De’Vondre Campbell

[Poppa San]

That might be what they are thinking. Either that or using Newman as the insurance policy and just walking away from Runyon in search of his replacement. I like Jon, but he had a rough year and I’m not sure he’s not already near Ceiling. We shall know shortly as many puzzle pieces will come together in a few days.

Unless he gets crazy $$$ I expect JRJ back. He isn't a turnstile, just not great. iOL are getting resigned before FA opens so the available pool is shrinking and the pricing is firming. If we can get him back for average money for 3-4 years, there are worse things that could happen than that. I'd rather upgrade him but Rhyan hasn't earned the gig so it shouldn't be handed to him. That's how we have Myers yet.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Unless he gets crazy $$$ I expect JRJ back. He isn't a turnstile, just not great. iOL are getting resigned before FA opens so the available pool is shrinking and the pricing is firming. If we can get him back for average money for 3-4 years, there are worse things that could happen than that. I'd rather upgrade him but Rhyan hasn't earned the gig so it shouldn't be handed to him. That's how we have Myers yet.

I have a feeling Runyon will get some crazy money thrown at him, from a team that is desperate to improve their OL. Would I like him back in GB? Sure, but nowhere near starter type money.

 

[PikeBadger]

Unless he gets crazy $$$ I expect JRJ back. He isn't a turnstile, just not great. iOL are getting resigned before FA opens so the available pool is shrinking and the pricing is firming. If we can get him back for average money for 3-4 years, there are worse things that could happen than that. I'd rather upgrade him but Rhyan hasn't earned the gig so it shouldn't be handed to him. That's how we have Myers yet.

I'm a big fan of being able to hang on to Runyan on a team friendly deal. Imo, he's an ideal backup IOL who already knows the playbook and all of his linemates. It remains to be seen if Rhyan can actually beat him out as a starter and I truly doubt a 2nd or 3rd round rookie guard could unseat him by the beginning of the season.

 

[OldSchool101]

Very interesting. That establishes an early (at least, preliminary) pricing benchmark, and frankly, I see that as a very encouraging number.

Absolutely. Our problem is LA and now KC has gotten better production from Tranquil than we are from Devondre the last 2 seasons….
That just tells me Campbell is waaay overpaid as if he’s still playing like an All Pro.


Across 2022-2023 seasons combined

Player A making $6.33mil/year
33 games played
1 INT
5 PD
3 FF/1 FR
9.5 Sacks
224 Tackles/148 Solo
17 TFL
15 QB hits

Player B making $10.0mil/year
24 games played
2 INT/1 TD
4 PD
0 FF/1 FR
O Sacks
169 Tackles/102 Solo
9 TFL
3 QB Hits

 

[Pkrjones]

Word on the street is that Wednesday Campbell will become a post-June 1st release, saving GBP $10.5mil on the '24 cap (as of 6/02). Most of us figured would happen, so not a shock.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Absolutely. Our problem is LA and now KC has gotten better production from Tranquil than we are from Devondre the last 2 seasons….
That just tells me Campbell is waaay overpaid as if he’s still playing like an All Pro.

He's not overpaid anymore.... we just added $10M cap space.

That money is better spent on a safety.

Packers will create $10.5 million of salary cap space with release of inside linebacker De’Vondre Campbell on Wednesday

The Packers will cut inside linebacker De'Vondre Campbell on Wednesday with June 1 designation, allowing them to gain $10.5 million of salary cap room.

www.jsonline.com

 

[PikeBadger]

Will there be any dead cap money applied to 24 or 25 years?

 

[mradtke66]

Will there be any dead cap money applied to 24 or 25 years?

Yes. The remaining salary bonus hits have to come due. By declaring him a post-June 1 cut, we get to split the hit over 24 and 25. The catch is that we don't get to use the freed cap space until June 1.

Teams typically do this to help themselves (they don't have to pay roster bonuses when they plan to cut a player) and it's nice to the player. It gives them a chance to latch on to a new team earlier.

No real downside.

 

[PikeBadger]

How much will the dead cap hits be?

 

[AKCheese]

So basically there’s the money for our rookie pool? Or do we have to reserve that in advance?

 

[Firethorn1001]

So basically there’s the money for our rookie pool? Or do we have to reserve that in advance?

Do not believe the rookie pool is computed and counted against the cap until after the draft since picks could change.

 

[Pkrjones]

Per OTC will count $3.657 dead $ towards the '24 cap, but will free-up $10.573mil in cap AFTER 6/01/24. His '25 dead money is the remaining SB which is $7.971mil.

 

[El Guapo]

That's what I read, was the it was $7M+ of dead cap next year. This was the right move. I really liked the Campbell pickup. He played great for a season, but wasn't able to follow it up. Whether its injuries or otherwise (attitude), this was no longer a good deal for the team.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I'm curious to see whether we sign him back on a cheaper one-year deal. Gutekunst said several times last week that he does want him back; just didn't happen to mention any figures.

I don't know if they'd risk a multi-year contract, or much guaranteed money, but somewhere there's a number that Gutekunst thinks is the proper value for Campbell. Just remains to be seen where that number lies.

