Fire Capers

[7thFloorRA]

I highly doubt the Packers have the right personnel though to be a top 10 defense no matter which coordinator is coaching them.



The coaching staff most likely didn´t play Elliott against the Panthers because he has limitations defending the run.

and yet they lost the game due to the inability to stop the pass.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The players have been held accountable. We have some new CBs. We have new linebackers, new line men and guess what. Our defense still sucks after 4 years. Guess who's still there leading the ship? Oh yeah Capers.

So we're conveniently ignoring that three of the team's top four corners were out for a big part of the game? Our "new" linebacker is a rookie fifth round pick and that's supposed to be an improvement? And what new linemen does the team have? Raji and Daniels have been here a few seasons and Guion is obviously rusty from his absence.

Julius Peppers has been a shadow of what he was last year and playing ILB is taking a physical toll on Matthews. Clinton-Dix was supposed to be a free safety that could cover the deep middle and instead he's good against the run and a liability against the pass. But I'm sure Capers had Ha Ha practicing 'not covering' during the week. The Packers have been weak up the middle since 2010. Lack of good players being drafted/signed on the line or ILB have been a major problem for this team (Daniels is the only one).

 

[Half Empty]

I would want a collage coach that has been in the nfl coaching at some point

Successfully?

 

[azrsx05]

So we're conveniently ignoring that three of the team's top four corners were out for a big part of the game? Our "new" linebacker is a rookie fifth round pick and that's supposed to be an improvement? And what new linemen does the team have? Raji and Daniels have been here a few seasons and Guion is obviously rusty from his absence.

Julius Peppers has been a shadow of what he was last year and playing ILB is taking a physical toll on Matthews. Clinton-Dix was supposed to be a free safety that could cover the deep middle and instead he's good against the run and a liability against the pass. But I'm sure Capers had Ha Ha practicing 'not covering' during the week. The Packers have been weak up the middle since 2010. Lack of good players being drafted/signed on the line or ILB have been a major problem for this team (Daniels is the only one).

You're talking about one game. This defense has been overall pretty terrible for the past 4 years. We have 5 guys remaining from the 2011 defense left on the roster.
I don't understand why people make excuses or try to make excuses for the poor performances his defenses have been like in years now.

 

[7thFloorRA]

It was 2 of the starters that were the biggest problem Sunday. Burnett and Dix were crap. Randall was not bad. Goodson is terrible but he wasn't out of position. He gave up first downs because he gave his man a 10 yd cushion. It was the starting safeties that really were awful.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You're talking about one game. This defense has been overall pretty terrible for the past 4 years. We have 5 guys remaining from the 2011 defense left on the roster.
I don't under why people make excuses or try to make excuses for the poor performances his defenses have been like in years now.

None of us are making excuses for the mostly terrible performances by the defense since 2011, there are different perceptions about the reasons for it though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This year isn't that much different then past years in the way of Packer Defense. I mean really when was the last year that the Packers had a truly consistent dominant defense? The difference this year is that we don't have a dominant offense. One that puts enough points on the board to cover an average defense, one that keeps the defense off the field long enough to keep them rested and not give opposing offenses a lot of possessions.

Again I will say it, I just don't think our defense is going to improve drastically this year, it is what it is with the limited talent it has. Where we will either survive or die is with our offense. There is a lot of room for improvement and the talent to improve. So like so many years prior, we are going to win or lose by what our offense can do (or not do).

 

[PackerDNA]

This year isn't that much different then past years in the way of Packer Defense. I mean really when was the last year that the Packers had a truly consistent dominant defense? The difference this year is that we don't have a dominant offense. One that puts enough points on the board to cover an average defense, one that keeps the defense off the field long enough to keep them rested and not give opposing offenses a lot of possessions.

Again I will say it, I just don't think our defense is going to improve drastically this year, it is what it is with the limited talent it has. Where we will either survive or die is with our offense. There is a lot of room for improvement and the talent to improve. So like so many years prior, we are going to win or lose by what our offense can do (or not do).

1996?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

1996?

The 2010 defense was a dominant one as well and a major factor in winning at least three playoff games that year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

1996?

correct....and a Super Bowl year too. I guess in looking back over those 19 years between, 2010....another Super Bowl year, our D was ranked near the top too.

Edit....Captain damn it.....stop beating me to the punch LOL

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well then....I guess we stumbled into the holy grail......dominate PAcker D=Super Bowl victory.....that's a wrap, nothing more to see here folks, we can all go home, see you in 2016!

 

[longtimefan]

Successfully?

I wouldn't want aa nfl team hire a new DC, hc or a oc coming right from college with no nfl coaching experience..

 

[Half Empty]

I wouldn't want aa nfl team hire a new DC, hc or a oc coming right from college with no nfl coaching experience..

So unsuccessful NFL coaching experience is better than no experience? Each to his own.

 

[longtimefan]

So unsuccessful NFL coaching experience is better than no experience? Each to his own.

Let me be more specific.

Imo a coach that only dealt with college players may have a hard time dealing with the players of the NFL.

Has nothing to do with the coaches ability.

 

[Half Empty]

Let me be more specific.

Imo a coach that only dealt with college players may have a hard time dealing with the players of the NFL.

Has nothing to do with the coaches ability.

My point was you only asked for NFL experience. I'm sure there are plenty of unemployed former NFL coaches. All I asked is that you call for a coach with GOOD experience.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Brad Jones was just released by the Eagles after just eight games. Another example of an inferior talented player not working out playing for a different defensive coordinator than Capers.

