Duds vs Giants

[Deleted member 6794]

You never told me that . Here was me thinking it was MY fault !

I didn't want to ruin the experience for you

 

[PikeBadger]

Agree 100% - let’s just draft his replacement - lol

Everyone's replacement needs to be drafted. Better to do that a year too early than a year too late. Strike when preparation meets opportunity. Some here refer to that as luck.

 

[rodell330]

Duds are MLF and Barry: God, MLF is such an overrated coach.

I’ve been saying this. He another McCarthy. Happened to come in with a first ballot HOF QB who won back to back MVPS and his team still managed to kiss away the #1 seed two years in a row.

He cannot adjust to save his life and that’s what got McCarthy sent packing. You take away what they want to do and it’s ball game. Lafleur is overrated and his cute regular season record doesn’t give him a pass.

 

[rodell330]

They ABSOLUTELY BLOW!!!! The worst team in the league with a winning record by far!!!!!!!!!

Agreed. They probably should be 1-4 which is what they actually look like. A 1-4 team. Lafleur and his inability to adjust to any damn thing and keep Jones involved in the game is really starting to make me not like the guy as a coach.

 

[Snoops]

Agreed. They probably should be 1-4 which is what they actually look like. A 1-4 team. Lafleur and his inability to adjust to any damn thing and keep Jones involved in the game is really starting to make me not like the guy as a coach.

Jones is way better than Dillon yes dillon nice change of pace bruiser but in no means should he be gobbling up jones Carries jones is by far the best player on offense

 

[milani]

I’ve been saying this. He another McCarthy. Happened to come in with a first ballot HOF QB who won back to back MVPS and his team still managed to kiss away the #1 seed two years in a row.

He cannot adjust to save his life and that’s what got McCarthy sent packing. You take away what they want to do and it’s ball game. Lafleur is overrated and his cute regular season record doesn’t give him a pass.

I agree in part. But his offense is much more creative and less predictable than MM's at least for his first 3 years. But execution is not always going to be there. And MLF has to realize that defenses will catch on. So he has to continue to create. Maybe a new play caller is needed.

 

[Cornelius Weems]

I agree in part. But his offense is much more creative and less predictable than MM's at least for his first 3 years. But execution is not always going to be there. And MLF has to realize that defenses will catch on. So he has to continue to create. Maybe a new play caller is needed.

But that really doesn't matter as this is 2022, and this offense keeps getting figured out each week. MLF's coached/ing himself out of a job. The Pack needs a dedicated OC, and if ppl on the team have a problem with that, then they have to go.

 

[lambeaulambo]

**** off, you`re not blaming us for that pillock...lol

he brought his knuckles w him...and the rest is bloody rubbish.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The doom and gloom around here is truly mind-boggling considering the team currently has a winning record. First of all fans who expected the offense to not miss a beat without Adams were completely unrealistic, it should have been obvious it will take time to make up for the loss of him. I'm surprised the defense hasn't been able to perform at a higher level as well but there's time for the unit to figure it out. Overall, it might be smart to relax and wait another few weeks before wanting to get rid of everybody on the coaching staff.

 

[Cornelius Weems]

The doom and gloom around here is truly mind-boggling considering the team currently has a winning record. First of all fans who expected the offense to not miss a beat without Adams were completely unrealistic, it should have been obvious it will take time to make up for the loss of him. I'm surprised the defense hasn't been able to perform at a higher level as well but there's time for the unit to figure it out. Overall, it might be smart to relax and wait another few weeks before wanting to get rid of everybody on the coaching staff.

I partially agree, but they are not trending positively. Can you honestly look at this team and say they trending in a positive direction? Things are appearing to go the opposite direction. People have been watching them win the division and make the playoffs for years, so aren't playoffs the bare minimum? They paid AR, so ppl want him to take us to the promised land. Ppl want to see the team progressing, but they look like they're regressing.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I’ve been saying this. He another McCarthy. Happened to come in with a first ballot HOF QB who won back to back MVPS and his team still managed to kiss away the #1 seed two years in a row.

He cannot adjust to save his life and that’s what got McCarthy sent packing. You take away what they want to do and it’s ball game. Lafleur is overrated and his cute regular season record doesn’t give him a pass.

Agreed. It seems like MLF comes in every week with his game plan, and that's fine. But when things go sideways, a lot or a little, he is unable or unwilling to adjust. For example, in a game like the Giants' game, with a 17-3 lead, and a 20-10 lead at half, RUN THE BALL! Why the **** would he keep calling pass plays? Yeah Rodgers will change the call, but not that much.

And why do the Packers burn through their time outs so often? Bad preparation, lack of communication - pick your poison.

