Fire Capers

[easyk83]

If the defense doesnt show major improvement time to move on. Too much meh for the effort made.

 

[Sky King]

Great post, Sky King; I didn't notice it until I finished typing and posted mine, so we make a lot of the same points.
Another case of great minds think alike.

What was the milkman's name in your neighborhood?

 

[PackerDNA]

What was the milkman's name in your neighborhood?

Don't know, maybe we should get DNA tests, heh.
Like your avatar picture; it's driving me crazy though, since I can't place who they are and feel like I know them!

 

[PackerDNA]

Got to go for now, it's NCIS time. Great thread today, gang.

 

[Packerlover]

Who would the Packers hire in place of Capers??

 

[DaveRoller]

I don't think they should fire Coach Capers during mid season. But I think they should consider new options when the off season rolls around. The past 4 years have not been good for the defense and it may well be a combination of things. But ultimately, I think he might have a decent scheme in mind, but he either doesn't know how to communicate it well, or implement it well with the players he has. If the second is the case, then a wise coach would tailor his scheme to the players he has. He wouldn't try to fit square pegs in round holes. Coach McCarthy only fired Slocum after a terrible incident in an important game. He took too long. Many thought Slocum should have been gone long before that. Is that what is going to happen with Capers? Wait until his defense royally blows it in a most important game? I think Coach McCarthy shows extraordinary patience with his staff. Sometimes, I wonder if he tolerates too much and is afraid to lower the boom. I can't imagine Vince tolerating a defensive four year failure.

Agree with everything you said 100%, except, the way Capers defended Colin K in the playoffs in 2012 was him ALREADY blowing it big time.

 

[Carl]

Agree with everything you said 100%, except, the way Capers defended Colin K in the playoffs in 2012 was him ALREADY blowing it big time.

He must have told his OLBs to bite on all the fakes in that game...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

One thing nobody can deny, is that the Packers have been winners for the most part the last 20 years thanks to 2 HOF QB's. Without Favre or Rodgers, I think Wolf and TT's legacies may have just gone down as "average GM's. Imagine the Packers over the last 20 years with some of the QB's that other teams have had to play. I would say this applies more for TT, having a top notch QB has helped to hide and offset his hit or miss draft choices and his unwillingness to participate in Free Agency.

Blame it on luck or just a great eye for talent, but the Packers and their fans have been extremely lucky to have Favre and Rodgers running the show for the last 20+ years. Also should mention that having Holmgren and McCarthy has helped too

 

[Mondio]

and Bill was a loser before Brady. in case people forget, this is a team sport that takes the right pieces from top to bottom. Nobody does it alone. I prefer to avoid the brain or the butt arguments, because just when you think the brain is more important that ******** puckers up and the brain is full of **** before it knows it. All the pieces are important, it's just as easy to say that Rodgers may have been nothing but average or even slightly below without GB and MM.

Favre was playing like anything but a HOF QB when MM and Thompson got here. he was playing like a reckless QB that was putting us in losing situations more than he was winning and someone had him playing like it was 1996 again.

 

[Sky King]

Don't know, maybe we should get DNA tests, heh.
Like your avatar picture; it's driving me crazy though, since I can't place who they are and feel like I know them!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043232/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

 

[Patriotplayer90]

One thing nobody can deny, is that the Packers have been winners for the most part the last 20 years thanks to 2 HOF QB's. Without Favre or Rodgers, I think Wolf and TT's legacies may have just gone down as "average GM's. Imagine the Packers over the last 20 years with some of the QB's that other teams have had to play. I would say this applies more for TT, having a top notch QB has helped to hide and offset his hit or miss draft choices and his unwillingness to participate in Free Agency.

Blame it on luck or just a great eye for talent, but the Packers and their fans have been extremely lucky to have Favre and Rodgers running the show for the last 20+ years. Also should mention that having Holmgren and McCarthy has helped too

I'd say he was the only GM not dumb enough to pass on Rodgers. I can't say I could tell he would be the most efficient QB of all time, but I saw a star the minute I started watching a game of him at Cal. I knew nothing about the team or the players, but I immediately had to find out who he was. He absolutely blew my mind.

Alex Smith, on the other hand....meh

 

[Shawnsta3]

Who would the Packers hire in place of Capers??

Not sure if I'd want anybody in house. Trgovac, Whitt Jr.? No thanks. Winston Moss maybe? Though as assistant coach it is weird he hasn't gotten job offers elsewhere..

Anybody have a list of outside names?

 

[Shawnsta3]

I'll throw it out there; Dave Aranda

He was interviewed here last year when Montgomery got the job. He runs a 3-4 so no scheme change would be needed and UW has a historically good defense under him.

 

[longtimefan]

I'll throw it out there; Dave Aranda

He was interviewed here last year when Montgomery got the job. He runs a 3-4 so no scheme change would be needed and UW has a historically good defense under him.

I would want a collage coach that has been in the nfl coaching at some point

 

[Shawnsta3]

I would want a collage coach that has been in the nfl coaching at some point

Agreed. I've just been very impressed with Aranda's work at UW. And he would be a very welcome change of pace from Capers "wealth of NFL experience".

 

[yooperpackfan]

I'll throw it out there; Dave Aranda

He was interviewed here last year when Montgomery got the job. He runs a 3-4 so no scheme change would be needed and UW has a historically good defense under him.

But he has never been handicapped by Ted Thompson draft choices.