 

[JBlood]

Brad Jones was just released by the Eagles

Yes, our draft picks on the defensive side have not been as successful as on offense. On the other hand, Greg Jennings is the lowest rated receiver in the NFL this year; and he thrived in Green Bay--I would welcome him back today. So it's possible players that change teams do not necessarily improve their chances; and may even regress.

The question remains on whose opinion those picks rest. I have to think the defensive coordinator has great input; just as I have to believe the offensive coordinator has on players he will work with. And MM very likely spends as many hours watching film on players as TT does, and I would assume makes his opinions known as well. TT makes the final decision I would assume. For some reason, it doesn't work on the defensive side of the ball. Maybe it's the defensive coaching opinions. If TT comes out and states that he is solely responsible for all picks, I'd replace him AND Capers at the end of the year.

 

[Packerlover]

The thing that bothers me about Capers is that even with different players, the defense still seems to have the same old problems. Only 2010 was different. So, I believe it's in the Packers interests to let Capers go this year and bring in new blood. Not some rookie coach straight out of the college ranks but someone who has spent at least 10 years in the NFL.

 

[DaveRoller]

Brad Jones was just released by the Eagles after just eight games. Another example of an inferior talented player not working out playing for a different defensive coordinator than Capers.

God that Brad Jones 2nd contract was a terrible resigning by TT, just brutal. Almost as bad Hawk's huge 2nd contract.

Capers should be fired IMO.

But criticizing TT's work on the defensive side of the ball is also wholly justified.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

and Bill was a loser before Brady. in case people forget, this is a team sport that takes the right pieces from top to bottom. Nobody does it alone. I prefer to avoid the brain or the butt arguments, because just when you think the brain is more important that ******** puckers up and the brain is full of **** before it knows it. All the pieces are important, it's just as easy to say that Rodgers may have been nothing but average or even slightly below without GB and MM.

Favre was playing like anything but a HOF QB when MM and Thompson got here. he was playing like a reckless QB that was putting us in losing situations more than he was winning and someone had him playing like it was 1996 again.

Rodgers would be a star anywhere, he's just too good and determined not to. He could be in a worse position, but he's by no means a product of MM. The same with Brady.

I think the Patriots are a superior organization because they make more changes and adjustments to win.

The thing that bothers me about Capers is that even with different players, the defense still seems to have the same old problems. Only 2010 was different. So, I believe it's in the Packers interests to let Capers go this year and bring in new blood. Not some rookie coach straight out of the college ranks but someone who has spent at least 10 years in the NFL.

You would have to think there would be plenty of coaches wanting an opportunity with GB...and many players, for that matter. But knowing our GM, neither will happen.

 

[Mondio]

Rodgers would be a star anywhere, he's just too good and determined not to. He could be in a worse position, but he's by no means a product of MM. The same with Brady.

I think the Patriots are a superior organization because they make more changes and adjustments to win.

You would have to think there would be plenty of coaches wanting an opportunity with GB...and many players, for that matter. But knowing our GM, neither will happen.

Sure he would be, we could all see it when first played for Green Bay, or maybe it took 3 years till he looked like he'd make it, but what do I know. And surely MM had nothing to do with taking a current fHOF QB that was tossing 20 or less TD's and 30 picks and turned that around to 30 TD's and half the picks, playing like he was 10 years younger. Clearly No coaching going on there.

 

[PackerDNA]

Sure he would be, we could all see it when first played for Green Bay, or maybe it took 3 years till he looked like he'd make it, but what do I know. And surely MM had nothing to do with taking a current fHOF QB that was tossing 20 or less TD's and 30 picks and turned that around to 30 TD's and half the picks, playing like he was 10 years younger. Clearly No coaching going on there.

Sure coaching matters; GB is known as a team that does well at developing QB's. With Rodgers, I thought we had a good one watching how he handled himself at the draft. I knew he'd be good; I had no idea he'd be this good.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Sure he would be, we could all see it when first played for Green Bay, or maybe it took 3 years till he looked like he'd make it, but what do I know. And surely MM had nothing to do with taking a current fHOF QB that was tossing 20 or less TD's and 30 picks and turned that around to 30 TD's and half the picks, playing like he was 10 years younger. Clearly No coaching going on there.

And when Favre went to Minnesota, he had one of his greatest seasons and scorched GB in his first year. I don't think you can give MM all of the credit for that.

 

[Mondio]

And when Favre went to Minnesota, he had one of his greatest seasons and scorched GB in his first year. I don't think you can give MM all of the credit for that.

I didn't, i've always maintained it takes a team, from the front office guys to the players, to be great. Maybe you missed it? or you just didn't understand the fable of the brain and the ******** being the most important? To make it short and sweet, one doesn't function as well without the other and it's so blazing obvious that Favre and Rodgers have benefited from MM and his coaching just as it is obvious MM has benefited from having quarterbacks capable of greatness on his team. WHy is everything either or?

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I didn't, i've always maintained it takes a team, from the front office guys to the players, to be great. Maybe you missed it? or you just didn't understand the fable of the brain and the ******** being the most important? To make it short and sweet, one doesn't function as well without the other and it's so blazing obvious that Favre and Rodgers have benefited from MM and his coaching just as it is obvious MM has benefited from having quarterbacks capable of greatness on his team. WHy is everything either or?

Your choice of words makes your point confusing. I don't think Favre or Rodgers are in bad hands. I think they could be doing much more for Rodgers, seeing as he gets pounded against good defenses and his receivers aren't getting open. Rodgers can't do it all alone.