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If one game can make someone like you so certain why can't someone doubt after witnessing his other 20 plus game?

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No one said he wasnt athletic. Lots of athletic people can't play wr in the NFL.

If Adam's would have been healthy Janis would have most definitely went to the bench for the NFC championship

Janis had 2 receptions in both of his 1st two regular seasons. So there really wasn't an improvement on the wr end
This topic isn't about athletes in general and Jeff obviously IS in the NFL listed as a WR. This is a fact and neither you or I can argue against it if we want to ever remain relevant. Lol
By deduction, Somebody (or multiple somebodys) with years of NFL experience hired him as a WR and has kept him thus far.
So, I'm curious then, Are you implying that Jeff shouldn't be in the NFL?
Or are you just implying that Jeff isn't good enough to play Wideout?
Or maybe we just shouldn't give him any snaps as a receiver?
 
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I know you're talking partly tongue in cheek here, but it would be a better argument if that game was more recent, like in the last year. :rolleyes:

Also the difference is those guys got way, way more opportunities and snaps. Over a long enough period of time it's not surprising that they put those games together at least once. I'm also not surprised on the receptions per snap count from Janis as Rodgers frequently didn't look his way out of a lack of trust, until he was forced to.

The Janis venom here is weird. I have no problem with the idea that Adams still had the upper hand for the number 3 job; in fact, I think he does. It's people acting like it's incomprehensible that Janis could beat out Adams when it's not. There's a lot of possibilities yet how it could shake out.

Personally as long as our best players are on the field that's all that matters to me no matter which ones that ends up being.


I don't see how the Janis venom is any more prevalent than the Janis ... well, its a family site so I won't say what I am thinking. I don't think anyone thinks it's incomprehensible that Janis could beat out Adams (unlikely is not incomprehensible) but it sure seems to me that plenty think its incomprehensible that he won't or worse, hasn't already.

Like you said most Packer fans want someone, anyone, be it Adams, Janis, Montgomery, Abbredaris, Davis, or even one of the other guys, to step up and take hold of the #3 spot. Janis supporters, I hate to use that word because we all support him but its all I could think of, seem to be offended if someone suggests it might not be Janis and they seem doubly offended if anyone suggests it might be Adams.
 

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This topic isn't about athletes in general and Jeff obviously IS in the NFL listed as a WR. This is a fact and neither you or I can argue against it if we want to ever remain relevant. Lol
By deduction, Somebody (or multiple somebodys) with years of NFL experience hired him as a WR and has kept him thus far.
So, I'm curious then, Are you implying that Jeff shouldn't be in the NFL?
Or are you just implying that Jeff isn't good enough to play Wideout?
Or maybe we just shouldn't give him any snaps as a receiver?

Janis has played very limited plays at wr unless there has been a lot of injuries. He has been kept on the roster for special teams. It is obvious he wasn't on the roster due to receiving ability midway through last year. He hopefully can earn more pt at wr.

I am saying and our coaches have decided that until catastrophic injuries he was not good enough to play wr. We will see what they think this year
 

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I bet this thread gets bumped a lot in the fall. A lot of 'told you so's' one way or another.
 

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Interesting comments from Rodger's on Janis. "I know you guys love Janis." seemed like what many are saying here. Just pump the breaks a little and let's see how he does this year.

Also a little dig at himself and maybe Adams in saying he won't make the mistake of declaring an off season mvp
 

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Interesting comments from Rodger's on Janis. "I know you guys love Janis." seemed like what many are saying here. Just pump the breaks a little and let's see how he does this year.

Also a little dig at himself and maybe Adams in saying he won't make the mistake of declaring an off season mvp

I've always gotten the vibe from Rodgers from his comments and demeanor toward Janis that he doesn't really like him for some reason.

And I could be totally mistaken in that. It might be nothing. It's just the vibe I've gotten.
 

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I've always gotten the vibe from Rodgers from his comments and demeanor toward Janis that he doesn't really like him for some reason.

And I could be totally mistaken in that. It might be nothing. It's just the vibe I've gotten.