 

[PackerDNA]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043232/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Wow, what a blast from the past! Haven't seen that since I was a little kid.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I didn't miss any point, bolding doesn't make your point more valid. Someone said we almost made the super bowl because we signed peppers, I asked how that would have worked if we signed Byrd, a guy everyone wanted. You're right, injuries happen, kind of my point, speaking of missing it.

It´s possible the Packers would have reached the Super Bowl by signing Byrd instead of Peppers. No one really knows.

I still maintain that if our offensive line play returns to adequate like they have show previously and has inexplicably fallen far from that standard to the point they can't even block a normal front let alone pick up a blitz, we're as good as anyone.

I just watched some plays from last year´s game vs. the Patriots and it´s unbelieveable how much time Rodgers had to throw the ball on some occasions. There´s no doubt the offensive line has to drastically improve their performance.

I don't think they should fire Coach Capers during mid season. But I think they should consider new options when the off season rolls around. The past 4 years have not been good for the defense and it may well be a combination of things. But ultimately, I think he might have a decent scheme in mind, but he either doesn't know how to communicate it well, or implement it well with the players he has. If the second is the case, then a wise coach would tailor his scheme to the players he has. He wouldn't try to fit square pegs in round holes. Coach McCarthy only fired Slocum after a terrible incident in an important game. He took too long. Many thought Slocum should have been gone long before that. Is that what is going to happen with Capers? Wait until his defense royally blows it in a most important game? I think Coach McCarthy shows extraordinary patience with his staff. Sometimes, I wonder if he tolerates too much and is afraid to lower the boom.

I think that Capers has to make his scheme work with below average talent and that´s the main reason the defense has struggled since the start of the 2011 season. McCarthy probably holds on to him because he´s well aware the talent level on that side of the ball isn´t any better than the results.

Not sure if I'd want anybody in house. Trgovac, Whitt Jr.? No thanks. Winston Moss maybe? Though as assistant coach it is weird he hasn't gotten job offers elsewhere..

Anybody have a list of outside names?

If the Packers replace Capers afer this season I would prefer McCarthy to look outside the organization for a new defensive coordinator. I don´t have a list of available names but one guy I would be interested in is Rocky Seto (who´ll turn 40 in February) who was the passing game coordinator for the Seahawks for several season and is now associate head coach/defense for them now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just throwing his name in the hat (IF Capers is let go at some point). If Tampa Bay continues its season in the same fashion, I can see Lovie Smith being fired once again and being available to finally go back to what he had success at, a Defensive Coordinator. I realize Lovie utilized a 4-3 Cover 2 for the most part, so this would be a change in personnel.

Lovie might not be head coach material, but he is known for being a solid defensive mind.

Only way I see Capers gone is: 1. End of the season AND 2. Defense doesn't improve and costs us the season

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Just throwing his name in the hat (IF Capers is let go at some point). If Tampa Bay continues its season in the same fashion, I can see Lovie Smith being fired once again and being available to finally go back to what he had success at, a Defensive Coordinator. I realize Lovie utilized a 4-3 Cover 2 for the most part, so this would be a change in personnel.

Lovie might not be head coach material, but he is known for being a solid defensive mind.

I don´t see the Buccaneers firing Lovie after this season and I´m not sure I would like him to be the Packers DC either.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don´t see the Buccaneers firing Lovie after this season and I´m not sure I would like him to be the Packers DC either.

http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/11/11/9709016/should-the-buccaneers-fire-lovie-smith

No one knows what the Glazers will do, but it's difficult to see a scenario where they hang on to Lovie Smith if this team doesn't at least show the promise of improvement over the second half of the season

I've been reading rumblings like this all year and they may just be that, rumblings by media and fans. Is he a perfect fit for GB, probably not but the guy knows how to coach Defense (with the right personnel)

 

[7thFloorRA]

Is Dom done looking at the film yet? Maybe he will notice that he and his coaches did not give Jayrone Elliot a single defensive snap Sunday. Kinda weird that a healthy guy who has made some huge plays this year and is a pass rusher couldn't crack the lineup in a game where there was no pass rush and the D was getting run up and down the field.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I've been reading rumblings like this all year and they may just be that, rumblings by media and fans. Is he a perfect fit for GB, probably not but the guy knows how to coach Defense (with the right personnel)

I highly doubt the Packers have the right personnel though to be a top 10 defense no matter which coordinator is coaching them.

Is Dom done looking at the film yet? Maybe he will notice that he and his coaches did not give Jayrone Elliot a single defensive snap Sunday. Kinda weird that a healthy guy who has made some huge plays this year and is a pass rusher couldn't crack the lineup in a game where there was no pass rush and the D was getting run up and down the field.

The coaching staff most likely didn´t play Elliott against the Panthers because he has limitations defending the run.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I highly doubt the Packers have the right personnel though to be a top 10 defense no matter which coordinator is coaching them.

This has been my contention for awhile now. Blame Capers all you want, but he can only do so much with the players he is given to work with. As I believe you or someone pointed out so eloquently, it isn't like the guys we lose from the defense via Free agency every year are becoming Super Stars on other teams, for the most part (throw out Woodson) they have become duds.

So until TT either strikes it big on a few more "Matthews like players" via the draft or god forbid (in TT's eyes) FA, no matter who is coaching them, the Packers D is going to continue to be middle of the road at best.

 

[PackerDNA]

Elliot isn't the answer either.