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Egbuka is an intriguing prospect. I watched Ohio State a fair amount this past season and he was hit or miss. Some games he barely saw the ball and in others he was a first down machine. As good as he is, Egbuka was WR#2 on the team. I think part of his problem was play calling. I see him as a very polished route runner. The combine will be interesting to see his 40 speed but I wouldn't complain if he was the 2025 first round pick at this point.
 
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As I've been fleshing out my Edge rankings and reviewing more of them, I'm actually coming more and more in line with thinking this class is so deep and with the OL class being a little more shallow than in years past...I know it wouldn't be the **** pick or the pick that a lot GB fans would embrace that don't understand trenches win games but OL I would say needs to be back on the table...

Tackles are EXPENSIVE to pay and Rasheed Walker has been a starting LT in the game for a while for us and is going to demand to be paid like a multi-year starting LT....I believe we are best to only pay Tom an extension and try to replace Rhyan and Walker this draft or next proactively.

That would put these back on the table these four:

Armand Membou OL 18.25 - Armand has lived at RT and has excelled there, he's actually one of my favorite pure RTs and if we didn't have Tom I'd say is a draft and plug Day1 guy...he is a little shorter and I could see him be an elite RG prospect and Gute might nab him for the 2026 season and immediately have the ability to let Rhyan walk...shoot he could beat out Sean Rhyan in year 1....we all know Morgan was splitting time till shoulder had issues flare up.

Tyler Booker OL 25.00 - Booker is a guard through and through which is rare for Gute to target. He really likes those tackles switching to guard or guards with center play so I actually would say Booker isn't someone he's picking Day1.

Josh Conerly Jr. OL 27.5 - Conerly has been red circled as a Gute type guy for me and Day1 prospect since October or so. He could start for us at LT year 1 if needed, but again any high level OL prospect is likely battling and allowing Gute to look to the future....imagine a world where Gute swings Rasheed Walker in a trade to a team hungry for a LT because we have the luxury of say Conerly and Morgan both being capable and ready...


Grey Zabel OL 36.75 - Zabel is a guy with immense playability across the board and even showcased ability at center in Mobile for the Senior Bowl. Many have Zabel pegged as the one who made the most money at the Senior Bowl. IF you hear GB call his name my hunch is they hope he comes in illustrates a capability to run center for us and keep Jenkins right at home where he is....if not Jenkins will be the center with Morgan and Zabel likely battling for LG this year. Zabel


Guys I know for a fact OL is a primary thought process in this draft for GB, BUT only if a guy they like is there. Unless something unforeseen happens I think that means we love what Rasheed has been but do not see him as big LT extension worthy and that really has me thinking if Conerly, Zabel (arms may have us viewing as a guard) or Membou if GB feels his footwork can translate to LT (or if they see Tom as that answer) all as valid Day1 options.

Ersery from Minnesota is another higher level OT with nothing but LT experience that Gute and Co could really like.
 

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@tynimiller I'm watching the combine and James Pearce looks fantastic. Unfortunately, he seems to be on the lighter side for the Packers to take a shot at him. What are your thoughts?
 

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Combine in the rearview, I'm projecting that the following are off the board before #23:

2 QB (Ward, Sanders)
1 RB (Jeanty)
2 TE (Warren, Loveland)
1 WR (McMillan)
3 OL (Campbell, Membou, Banks)
2 iDL (Graham, Nolen)
4 ED (Carter, Stewart, Williams, Green)
3 DB (Hunter, Johnson, Barron)

That's 18 guys. Here would be my board for the Packers among the remaining options:

Matthew Golden, WR, Texas
Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon
Josh Simmons, OT, Ohio State
Luther Burden, WR, Missouri
Donovan Ezeiruaku, DE, Boston College
 
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Combine in the rearview, I'm projecting that the following are off the board before #23:

2 QB (Ward, Sanders)
1 RB (Jeanty)
2 TE (Warren, Loveland)
1 WR (McMillan)
3 OL (Campbell, Membou, Banks)
2 iDL (Graham, Nolen)
4 ED (Carter, Stewart, Williams, Green)
3 DB (Hunter, Johnson, Barron)

That's 18 guys. Here would be my board for the Packers among the remaining options:

Matthew Golden, WR, Texas
Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon
Josh Simmons, OT, Ohio State
Luther Burden, WR, Missouri
Donovan Ezeiruaku, DE, Boston College

I love everything about Golden except in games his separation skillset just isn't what it should be IMO. That boy can fly though.
 

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I love everything about Golden except in games his separation skillset just isn't what it should be IMO. That boy can fly though.

I think his separation looked worse that it was because Ewers was bad at getting him the ball on time.
 
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Thanks for the information Tyni. I’m having a hard time making projections because I’m fairly confident Gutey is about to make a splash in FA. Maybe not 2018 4 players like, but I think we acquire at minimum 1-2 high level players (call it Bonafide Starters or $15Mil++ yearly types). Once those FA Dominos fall (depending on availability) in the next couple of calendar weeks (and they will) I’ll be much more comfortable projecting which guys we might draft.
I will offer OL, Donovan Jackson was projected to declare last year. I want to say he was later Day2 just going off memory? Anyway I noticed he’s back in the mix this draft. He’s a consensus earlier Day 2 prospect now. Although he’s too early at #23 and likely gone earlier RD2. He’s going to be really good.

My hunch is we either go CB or DL.
If we steal a CB like Byron Murphy by outbidding MN a few million a season? In pretty sure we go DL in some capacity. Mainly because several players cross our selection on the board and it’s a deep DL class in the top half of the draft for other teams. It’s also an area of primary concern with TJ’s contract expiring. Either we look to FA for an answer or we draft at DL early.

I’ll just go a Longhorn for now. This kid is special and I think he fits perfectly what we need. If we can’t steal Byron Murphy in FA, I think this is our ideal answer. Here’s a kid that’s a strong Faith based individual and that part resembles my upbringing. Add he’s got Cooper DeJean versatility. Character, Faith, Versatility, Measurables, Intelligence. He checks all the boxes. He would be an absolute gift to Hafley.
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Not that the "pro's" mocks are carved in stone, but I heard on the radio today Mel Kiper was saying he's penciling in Maxwell Hairston (CB, Kentucky) to us at #23. A few other guys have him going our way too here and there. He had a great combine (I think fastest 40 time) and stock is really shooting up. But I think he is also undersized for our "typical" thresholds at CB.
 
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Not that the "pro's" mocks are carved in stone, but I heard on the radio today Mel Kiper was saying he's penciling in Maxwell Hairston (CB, Kentucky) to us at #23. A few other guys have him going our way too here and there. He had a great combine (I think fastest 40 time) and stock is really shooting up. But I think he is also undersized for our "typical" thresholds at CB.

He would be a massive break from pattern and types dating back to Terrell buckley
 

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Combine in the rearview, I'm projecting that the following are off the board before #23:

2 QB (Ward, Sanders)
1 RB (Jeanty)
2 TE (Warren, Loveland)
1 WR (McMillan)
3 OL (Campbell, Membou, Banks)
2 iDL (Graham, Nolen)
4 ED (Carter, Stewart, Williams, Green)
3 DB (Hunter, Johnson, Barron)

That's 18 guys. Here would be my board for the Packers among the remaining options:

Matthew Golden, WR, Texas
Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon
Josh Simmons, OT, Ohio State
Luther Burden, WR, Missouri
Donovan Ezeiruaku, DE, Boston College
Eesh. I sure hope we don't take a WR with our 1st pick, unless it's in the 2nd round. I want to see DL and CB early for us.
 

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I agree but that receiver from Ohio State sure sounds interesting. And the Alabama linebacker would help both pass rush and run/pass.
 