Rodger's value guys who put in the extra work, bring it on the practice field, and are where they are supposed to be in games. That is obvious. Maybe there is something else but from that video I would say Rodger's is saying "I know you guys love Janis but he needs to do the little things to get on the field. This is a big year for him to do that." I think he would say the exact same thing to people on this board if he spoke what he really thought.
Honestly Rodger's comments today and over the past two years are exactly what the pump the breaks on Janis crowd have said. Rodger's must be a hater too
 

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Rodger's value guys who put in the extra work, bring it on the practice field, and are where they are supposed to be in games. That is obvious. Maybe there is something else but from that video I would say Rodger's is saying "I know you guys love Janis but he needs to do the little things to get on the field. This is a big year for him to do that." I think he would say the exact same thing to people on this board if he spoke what he really thought.
Honestly Rodger's comments today and over the past two years are exactly what the pump the breaks on Janis crowd have said. Rodger's must be a hater too

I've never heard that Janis isn't a guy who puts in the hard work or busts his butt trying to improve.

In fact from what I've heard the last few years he has a reputation for a strong work ethic.
 

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Interesting comments from Rodger's on Janis. "I know you guys love Janis." seemed like what many are saying here. Just pump the breaks a little and let's see how he does this year.

Also a little dig at himself and maybe Adams in saying he won't make the mistake of declaring an off season mvp

The rest of Rodgers' quote was, 'All you guys out there love Jeff. I love Jeff too.'

Maybe some tongue in cheek here sure but he doesn't really seem like a hater to me after all.
 
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I bet this thread gets bumped a lot in the fall. A lot of 'told you so's' one way or another.
I for one never go back and point out times I was " ahead of the curve". Although it would be such an anomoly Being right about him it might actually pay to rub it in on this one :whistling:
 

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I've never heard that Janis isn't a guy who puts in the hard work or busts his butt trying to improve.

In fact from what I've heard the last few years he has a reputation for a strong work ethic.

If u could please post a link to how the coaches feel about his work ethic I'll buy that but if all we have to go on is what we've seen he'd be ALOT farther along as a WR if he truly busted his but every day and had a ston wor ethic. Then again he could just be dumb as a box of rocks.

No idea but I think it's undeniable he still hasn't grasped the concept of route running which should give pause if the narrative is that he has a strong work ethic
 
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Seriously, even though I'd love to see him excel, I'm not sure that Jeff is ready to leap to our #3 just yet. Although I support him I try to remain realistic. Jeff is in just his 3rd year and was pretty raw his rookie year and hasnt had the 1st team work until last year (in limited supply). As a true dedicated Wideout he's probably considered the experience level of a second year player at best which is still in the novice category.
What I'm intrigued about is his size, unpredictable breakaway speed, his leaping ability and his nose for the ball.
I remember folks discounting his ability coming from a level 2 university and how it may not translate to this league. Now he's clearly translating at the pro level and the argument has slowly changed to "can he can become a starting level WR?"
Interestingly, Even when I read comments from the biggest skeptics of Jeffs ability, I no longer get the impression they feel he can't translate to this level. Now it's become "show me more proof" or "he's great at Special Teams".
We took this man in the 5th round 2014 and if we had a do over? I'm confident many would agree that We'd Take him again at 5th round (or higher)
What % of players that we've drafted in the past 5 years would we say that?
Ladies and gentleman..
Distinguished members of the jury..
Please allow this man the chance to defend himself before sentencing him to hard time.
I rest my case im worn out defending the man! ;)
 
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So stop defending him. His playing time or lack thereof will speak volumes as to how the coaching staff feels. It is time for him to put up or his advocates to shut up.
 

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The rest of Rodgers' quote was, 'All you guys out there love Jeff. I love Jeff too.'

Maybe some tongue in cheek here sure but he doesn't really seem like a hater to me after all.

I don't think he is a hater either. Just like none of the guys posting here are haters. I love Janis the special teams player. I think Janis the wr has a lot to prove.