 

[milani]

But that really doesn't matter as this is 2022, and this offense keeps getting figured out each week. MLF's coached/ing himself out of a job. The Pack needs a dedicated OC, and if ppl on the team have a problem with that, then they have to go.

And to support your point the Pats always had a dedicated OC in their glory years. And that dedicated DC always came up with new schemes as defenses always tried to stop them.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

The doom and gloom around here is truly mind-boggling considering the team currently has a winning record. First of all fans who expected the offense to not miss a beat without Adams were completely unrealistic, it should have been obvious it will take time to make up for the loss of him. I'm surprised the defense hasn't been able to perform at a higher level as well but there's time for the unit to figure it out. Overall, it might be smart to relax and wait another few weeks before wanting to get rid of everybody on the coaching staff.

I understand the issues the offense is going through. My source of frustration is mostly defensively. I hated the Barry hire when it happened and there is nothing that is trending that has me feeling any better about him especially considering all the high draft capital we have on that side of the ball.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I understand the issues the offense is going through. My source of frustration is mostly defensively. I hated the Barry hire when it happened and there is nothing that is trending that has me feeling any better about him especially considering all the high draft capital we have on that side of the ball.

Cap is right about being patient with this team. That said, I have the same opinion of Barry as you. He came here from an 0-16 Jaguar team, right? Nothing in his resume says "defensive genius" and so far, that's held. I'm not a fan of getting rid of any coaches this early on a team with a winning record.

But MLF should take Barry to the wood shed and show him who is running the team, including defense. I like MLF, but he's starting to seem a little too wishy/washy for me. He should be screaming at the way his team has performed and it should be loud enough to catch everyone's attention.

Maybe he does that when he's not in the media spotlight. Sometimes a coach just has to kick some ***.

 

[milani]

I understand the issues the offense is going through. My source of frustration is mostly defensively. I hated the Barry hire when it happened and there is nothing that is trending that has me feeling any better about him especially considering all the high draft capital we have on that side of the ball.

I believe the frustration occurs when losing to an inferior opponent who on paper has a slim chance. I could see losing to the Vikings and the Bucs. Those teams have equal if not superior talent and good coaching staffs. But not the Giants.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I believe the frustration occurs when losing to an inferior opponent who on paper has a slim chance. I could see losing to the Vikings and the Bucs. Those teams have equal if not superior talent and good coaching staffs. But not the Giants.

I agree. And when a QB with a gimpy ankle runs 10 times with a 3.5 yd average, well it sucks. It also shows MLF's almost complete inability to change during a game. After Jones ran for the fifth time, it might be a good idea to have an ILB keep an eye on him. It's mostly on Barry. I was not a fan of that hire. But for better or worse, he's our DC.

 

[Schultz]

Agreed. It seems like MLF comes in every week with his game plan, and that's fine. But when things go sideways, a lot or a little, he is unable or unwilling to adjust. For example, in a game like the Giants' game, with a 17-3 lead, and a 20-10 lead at half, RUN THE BALL! Why the **** would he keep calling pass plays? Yeah Rodgers will change the call, but not that much.

And why do the Packers burn through their time outs so often? Bad preparation, lack of communication - pick your poison.

Let me see. In earlier games the crying was over MLF being conservative with a lead and not going for the kill. Now that he doesn't get conservative with a lead and that doesn't work..................

 

[Mondio]

Let me see. In earlier games the crying was over MLF being conservative with a lead and not going for the kill. Now that he doesn't get conservative with a lead and that doesn't work..................

Exactly…

Seems crazy but apparently it’s true. They’ll tell you.

 

[milani]

Let me see. In earlier games the crying was over MLF being conservative with a lead and not going for the kill. Now that he doesn't get conservative with a lead and that doesn't work..................

There is a fine line between running the ball if you have run it successfully up until that time and simply running the ball to milk the clock. I think the reference here is do what got you there and make the defense adjust. If you look at the 2 TD drives we had it was a blend of runs and short ball control passes with the exception of the the Tonyan interference call. That is exactly how we moved the ball when we beat AZ last year minus Adams and Lazard. We had no choice. There was no reason to suddenly change. Get the first downs, move the chains, and Matriculate down the field. Even FGs would have made a difference in the outcome.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I partially agree, but they are not trending positively. Can you honestly look at this team and say they trending in a positive direction? Things are appearing to go the opposite direction. People have been watching them win the division and make the playoffs for years, so aren't playoffs the bare minimum? They paid AR, so ppl want him to take us to the promised land. Ppl want to see the team progressing, but they look like they're regressing.

As I have mentioned in another thread, it was to be expected that the offense will be inconsistent early this season. I'm disappointed in the way the defense has played but I believe they can improve over the course of the season. In my opinion there's no need to panic considering the Packers have a winning record and enough time to make sure they will be able to perform at a higher level in December or January.

