're going to spend money, it needs to be on people that are still going to be here in year 2,3,4,5. If we make the right picks this draft, i think we did well in the last one, but do it again and we're probably playoffs this year and then poised for a 2,3, 4 year run of legitimate shots at the Super Bowl again. a guy like Jimmy Graham isn't even going to be here when it matters for us and I'd rather not sign aging vets at this point. Maybe next year, sure, it might matter, but at this point they just cost money.

 

[Dantés]

I still believe it helps to have a balance of experience in each position group. If you have have 6 WRs you ideally want 3-4 in that 3+ years seasoned range to to offset the rooks and 1yr guys. I think GB should’ve staggered better with the WR rooks as an example. Instead of focusing on a 1-2 rookie WRs at a time, we were spreading the ball around too thin. It looked like WR tryouts most weeks of the regular season and it showed in the results.
We never gained cohesiveness and it reminded me of when road crews shut down 15 miles of HWY but never have more than a 1/4 mile stretch active in repair. Talk about disfunctional and disruptive, not to mention compromising safety across both sides of the equation.


I believe overlapping contracts is generally better for a smoother transition. That generally means an array of tenure (outside FA or incumbent) across positions and through depth. Not having 3 players with 12+ years and 50 players under 4 years experience (I’m being dramatic here.. or am I?)

On the contrary, we’ve seen what being “young” lately has accomplished and I’m not fond of that plan whatsoever. We need more intermediate range experience (3-7 years accrued) and less 1-2 years or 12+ experience (the exception would be QB, K etc..) Off the cuff I’m going to say the peak of the bulk of athletes careers are in that 3-7 year accrued range. Maybe someone can prove me wrong on this concept? I’m shooting from the hip and I’m happy to see the proof if that’s just way off base

Guys like Landon Collins are more ideal than Tramon Williams types. There are always a few Larry Fitzgerald or Peppers exceptions but by and large it seems to hold true to find balance.

I agree with you that it's best to balance youth and experience. But my point is that when targeting experience, you need to think about when you realistically have a shot at winning. I'm all for signing veterans, but they need to target veterans whose career trajectory would coincide with a plan that has the team peaking in 2020-22 (Rodgers' aged 36-38 seasons).

A one year deal for 2019 probably doesn't end up helping unless Petals absolutely takes the league by storm in year one (unlikely, even if he was a great hire). A 29+ YO veteran probably doesn't help much as they will be entering the decline phase of the career when that 2020-22 window is open. You want veterans who will be in their prime during those seasons.

 

[tynimiller]

I am right there on board with Dantes post about realistic expectations for a SB is not 2019, but 2020-2022. Am I writing us off for 2019, absolutely not! With AR, motivated coach, crazy growth occurring at the skill positions anything could happen but the realistic fan in me says 2020 is the big push year more so.

Few thoughts streaming from my mind:


RESIGNING THOUGHTS:

-I think one FA folks seem to breeze over is Breeland. Arguably to me there has not been a player more than Breeland whom has come into FA's off our roster that I've desired we resign more. The impact he could potentially have is incredible IMO. Jaire LOVES the man, he delivered exceedingly well when he did play last year...and he is a mere 26 years old...if King keeps struggling health wise, Breeland could become the second fist in the one-two punch at CB with Jaire we hoped King would be. To me of the entire list of FA's hitting the market this year from GB's roster he should be the #1 to re-sign.

-Cobb/Matthews/Tramon thank you, it sucks to see you all go (Tramon for the second time) but simply not worth investment cap hit the three take.

-Jake Ryan, I feel is going to be re-signable at a more than efficient rate for return on investment. Lunch pale type guy IMO is worth it. Poor man's Hawk is welcome here IMO as I think price will be right....not too mention I prefer to not have MLB be a position we press for in FA or draft this year with other more glaring needs IMO out there (OLB, DL, OL are my tops)

-While the dream of having Adams opposite the likes of Antonio Brown is amazing to consider...let's live in reality. GMo has shown tremendous relationship with AR & will be quite affordable for what he was on pace last year before injury. Between him and the surge of some of the youngsters I feel in house would be the best place to find our legit #2 (or possibly draft if true stud drops to us) and is a way to not blow the bank on a position AR already makes better and truly have a bonafide STUD in Adams already. *I do mention a FA or two below I'd consider giving a look at.

-Kentrell Brice is a re-sign IMO not for that stud starter but that solid back up with experience and familiarity. Worth resign and I think will be cheap enough to do.

-One of Kendricks or Lewis we should re-sign. The immense cap hit Jimmy will have on us, limits our spending power in FA IMO for a TE...I lean to Marcedes for what he offers that Graham and most draftees can't: solid in the blocking part of the game.

