Disagreement in organization about Will Fuller

[El Guapo]

Why do people not look at what Gute did in the draft and just accept what he has shown us? He's not trying to maximize the chance to win NOW, he's looking to try and win in 4-5 years (and the job security that comes with that).

I accept that he is trying to keep this team competitive every season, not just this one and not just in 4-5 years. Any Bears/Vikings/Lions fan would love to have their team be good like the Packers every year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You should know me by now. I am happier with a consistently good team year-after-year than I am going all-in for SBs and then nose diving into rebuilding years. Trade deadline deals are generally not of good value, meaning that the sellers know that the buyers are a bit desperate to plug that hole. You are paying or trading a premium for the chance to win now. If you don't win now, that premium is a waste and merely the cost of not having the right pieces in place at the beginning of the season.

I am the same way, I don't believe you go all in on one season at the expense of the next seasons. However, making a smart trade, with an eye on this season and next, wouldn't be considered a bad move in my book.

I think where we differ is the "value of a draft pick" vs "Value of a trade target". The Fuller trade made no sense to me because of his contract, not because of what they were asking. Of course had they been asking for a 7th rounder, it would have been a no brainer to make the trade. But a 2nd for a guy that might be out the door in March or very expensive to retain, no thanks on a 2nd. But if I could trade a 2nd for a pretty decent WR that has proven himself in the NFL , have a longer term contract then 6-8 games and the great need that I think the Packers have, sign me up. After all, besides the salary, all I would be giving up, is a future player that I have no clue on how good they will actually be in the NFL.

I agree with you that if you just view Fuller as a short term rental and a desperation move to try and win a SB now, it would have been a terrible trade for a 2nd, for the Packers. However, I don't think you can view all trades as terrible, just because you don't win a SB that year as a result or that you have to spend a draft pick that could have been a great player or a dud to do it. Which is what you seemed to be implying, perhaps I read your post wrong.

I think we also agree on the big picture. I would rather watch the Packers have 10 straight competitive winning seasons and no super bowl wins, then 1 super bowl win and 9 Detroit Lion type seasons. I would love a SB win, but its just one game. Give me 16+ fun and competitive games each season, winnings seasons and I am a happy fan.

 

[El Guapo]

I think we also agree on the big picture. I would rather watch the Packers have 10 straight competitive winning seasons and no super bowl wins, then 1 super bowl win and 9 Detroit Lion type seasons. I would love a SB win, but its just one game. Give me 16+ fun and competitive games each season, winnings seasons and I am a happy fan.

It wouldn't let me "Agree" more than once.

 

[JK64]

Really? Since when?

You should know me by now. I am happier with a consistently good team year-after-year than I am going all-in for SBs and then nose diving into rebuilding years. Trade deadline deals are generally not of good value, meaning that the sellers know that the buyers are a bit desperate to plug that hole. You are paying or trading a premium for the chance to win now. If you don't win now, that premium is a waste and merely the cost of not having the right pieces in place at the beginning of the season.

We have a HOF QB now!! We don't know what Love will become in the future. Why not help this team now?
Too many of you are willing to stand pat and wallow in mediocrity.

 

[JK64]

They quite literally do not.

Are we talking about the cap or real money. If we are talking about real money they have a large amount in the bank.

 

[tynimiller]

We have a HOF QB now!! We don't know what Love will become in the future. Why not help this team now?
Too many of you are willing to stand pat and wallow in mediocrity.

Please elaborate with actual quotes from anyone here that has deemed this to be their desire?

Again, you are allowing your severe disagreement with not getting Fuller to cloud your claims and statements.

@RRyder posed a question, actually two; really and since when?

Have their been some cuts or restructures you're aware of the team has done alleviating the insanely tight fiscal belt we are presently facing this year and next especially? If so please share?

 

[JK64]

Having money and having cap room are not the same thing.



https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

I get it.

 

[JK64]

I'm fine with GB not budging - A second-rounder is too much for a rental, IMHO.

They don’t realize that all the giddiness from 2 years ago comes with cost and constraints.

Love Fuller, but you aren't giving up a 2nd for a guy who could be special with a good contract. You're eating ALL possibly more than what we have left $ wise and for quite possibly only 9 games...with ZERO contract in place forward.

I think he was right. So if he couldn't find a trade that didn't improve the long term situation, I can see why he wasn't interested.

Not sure if you read my post, you quoted it though.

• Love wasn't drafted for immediate help
• we have 2 RB's on the last year of their contracts, you don't think Dillon was a pick for 2021 and whatever he could contribute this year?
• MLF's offense heavily relies on TE's, Mercedes Lewis is what 49 years old? Deguara was definitely a "what can he give us this year, but more next year" pick.
• Martin was definitely a pick for now and future.
• 3 offensive lineman in a row. You don't think those were picks for 2021 and beyond and potentially a bit of backup this year?