Also the work ethic think has more to do with learning the play book. He obviously didn't know that well enough. That isn't debatable
 

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I don't know what practice is like, but watching him on special teams, I can't say I get the impression he's not a hard worker. I think he is and as I've always said, physically he's as capable as anyone that's ever played the game really. he has gifts, without a doubt. I think he has a good attitude to play this game too. It's always been about understanding the game and doing what is asked. I'm sure he tries like hell to do what's asked, and his play on special teams, especially as gunner shows me just how much he wants to be on that field and earn a spot. Trying to do what is asked and actually doing that are 2 different things. But I also get the feeling that this is the year he must put it all together or he'll be nothing more than a gadget play guy, which i am all for using his skill set at certain points in the game, but he won't be a guy you can have as a regular part of the offense. I'm hoping he can put it together.
 

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Wow, 10 pages worth of discussion on this guy. Amazing that he's such a lightning rod.
 

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So stop defending him. His playing time or lack thereof will speak volumes as to how the coaching staff feels. It is time for him to put up or his advocates to shut up.
I have a theory that GB brass is keeping him buried on the depth chart until he signs a 2nd contract...
 

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I have a theory that GB brass is keeping him buried on the depth chart until he signs a 2nd contract...
Ouch... that's such a reach MY shoulder hurts! ;) Hopefully with OTA's happening there will be other discussions to have & we can revisit this thread mid/late season.
 

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I have a theory that GB brass is keeping him buried on the depth chart until he signs a 2nd contract...
yes, a team that is in the hunt for a championship is not putting it's best players on the field despite having a desperate need at the position
 

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Ouch... that's such a reach MY shoulder hurts! ;) Hopefully with OTA's happening there will be other discussions to have & we can revisit this thread mid/late season.
I think the only thing this guy is missing is opportunity. Rodgers basicly black balling him, really ticks me off. He was a great deep threat when our team desperately needed one... So either we are playing it slow so he doesnt ask for 10mil/yr before he masters the whole route tree? Or are brutally stubborn to the point of shooting ourselves in the foot... Everyone makes excuses for the reasons why Janis didnt play. But seriously, he was our answer, and we blatently ignored it until he was the only guy left to play. And he blasts one of the best defenses in the league for 2 TDs, 7 catches for 145 yds??? Lets not forget when he did that our Oline was struggling, Lacy was struggling. Rodgers was struggling. and the TEs were struggling... He was the only bright spot on a dreary beat up offense...

Why? because he doesnt run sharp enough routes for rodgers??? I think that logic is ignorant of what he does do well. And IMO, an excuse to keep our reserves great until Jordy starts regressing.
 

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Interesting comments from Rodger's on Janis. "I know you guys love Janis." seemed like what many are saying here. Just pump the breaks a little and let's see how he does this year.

Also a little dig at himself and maybe Adams in saying he won't make the mistake of declaring an off season mvp

Rodgers position is sober minded, he's not a breakout star but he's still growing and progressing.

I really like Janis the player, but honestly top high school offenses run more sophisticated route trees than what he ran at Saginaw State. I'm hard pressed to think of a player who made the squad with less developed skills since Bill Schroeder.

Edit: Even Schoeder seemed to be more developed as a route runner coming in.
 
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Why? because he doesnt run sharp enough routes for rodgers??? I think that logic is ignorant of what he does do well.

This demonstrates a lack of understanding of how most modern offenses work and why crisp routes are at the very least "strongly desired" and often "required."

First, why crips routes? Because everyone in the NFL is a great athlete. A sharp route fools the defender, however briefly, and gives your receiver have a step. A good route runner makes his entire tree look the same right up until he actual makes his break. If you can do this well, it's much easier to make a hitch look like a go, a go like a hitch, and obviously, sell the hitch'n'go.

This is Janis' weakness. Defenders can more or less see exactly what route he's going to run before he gets to the top of his route (the breakpoint) and cover appropriately. You've made the defender's job easier. Athletics can negate this weakness if you're a quick and shifty guy--you simple out accelerate the defender. It's not perfect, but solvable. Janis isn't necessarily quick, he's fast. His "over come with athletics" is the go route. The problem here is that is easy to counter. Play off, nice and soft, and count on the pass rush to get there. Sure, he'll eventually get open, but with the plan of getting the ball off in 2.8 seconds or whatever, the advantage goes to the defender. Those are also some low-percentage throws and not a reliable way to build an offense.