OUTSIDE THOUGHTS:

-While I feel Williams is a solid option behind Jones and is motivated, I wouldn't be opposed if someone like Carlos Hyde or another veteran but under 30 RB is out there that we target. Aaron Jones is by far our biggest upside and weapon at RB...but I'd love to not have to work him to death.

-Luke Stocker at TE. This dude is a special teams and blocking stud. He is a LaFleur experienced guy and one that won't garner a ton of attention in FAs I suspect as he isn't a receiving threat most teams look for first...but that isn't the role we'd desire him to do....if we grab him, can you imagine a big double TE option for running games out with him and Marcedes both in should we choose to sign both?

-Another wildcard but familiar TE name I think will get consideration is Jared Cook. We all know Aaron loved having him and wasn't happy when GB didn't try to get him back...not give AR a WR in FA could play out with GB giving AR the next best thing a familiar still capable TE he meshed extremely well with at times.

-Big Names I feel GB wouldn't be wrong for researching and analyzing budget wise if possible is Landon Collins as the need at Safety is real, and his age means could shore up long term a spot now vacated with Ha-Ha trade and IMO is an upgrade over Dix, despite being a Ha-Ha fan myself. The other big name I wouldn't be upset with if money works is Anthony Barr, young with extremely high ceiling!

-Tre Boston however is a name I feel may get real S consideration from us and will be more affordable of an option over aforementioned Landon Collins...be better than holding Tramon at safety or trying to shift a CB of ours like Tony Brown that fits the bill quite well but is still young and raw.

-IF we decide to play in the WR pool...the only "big name" is Adam Humphries. Fan of his and feel his youth and upside could pay dividends...rather curious as to just how expensive he'll be but who knows. Also wouldn't be shocked depending on what Golden Tate would take that we don't consider that if cost is right.


Overall, I don't sense we will throw the entire checkbook at something like Laveon or even Barr (I suspect is going to take a TON), but I suspect we will be aggressive in filling out roster in FA more than we sometimes have part out of need but also aggressive and energized timing of everything. Just quick thoughts..not fleshed out well but out there nontheless.

 

[sschind]

I agree with you that it's best to balance youth and experience. But my point is that when targeting experience, you need to think about when you realistically have a shot at winning. I'm all for signing veterans, but they need to target veterans whose career trajectory would coincide with a plan that has the team peaking in 2020-22 (Rodgers' aged 36-38 seasons).

A one year deal for 2019 probably doesn't end up helping unless Petals absolutely takes the league by storm in year one (unlikely, even if he was a great hire). A 29+ YO veteran probably doesn't help much as they will be entering the decline phase of the career when that 2020-22 window is open. You want veterans who will be in their prime during those seasons.

Does that Include your own guys because If we are of the opinion that Bulaga and Graham and Perry won't be around in 2 years why not get rid of them now and get their young replacements in place and start grooming them so that when they are gone and we are ready yo make a serious push we are not looking at rookies in their spots.

 

[Dantés]

Does that Include your own guys because If we are of the opinion that Bulaga and Graham and Perry won't be around in 2 years why not get rid of them now and get their young replacements in place and start grooming them so that when they are gone and we are ready yo make a serious push we are not looking at rookies in their spots.

If it was just me, I'd cut Perry and Graham now and bite the dead money bullet. Bulaga, probably not. You can keep him and still draft his replacement as high as #12. And if the replacement doesn't work out or isn't ready in year one, you want Bulaga there to protect Rodgers. Getting the 33M$ man killed just to save Bulaga's last cap hit wouldn't make sense.

 

[tynimiller]

Curious...I love the guy but what is the situation of cutting Crosby as far as dead money and savings for 2019...? I'm of the opinion we need to find the Kicker of future.

 

[Dantés]

Curious...I love the guy but what is the situation of cutting Crosby as far as dead money and savings for 2019...? I'm of the opinion we need to find the Kicker of future.

It would save 3.6M against the cap, and they should absolutely do it. Crosby is not a high end kicker.

 

[tynimiller]

Another hard decision GB could consider at big risk is Mike Daniels situation? If we have no plans for resigning after this last year of his contract is it worth trading OR cutting ties now to save money to have more money if there is a FA organization is dead set grabbing....very hard call IMO, as I think Mike is impossible to replace on his best days IMO by any rookie drafted.

 

[Dantés]

I am right there on board with Dantes post about realistic expectations for a SB is not 2019, but 2020-2022. Am I writing us off for 2019, absolutely not! With AR, motivated coach, crazy growth occurring at the skill positions anything could happen but the realistic fan in me says 2020 is the big push year more so.