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Living in Wisconsin maybe I've watched too many Big 10 games but if Kenny Grant is available at #23, you sprint to the podium to draft him. One Kenny, I this case Kenny Grant could replace the other Kenny, the declining Kenny Clark.
 

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Not that the "pro's" mocks are carved in stone, but I heard on the radio today Mel Kiper was saying he's penciling in Maxwell Hairston (CB, Kentucky) to us at #23. A few other guys have him going our way too here and there. He had a great combine (I think fastest 40 time) and stock is really shooting up. But I think he is also undersized for our "typical" thresholds at CB.
Really? Wow! I would be thrilled! We finally have someone I know about and can talk about!!

I live in Kentucky, and have seen him play a lot. This idea immediately takes me back to 7 or 8 years ago, when my favorite CB in the draft was drafted #18 in the first round by the Packers. I was so excited!

I loved Jaire, and I love this kid. Everybody loves him down here; he's a quality kid. Team captain.

Not just fast, but quick - terrific acceleration and burst. Great footwork. Reads pass plays very well, anticipates routes, picks off a lot of balls; good football IQ. Great at anticipating immediately where the ball is going. I believe he holds the school record for pick-sixes, and either holds or is close to a lot of other school records. Don't quote me on that; I may be remembering wrong.

He's a playmaker. You watch a Wildcat game, you hear his name so often you're going to think there are 2 or 3 guys named Hairston out there. I'm not trying to make him sound like Deion Sanders, but down here in Kentucky, he makes a lot of noise.

You're right about his size, but it's not a problem with his height - I think he's like 6'1", with long arms. Steals a lot of balls from the WRs because by the time the ball gets within catching distance for them, he's already caught it..

The trouble is, his frame is light. He plays at about 185 I guess, and I suppose he could bulk up to the mid-190s. Which would be about Eric Stokes/Nate Hobbs-sized, and about the same weight as Jaire or Nixon, but taller than those 2, and he's really got a slender build. Even if he added 10 pounds, I think he's still the kind of guy who plays "light" - he struggles at the college level to physically handle larger WRs, and I don't know how well he could adjust to NFL-sized receivers. He's just not someone who plays "strong".

He struggles in run support already at the college level, and frankly tackling, period, is one of his weakest points. Even at the college level, he does not look like a physical player; often seems overmatched physically. He's not afraid of contact, but he's just not the kind of kid who goes hunting for people to drill.

He might replace Jaire as the outside corner, but I don't think he could do it as a rookie. He wears down as the snaps add up; he really needs to get stronger and develop more stamina. Does not seem to hold up as well as a lot of other 185-lb corners do as the game goes on, and I think I've noticed that his tackling and just general athleticism sort of peter out in the 4th quarter.

And that's probably the one weak point that you're not going to "coach" out of him. An NFL strength coach can probably bulk up his upper body, and an NFL program can coach up stamina, but watching him play, I just don't see a tough, hard-hitting kid who likes to bring the wood. You can't expect 30-35 snaps a game out of him.

I guess as I think of it, my biggest concern that replacing Jaire with "Mad Max" would just be replacing Jaire with a brand new Jaire. A guy who is likely to get hurt more than most CBs by NFL-level contact. He missed 4, maybe 5 games last season with a shoulder injury, and it kind of raises questions about how his shoulders will be able to stand up to NFL tackles.
 

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My gut tells me TJ Slaton will be gone. With that in mind, I'm in the draft Kenneth Grant camp, with the 23rd pick. Being a Michigan fan, my heart wants to also see him in Green and Gold.
Does anyone know what Cincy is paying Slayton?
 