 

[Pkrjones]

I'm curious to see whether we sign him back on a cheaper one-year deal. Gutekunst said several times last week that he does want him back; just didn't happen to mention any figures.

I don't know if they'd risk a multi-year contract, or much guaranteed money, but somewhere there's a number that Gutekunst thinks is the proper value for Campbell. Just remains to be seen where that number lies.

I think Gute was "talking him up" in public to help him potentially salvage his remaining playing days. Gute can & will find better, younger, cheaper players to play ILB moving forward. No need to re-sign Campbell, imho.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes. The remaining salary bonus hits have to come due. By declaring him a post-June 1 cut, we get to split the hit over 24 and 25. The catch is that we don't get to use the freed cap space until June 1.

Teams typically do this to help themselves (they don't have to pay roster bonuses when they plan to cut a player) and it's nice to the player. It gives them a chance to latch on to a new team earlier.

No real downside.

Unless they have changed the rules, a team is allowed to do this with up to 2 players/contracts per year. I would expect them to do this with both Campbell and Bahk.

 

[mradtke66]

Unless they have changed the rules, a team is allowed to do this with up to 2 players/contracts per year. I would expect them to do this with both Campbell and Bahk.

I don't think there is any benefit to Bahk. He only has one year remaining. You have to have at least 2 years for that to applicable.

 

[PikeBadger]

Do not believe the rookie pool is computed and counted against the cap until after the draft since picks could change.

Can't hardly be before the player even signs his contract and that doesn't happen for a while.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think there is any benefit to Bahk. He only has one year remaining. You have to have at least 2 years for that to applicable.

Good catch and I am pretty sure I pointed that out in a previous post, so I contradicted myself.

Release or Trade the Dead Cap hits all in 2024

2024 Dead Cap: $19,065,514

2025 Dead Cap: $0

2024 Cap Savings: $20,952,797

 

[Firethorn1001]

Can't hardly be before the player even signs his contract and that doesn't happen for a while.

From what I've read in the past, it is like a cap within a cap. They come up with a rookie cap number based on the slotting and then believe everyone takes an immediate cap hit of the minimum rookie salary which then increases when the contract is signed, but the overall rookie cap number is set post draft.

 

[Pkrjones]

De'vondre Campbell may have unofficially retired himself, last night. Butt-hurt that Greenlaw returned to the starting 9'ers lineup Campbell refused to enter the game when Greenlaw's knee/leg tightened up in Q3. When confronted by Shanahan Campbell left the sidelines for the locker room. He took their $4.56mil & quit on the team...hope the other GM's are watching.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Tale of the two Dre's. Dre Greenlaw was seriously injured and worked like crazy to get into the lineup even with only five games left in a disappointing season. De'Vondre not so much. He basically quit on his team in the middle of a game.
I was critical of Andrew Luck when he quit on the Colts and wrecked their season after he walked out after the preseason. At least he didn't pick up his marbles and quit during a game.
De'Vondre just retired himself last night. I can see where somebody can get tired of it all. People quit their jobs all the time. The perplexing thing is he's getting paid a hefty wage. You can't suck it up for five more weeks? Packers moved on from him at the right time.

 

[Krabs]

Tale of the two Dre's. Dre Greenlaw was seriously injured and worked like crazy to get into the lineup even with only five games left in a disappointing season. De'Vondre not so much. He basically quit on his team in the middle of a game.
I was critical of Andrew Luck when he quit on the Colts and wrecked their season after he walked out after the preseason. At least he didn't pick up his marbles and quit during a game.
De'Vondre just retired himself last night. I can see where somebody can get tired of it all. People quit their jobs all the time. The perplexing thing is he's getting paid a hefty wage. You can't suck it up for five more weeks? Packers moved on from him at the right time.

They saw it. He complained when he left and the Packers were the ones that gave him his shot. Good riddance from the Packers and the NFL.

 

[OldSchool101]

I’m not going to pretend to know what’s going on in De’Vondre’s head. I do know firsthand that Sometimes we think a temporary setback is much worse than it really is. SF may have really just wanted to get Greenlaw playing time after a hard fought recovery effort over the last 10 months.

Unfortunately a player simply saying they don’t want to play during a live game is really unforgivable because it’s not only insubordination, it completely destroys any confidence the Staff had in him. It takes years for players to build that confidence to get playing time and just 1 foul decision to wreck all that he’s worked for. The timing couldn’t have been worse. A SF49 Win puts them square in the crosshairs of overtaking that Division. A loss is a Playoff Exit. It’s not like it was :30 seconds left this was 3rd Qtr right?

I just hope the guy is ok. Past being a fan of football this just sounds more like he’s down on himself or has some personal issues going on and idk why but these calls for help seem to happen around the Holidays. So I won’t pile on I hope he’s ok. Nothing in this world can’t be overcome with Faith of a Mustard Seed.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I have nothing against De'Vondre and hope he doesn't have some type of personal crisis. The question is how do you handle it if your passion for the game is really waning? Refusing to go in is not the option. He should understand its a team game and that kind of action is really discouraging for his teammates and coaches. Like I said, he retired himself last night. Since he's been in the NFL for 9 years, he might not regret it but it's a poor way to head for the exit.