Few thoughts streaming from my mind:


RESIGNING THOUGHTS:

-I think one FA folks seem to breeze over is Breeland. Arguably to me there has not been a player more than Breeland whom has come into FA's off our roster that I've desired we resign more. The impact he could potentially have is incredible IMO. Jaire LOVES the man, he delivered exceedingly well when he did play last year...and he is a mere 26 years old...if King keeps struggling health wise, Breeland could become the second fist in the one-two punch at CB with Jaire we hoped King would be. To me of the entire list of FA's hitting the market this year from GB's roster he should be the #1 to re-sign.

-Cobb/Matthews/Tramon thank you, it sucks to see you all go (Tramon for the second time) but simply not worth investment cap hit the three take.

-Jake Ryan, I feel is going to be re-signable at a more than efficient rate for return on investment. Lunch pale type guy IMO is worth it. Poor man's Hawk is welcome here IMO as I think price will be right....not too mention I prefer to not have MLB be a position we press for in FA or draft this year with other more glaring needs IMO out there (OLB, DL, OL are my tops)

-While the dream of having Adams opposite the likes of Antonio Brown is amazing to consider...let's live in reality. GMo has shown tremendous relationship with AR & will be quite affordable for what he was on pace last year before injury. Between him and the surge of some of the youngsters I feel in house would be the best place to find our legit #2 (or possibly draft if true stud drops to us) and is a way to not blow the bank on a position AR already makes better and truly have a bonafide STUD in Adams already. *I do mention a FA or two below I'd consider giving a look at.

-Kentrell Brice is a re-sign IMO not for that stud starter but that solid back up with experience and familiarity. Worth resign and I think will be cheap enough to do.

-One of Kendricks or Lewis we should re-sign. The immense cap hit Jimmy will have on us, limits our spending power in FA IMO for a TE...I lean to Marcedes for what he offers that Graham and most draftees can't: solid in the blocking part of the game.

OUTSIDE THOUGHTS:

-While I feel Williams is a solid option behind Jones and is motivated, I wouldn't be opposed if someone like Carlos Hyde or another veteran but under 30 RB is out there that we target. Aaron Jones is by far our biggest upside and weapon at RB...but I'd love to not have to work him to death.

-Luke Stocker at TE. This dude is a special teams and blocking stud. He is a LaFleur experienced guy and one that won't garner a ton of attention in FAs I suspect as he isn't a receiving threat most teams look for first...but that isn't the role we'd desire him to do....if we grab him, can you imagine a big double TE option for running games out with him and Marcedes both in should we choose to sign both?

-Another wildcard but familiar TE name I think will get consideration is Jared Cook. We all know Aaron loved having him and wasn't happy when GB didn't try to get him back...not give AR a WR in FA could play out with GB giving AR the next best thing a familiar still capable TE he meshed extremely well with at times.

-Big Names I feel GB wouldn't be wrong for researching and analyzing budget wise if possible is Landon Collins as the need at Safety is real, and his age means could shore up long term a spot now vacated with Ha-Ha trade and IMO is an upgrade over Dix, despite being a Ha-Ha fan myself. The other big name I wouldn't be upset with if money works is Anthony Barr, young with extremely high ceiling!

-Tre Boston however is a name I feel may get real S consideration from us and will be more affordable of an option over aforementioned Landon Collins...be better than holding Tramon at safety or trying to shift a CB of ours like Tony Brown that fits the bill quite well but is still young and raw.

-IF we decide to play in the WR pool...the only "big name" is Adam Humphries. Fan of his and feel his youth and upside could pay dividends...rather curious as to just how expensive he'll be but who knows. Also wouldn't be shocked depending on what Golden Tate would take that we don't consider that if cost is right.


Overall, I don't sense we will throw the entire checkbook at something like Laveon or even Barr (I suspect is going to take a TON), but I suspect we will be aggressive in filling out roster in FA more than we sometimes have part out of need but also aggressive and energized timing of everything. Just quick thoughts..not fleshed out well but out there nontheless.

I would really like Breeland back, but the demand for good corners outstrips supply. After he lost out on his big pay day last offseason, I would expect he would go to the highest bidder. So basically, I think he ends up being overpaid. I think he's a 3rd CB who will get paid like a good #2.

It would make sense to bring Ryan back into camp on a deal without guarantees and let him compete for the backup MIKE role with Morrison and a rookie. I'm not 100% sold that he would end up making the roster, but he might if he's fully recovered.

I agree with your takes on Allison and Brice as well. At TE, I would let both Kendricks and Lewis walk. If they're going to pay a veteran auxiliary TE, I think there are much better options out there.