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Combine in the rearview, I'm projecting that the following are off the board before #23:

2 QB (Ward, Sanders)
1 RB (Jeanty)
2 TE (Warren, Loveland)
1 WR (McMillan)
3 OL (Campbell, Membou, Banks)
2 iDL (Graham, Nolen)
4 ED (Carter, Stewart, Williams, Green)
3 DB (Hunter, Johnson, Barron)

That's 18 guys. Here would be my board for the Packers among the remaining options:

Matthew Golden, WR, Texas
Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon
Josh Simmons, OT, Ohio State
Luther Burden, WR, Missouri
Donovan Ezeiruaku, DE, Boston College
Have these lists changed at all Dante's? What say you Tyni? Pearce is not on either list.
 

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Mel Kiper's final mock drafts for the Packers in recent years:
2020 - Cole Kmet, TE, Notre Dame
2021 - WR Rashod Bateman, Minnesota
2022 - Kenyon Green, OL, Texas A&M
2023 - Darnell Wright, OT, Tennessee
2024 - Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia
2025 - Azareye’h Thomas, CB, Florida State (according to the last mock draft that I see online from Feb 25th)

As usual, I would never get too excited about anybody that gets "predicted" to go to the Packers.
 
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Living in Wisconsin maybe I've watched too many Big 10 games but if Kenny Grant is available at #23, you sprint to the podium to draft him. One Kenny, I this case Kenny Grant could replace the other Kenny, the declining Kenny Clark.
Great prospect. As long as we find the best player value. Derrick Harmon intrigues me. I think he’s a great all around player who can play all Downs. He graded 90% against the pass rush but he’s also versatile in different packages and was very impactful for the Ducks.
Kiper has him at #19 overall and consensus is late Rd1. Safe player at #23
 
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Have these lists changed at all Dante's? What say you Tyni? Pearce is not on either list.

I'm actually revisiting and refining now just my top 125 ranked prospects to lock in my guys and rankings. Pearce to me is a guy the ONLY way he makes it to us is character issues....and honestly if he is there at 23 I'd hope Gute would call up Philly and say do you want another character flyer? Football player wise we'd have to draft him IMO.
 

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Here are some guys who could be in the first round discussion that I'm conflicted about:

1. Luther Burden, WR, Missouri: The Burden discourse reminds me so much of the discussions around Justin Jefferson coming out of LSU. Jefferson was polarizing because some people focused on what he did while others imagined what he could do. He was basically a big slot in college with a free release and a lot of manufactured production, but in the league he has taken his high level athleticism and applied it in many, many more impactful ways. The uncertainty is why he ended up going #22.

Burden is similar. Some look at him and just see what he was doing for Missouri and aren't that impressed-- lots and lots of manufactured touches. Others look at his movement skills and flashes and imagine what he could be. Burden is built like a Packer and he ran like one at the combine. I go back and forth with him a lot.

2. Offensive Line (Josh Simmons, Josh Conerly, Donovan Jackson, etc.): The entire OL is difficult for me to judge, not because of the prospects themselves, but because of the uncertainty of the position on the Packers' roster. Tom, Walker, and Rhyan are a season away from free agency. I'm 100% confident that they will extend Tom, but the other two are questions in my mind-- will they keep one or both or neither? If one, which one? Then you add Morgan into the discussion-- where do they want him playing? Is RG his future home? Did he only play there because that was the most pressing need and long-term they see him at tackle? And the cherry on top is that Jenkins turns 30 this season and next year he has a big cap hit that they can easily get out of. Given how many players hit free agency next off-season, cutting him is a real possibility.

So all of that leads me to this place where I don't know how badly they feel the need for offensive line AND I don't know what position they would prioritize.

3. Defensive Tackle (Grant, Nolen, Harmon, Williams): This is another spot where my uncertainty stems from not knowing what the Packers plan to do.

Question #1: Do they want to continue developing Wyatt, Brooks, and Wooden at 3T and just focus on the position next to them?

Question #2: Will they ask Clark to major as the 1T? Are they planning to release him next season or ride it out for one more year?