Again, I understand you are upset that the Packers didn't grab an immediate impact player with one of their first 2 picks, I was scratching my head too. However, I think those fans who are throwing their hands up because we haven't won a SB yet this year, are doing it prematurely. I also think you would have been expecting 2 rookies to do way too much. It is hind sight now, but what 2 picks should Gute have made in the draft, that has us instant SB contenders....in your opinion?

You should know me by now. I am happier with a consistently good team year-after-year than I am going all-in for SBs and then nose diving into rebuilding years. Trade deadline deals are generally not of good value, meaning that the sellers know that the buyers are a bit desperate to plug that hole. You are paying or trading a premium for the chance to win now. If you don't win now, that premium is a waste and merely the cost of not having the right pieces in place at the beginning of the season.

Keep the mediocrity going and waste a supreme QB talent.

 

[Mondio]

Keep the mediocrity going and waste a supreme QB talent.

yeah, because i have great influence over the teams decisions. and like I said, the only thing I like more than losing NFCCG's is losing wild card games.

 

[tynimiller]

Keep the mediocrity going and waste a supreme QB talent.

LOL Read through each of those, not a single one advocates for or desires mediocrity. Being for, against or discussing why it is a good or bad move for variety of reasons to make a trade is in no way shape or form what you are claiming.

I think you need a nap and a stiff drink to calm yourself down.

 

[swhitset]

LOL Read through each of those, not a single one advocates for or desires mediocrity. Being for, against or discussing why it is a good or bad move for variety of reasons to make a trade is in no way shape or form what you are claiming.

I think you need a nap and a stiff drink to calm yourself down.

Or maybe a few less drinks.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Keep the mediocrity going and waste a supreme QB talent.

I would be fine bringing in Will Fuller, but not at any price. The trade would have to be worth the return.

 

[swhitset]

I would be fine bringing in Will Fuller, but not at any price. The trade would have to be worth the return.

And since the deadline was yesterday.... it’s no longer an issue.

 

[GleefulGary]

Are we talking about the cap or real money. If we are talking about real money they have a large amount in the bank.

The cap. It doesn’t matter how much real money they have, they cannot go over the cap.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Are we talking about the cap or real money. If we are talking about real money they have a large amount in the bank.

I get it.

Do you? I don't think you do or you wouldn't be saying some of the things that you are. That to me is what makes the NFL a fun league to watch, the cap. Unlike Baseball and Basketball, where caps are not the same, big market teams can and do spend way more than small market teams.

The Packer organization does have a healthy bankroll, but in regards to what they can spend on players, they can only spend so much each season and that amount is the same for every team. I am thankful for that, for if that wasn't the case, I doubt the Packers remain competitive very long and if you think they are settling for mediocrity now, you aint seen nothing yet!

 

[JK64]

Do you? I don't think you do or you wouldn't be saying some of the things that you are. That to me is what makes the NFL a fun league to watch, the cap. Unlike Baseball and Basketball, where caps are not the same, big market teams can and do spend way more than small market teams.

The Packer organization does have a healthy bankroll, but in regards to what they can spend on players, they can only spend so much each season and that amount is the same for every team. I am thankful for that, for if that wasn't the case, I doubt the Packers remain competitive very long and if you think they are settling for mediocrity now, you aint seen nothing yet!

There are ways of manipulating the cap.

 

[JK64]

Gute needs to be ripped for standing pat, not to mention the draft. Gute is on my **** list along with Pettine.

 

[tynimiller]

The hilarious thing is some of the guys you're claiming are all for mediocre results and not being competitive, are some of the loudest critics on Gute for the draft LOL....I feel like I'm trying to describe the colors in a picture I texted someone - that cannot understand because they used a color filter to make the thing black and white....

The borg had a saying that resistance is futile....I'm gonna bow out and state discussion is clearly futile.

 

[JK64]

The hilarious thing is some of the guys you're claiming are all for mediocre results and not being competitive, are some of the loudest critics on Gute for the draft LOL....I feel like I'm trying to describe the colors in a picture I texted someone - that cannot understand because they used a color filter to make the thing black and white....

The borg had a saying that resistance is futile....I'm gonna bow out and state discussion is clearly futile.

You so smaht too.

 

[rodell330]

By most accounts, the last years Packers team was the worse 13-3 team of all time lol. I just can’t understand if you can make it to the NFCCG with last years roster, why wouldn’t you add pieces to that roster and actually try and win the damn thing. I think Gute is feeling himself a little too much. Without Rodgers the Packers would probably barely get talked about.

 

[Mondio]

one thing we know for sure, they're talked about by some in here more when they lose so I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Without Rodgers the Packers would probably barely get talked about.

 

[tynimiller]

Easily cases can be made he didn't do nothing and did some, easily the case can be made by some accounts he didn't do enough however.

We need to be careful to not confuse the two.

 

[GleefulGary]

There are ways of manipulating the cap.

Okay. How?

 

[Pugger]

**** you Gute. This team needs help and you do nothing?

Adding another WR wasn't going to fix our lousy defense...

 

[lambeaulambo]

Pugger you are spot on...we need to get a dlineman or 2 first b4 anything, and a new dc.