If Janis can learn to run good routes, his value will shoot up. In the previous example, to defeat the soft coverage, run it hard-hard-hard, and turn it into a hitch/back shoulder at 10 yards. Right now, today, Janis has not demonstrated that he is capable of doing that.

Second, why routes at all? Because the quarterback doesn't throw to guys, he throws to spots. Understand what happens when the QB breaks the huddle. He's immediately looking up trying to identify personnel. Nickel? Base? Dime? Next, where are the safeties? It goes on and on. Once under center, he's probably already made up his mind or he's calling an audible.

Once the ball is snapped, the decision has been made. Between personnel, alignment, down and distance, and film study, he know who has the best chance of being open. The time between receiving the snap and completing the drop "reading" the defense isn't really reading--it's confirming that what you saw pre-snap is correct. Once the drop is completed, he has started his plant, and the ball is going out. This is particularly true of 3-step drops.

This is practiced all the time. The goal is have the quarterback and his receivers know exactly where they are on the field. Three step drop = how many steps in the route = how many yards downfield. For ever route. For every receiver. From each position.

If Janis cannot or will not do this correctly, this will cause Rodgers to throw interceptions. Again, he's throwing to a spot at a certain time. If Janis isn't there, the ball either goes to a defender uncontested or into the dirt.
 

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I think the only thing this guy is missing is opportunity. Rodgers basicly black balling him, really ticks me off. He was a great deep threat when our team desperately needed one... So either we are playing it slow so he doesnt ask for 10mil/yr before he masters the whole route tree? Or are brutally stubborn to the point of shooting ourselves in the foot... Everyone makes excuses for the reasons why Janis didnt play. But seriously, he was our answer, and we blatently ignored it until he was the only guy left to play. And he blasts one of the best defenses in the league for 2 TDs, 7 catches for 145 yds??? Lets not forget when he did that our Oline was struggling, Lacy was struggling. Rodgers was struggling. and the TEs were struggling... He was the only bright spot on a dreary beat up offense...

Why? because he doesnt run sharp enough routes for rodgers??? I think that logic is ignorant of what he does do well. And IMO, an excuse to keep our reserves great until Jordy starts regressing.
He wasn't a great deep threat until we were throwing Hail Mary's. If he was our great deep threat and performing like one, we wouldn't have needed Hail Mary's to stay in the game.
 

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I think the only thing this guy is missing is opportunity. Rodgers basicly black balling him, really ticks me off. He was a great deep threat when our team desperately needed one... So either we are playing it slow so he doesnt ask for 10mil/yr before he masters the whole route tree? Or are brutally stubborn to the point of shooting ourselves in the foot... Everyone makes excuses for the reasons why Janis didnt play. But seriously, he was our answer, and we blatently ignored it until he was the only guy left to play. And he blasts one of the best defenses in the league for 2 TDs, 7 catches for 145 yds??? Lets not forget when he did that our Oline was struggling, Lacy was struggling. Rodgers was struggling. and the TEs were struggling... He was the only bright spot on a dreary beat up offense...

Why? because he doesnt run sharp enough routes for rodgers??? I think that logic is ignorant of what he does do well. And IMO, an excuse to keep our reserves great until Jordy starts regressing.

Janis was always going to be a long term project and his skill set was definitely under developed. Wanting to keep an underdeveloped player buried on the depth chart is not a bad thing, if anything doing so helps keep the player focused on fine tuning his game.
 

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Janis was always going to be a long term project and his skill set was definitely under developed. Wanting to keep an underdeveloped player buried on the depth chart is not a bad thing, if anything doing so helps keep the player focused on fine tuning his game.
Wolf did the same thing with Driver and Schroeder. Having superior athletic ability buys you more time as long as you show progress. Both Schroeder & Driver were very very raw coming into the league. So was Cordarelle Patterson and the German WR the Vikings just drafted. It takes time.
 

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