If they don't look any better at the end of November it might be smart to lower expectations though.

Agreed. It seems like MLF comes in every week with his game plan, and that's fine. But when things go sideways, a lot or a little, he is unable or unwilling to adjust. For example, in a game like the Giants' game, with a 17-3 lead, and a 20-10 lead at half, RUN THE BALL! Why the **** would he keep calling pass plays? Yeah Rodgers will change the call, but not that much.

And why do the Packers burn through their time outs so often? Bad preparation, lack of communication - pick your poison.

The Packers lost a game for only the second time in MLF's tenure in which they held a 14-point lead at some point. Therefore it's a huge exaggeration to suggest the team can't generally deal with things going sideways during games.

And to support your point the Pats always had a dedicated OC in their glory years. And that dedicated DC always came up with new schemes as defenses always tried to stop them.

The Packers have an offensive coordinator in Adam Stenavich.

My source of frustration is mostly defensively. I hated the Barry hire when it happened and there is nothing that is trending that has me feeling any better about him especially considering all the high draft capital we have on that side of the ball.

I agree the performance on defense has been disappointing at times.

 

[milani]

As I have mentioned in another thread, it was to be expected that the offense will be inconsistent early this season. I'm disappointed in the way the defense has played but I believe they can improve over the course of the season. In my opinion there's no need to panic considering the Packers have a winning record and enough time to make sure they will be able to perform at a higher level in December or January.

If they don't look any better at the end of November it might be smart to lower expectations though.



The Packers lost a game for only the second time in MLF's tenure in which they held a 14-point lead at some point. Therefore it's a huge exaggeration to suggest the team can't generally deal with things going sideways during games.



The Packers have an offensive coordinator in Adam Stenavich.



I agree the performance on defense has been disappointing at times.

However, the Pats OC CALLED the plays. Ours are called by the HC.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Let me see. In earlier games the crying was over MLF being conservative with a lead and not going for the kill. Now that he doesn't get conservative with a lead and that doesn't work..................

Point taken. Can't have it both ways. And the rookie WRs need work. The Giants should have presented a game where a large lead was possible (it was), and possible to maintain considering their injuries (it wasn't). There would have been opportunity to work with the new WRs and not risk a loss. Never happened.

The Jets and Commanders should present the same scenario. But obviously this team can't take anyone for granted, and all of a sudden the Jets look good.

Regardless, I'd still like to see a pass attempt/run ratio of at least 60/40. It makes no sense to waste talented backs by giving them only 19 touches. And against elite teams like the Bills, the Packers are gone have to rely on their backs. Doesn't mean they'll win, but they'll play a more competitive game.

 

[Heyjoe4]

As I have mentioned in another thread, it was to be expected that the offense will be inconsistent early this season. I'm disappointed in the way the defense has played but I believe they can improve over the course of the season. In my opinion there's no need to panic considering the Packers have a winning record and enough time to make sure they will be able to perform at a higher level in December or January.

If they don't look any better at the end of November it might be smart to lower expectations though.



The Packers lost a game for only the second time in MLF's tenure in which they held a 14-point lead at some point. Therefore it's a huge exaggeration to suggest the team can't generally deal with things going sideways during games.



The Packers have an offensive coordinator in Adam Stenavich.



I agree the performance on defense has been disappointing at times.

MLF does not do a good job of in-game management, and certainly not the clock, burning through TOs early in almost every game.

They have Rodgers as QB, so using their past record to refute MLF's lack of game management is misguided. Using only statistics for support is intellectually lazy.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

What?!? I have to really question your Packer fandom with this statement.

In the mock drafts I've done I've gotten Bijan Robinson in Round 1...Tank Bigsby can be gotten Day 2 or later. Both have the same skill set as Jones. And please don't question my fandom as I've probably been a fan since before you were born...AND I remember how bad most of the 80's were.

 

[milani]

Point taken. Can't have it both ways. And the rookie WRs need work. The Giants should have presented a game where a large lead was possible (it was), and possible to maintain considering their injuries (it wasn't). There would have been opportunity to work with the new WRs and not risk a loss. Never happened.

The Jets and Commanders should present the same scenario. But obviously this team can't take anyone for granted, and all of a sudden the Jets look good.

Regardless, I'd still like to see a pass attempt/run ratio of at least 60/40. It makes no sense to waste talented backs by giving them only 19 touches. And against elite teams like the Bills, the Packers are gone have to rely on their backs. Doesn't mean they'll win, but they'll play a more competitive game.

When you look at our schedule down the stretch there are opponents that frankly are better than us. Can we somehow eke out wins like in Tampa? I doubt it. We need a lot to go our way.