Question #3: If they're primarily focused on the 1T, what type of guy do they want? Do they like the idea of a Vita Vea/Jordan Davis type and so will be interested in Kenneth Grant? Are they more enamored with the Deforest Buckner/Arik Armstead guys and so will go after Derrick Harmon? Or do they like someone more in the mold of Javon Hargrave so they will look to Tyleik Williams? I honestly don't know.

4. Donovan Ezeiruaku, DE, Boston College: Ezeiruaku is my favorite prospect in the class, so I don't have questions about him as a player, but I do wonder if they would be interested. He doesn't really fit the mold of what they target on the edge. But that also makes him a good complement to what they already have. Normally, I would rule him out as a likely option, but I recall after the Jets drafted Will McDonald that there were rumors that he was high on the Packers' board and they might have taken him, given the option. Ezeiruaku is very similar.
 
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Here are some guys who could be in the first round discussion that I'm conflicted about:

1. Luther Burden, WR, Missouri: The Burden discourse reminds me so much of the discussions around Justin Jefferson coming out of LSU. Jefferson was polarizing because some people focused on what he did while others imagined what he could do. He was basically a big slot in college with a free release and a lot of manufactured production, but in the league he has taken his high level athleticism and applied it in many, many more impactful ways. The uncertainty is why he ended up going #22.

Burden is similar. Some look at him and just see what he was doing for Missouri and aren't that impressed-- lots and lots of manufactured touches. Others look at his movement skills and flashes and imagine what he could be. Burden is built like a Packer and he ran like one at the combine. I go back and forth with him a lot.

2. Offensive Line (Josh Simmons, Josh Conerly, Donovan Jackson, etc.): The entire OL is difficult for me to judge, not because of the prospects themselves, but because of the uncertainty of the position on the Packers' roster. Tom, Walker, and Rhyan are a season away from free agency. I'm 100% confident that they will extend Tom, but the other two are questions in my mind-- will they keep one or both or neither? If one, which one? Then you add Morgan into the discussion-- where do they want him playing? Is RG his future home? Did he only play there because that was the most pressing need and long-term they see him at tackle? And the cherry on top is that Jenkins turns 30 this season and next year he has a big cap hit that they can easily get out of. Given how many players hit free agency next off-season, cutting him is a real possibility.

So all of that leads me to this place where I don't know how badly they feel the need for offensive line AND I don't know what position they would prioritize.

3. Defensive Tackle (Grant, Nolen, Harmon, Williams): This is another spot where my uncertainty stems from not knowing what the Packers plan to do.

Question #1: Do they want to continue developing Wyatt, Brooks, and Wooden at 3T and just focus on the position next to them?

Question #2: Will they ask Clark to major as the 1T? Are they planning to release him next season or ride it out for one more year?

Question #3: If they're primarily focused on the 1T, what type of guy do they want? Do they like the idea of a Vita Vea/Jordan Davis type and so will be interested in Kenneth Grant? Are they more enamored with the Deforest Buckner/Arik Armstead guys and so will go after Derrick Harmon? Or do they like someone more in the mold of Javon Hargrave so they will look to Tyleik Williams? I honestly don't know.

4. Donovan Ezeiruaku, DE, Boston College: Ezeiruaku is my favorite prospect in the class, so I don't have questions about him as a player, but I do wonder if they would be interested. He doesn't really fit the mold of what they target on the edge. But that also makes him a good complement to what they already have. Normally, I would rule him out as a likely option, but I recall after the Jets drafted Will McDonald that there were rumors that he was high on the Packers' board and they might have taken him, given the option. Ezeiruaku is very similar.

Conerly is my OT1...I know bullish but he is I would love to draft him and if we did I'd likely see if anyone needs Walker close to the trade deadline.
 

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Conerly is my OT1...I know bullish but he is I would love to draft him and if we did I'd likely see if anyone needs Walker close to the trade deadline.

Whoever does the stuff for those classic "Lindy's" magazines also has him as OT1.
 

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