Clay Matthews Should Be Cut

[weeds]

This time of year, as the NFL goes, is painful.

 

[Half Empty]

Though I fully agree that cutting him is assanine, I thoroughly disagree that he is our best linebacker. Edge rusher? Sure. Blake Martinez is our best linebacker.

For a somewhat different point of view - http://packersnotes.com/

 

[Dantés]

I think that Martinez is solidly above average. He’s not great, but he’s better than your typical, run of the mill ILB. There’s still room for him to grow too. He’s only entering year 3 and he’s reasonably athletic.

 

[GleefulGary]

Meh. Blake is servicable but only because we have nothing else.

Blake is better than serviceable, and Matthews is still an impactful player.

 

[GleefulGary]

I think that Martinez is solidly above average. He’s not great, but he’s better than your typical, run of the mill ILB. There’s still room for him to grow too. He’s only entering year 3 and he’s reasonably athletic.

Yes!!

We just saw him took a huge step up in play. Why should we think he's done? Players can still improve people!

 

[AmishMafia]

Blake is better than serviceable, and Matthews is still an impactful player.

CM3 is still a good player. Although his play has dropped off, he still moves really well out there. I have seen more missed tackles as of late as well. He played so well for us in the past, that fans over criticize his decline. Blake is definitely on the rise and will overtake a declining Clay in the next few years.

 

[Half Empty]

Let's not forget the $11+ mil cap hit in addition to the decline. I'm pretty sure the complaints would be far less vocal if he didn't have the 9th OLB cap hit this year.

 

[Lawdog]

IMO Clay Matthews is still an impact player. Has Clay been hampered by the lingering injuries and wear and tear because of the physicality of the game yes. I am looking forward to Wilkerson joining the DL I believe this signing will benefit Matthews the most. If you cut Matthews you weaken a position with no one to replace him. I hope Matthews signs an extension after 2018 I would like him to retire a Packer. Just my thoughts.

 

[Dantés]

Let's not forget the $11+ mil cap hit in addition to the decline. I'm pretty sure the complaints would be far less vocal if he didn't have the 9th OLB cap hit this year.

I think everyone agrees that he’s overpaid. He’s in his 30’s and in the last year of a deal that he signed at the peak of his prime. But if you’re going to cut him for cap savings, that only makes you better if you then do something useful to replace him with that space. I don’t even think there was a guy on the market to begin with that would have been worth cutting Matthews for, let alone now.

I’m sure I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know. This is just so absurd.

 

[PackFan2]

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[GreenBaySlacker]

It's time to cut him. He is not an impact defender anymore. The TD pass from Newton to McCaffrey when we got eliminated from the playoffs by Carolina sums up what he is now. All bark no bite. He called out the wrong route, Cam made fun of him pre-snap, then Clay got sonned like a little kid by the left tackle/tripped and fell down. He wasn't a factor on the play and probably confused Josh Jones in the process of trying to be a "leader". I'd like to put Clay's $11 million cap # towards making Aaron happy with his impending mega-extension and go get Harold Landry to be a cheaper, younger, better replacement via the draft. Thoughts?

I'm in full agreement. Besides the guy you picked....don't know much about him. But I would definitely grab a few in the draft like we did with rbs last year...

We need the cap. That's fact. I think it's a matter of time before he gets let go. It's inevitable imo. Cobb , with his youth, might get reworked back into the equasion. He has trade value too. You look at what free agent wrs are getting? He is on the high end when salary/ production are considered. Under used. And has shown he has "it" early in his career. No major injuries. And young still! I expected Jordy to be the stabilizer while we found a new 1b wr. Apparently GB seen Cobb as that guy... dropping two stud wrs would be risky. But adding a te like Graham and adding Montgomery back to the mix, are pluses.
I suspect, with the addition of mo Wilkerson, we will go big ,strong, fast, physical wr at #14. 2nd round at the latest. Bit keeping Cobb allows us to go another direction if the right players aren't there in the draft...

That said. The deciding factor on Mathews and Cobb are both going to be decided in the draft. Imo.

 

[hallzi43]

I think that Martinez is solidly above average. He’s not great, but he’s better than your typical, run of the mill ILB. There’s still room for him to grow too. He’s only entering year 3 and he’s reasonably athletic.

I am not saying cut Blake or anything. But people overstate his performance last season and it doesn't hurt him that the next guy in line is Jake Ryan.

 

[GleefulGary]

Why do we need Clay's cap space? Who would we sign right now that we need that space for?

We still don't have anybody to replace him, the only rookie who could come in right away and suitability replace him would be Chubb (and I love Landry btw). This just isn't logical. He's got a year left, then we can sign a new contract or just move on.

None of this makes any sense to me.

 

[GleefulGary]

People were legit mad about Jordy, and Clay is far more impactful than Jordy at this point.

Some of y'all are dumb.

 

[Mondio]

Why do we need Clay's cap space? Who would we sign right now that we need that space for?

We still don't have anybody to replace him, the only rookie who could come in right away and suitability replace him would be Chubb (and I love Landry btw). This just isn't logical. He's got a year left, then we can sign a new contract or just move on.

None of this makes any sense to me.

ME, i have the measurables. I'm explosive, never mind it's only on the toilet these days. I used to run a 4.5something forty 20+ years ago. 225 for 16 reps, also quite a while ago. But I'm still 5'11" 189 just this morning. Add 'em up, I could be something special. Take a chance on me with Clay's cap space. It could pay off. Makes as much sense as cutting him now for space and Trading Perry for a song and still losing more cap space with him gone this year than if he was here.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Gute should maybe cut him and bring him back on a cheap 1 year vet minimum prove it deal, similar to Jordy. As that is what he is actually worth these days aside from selling jerseys and the lame commercials.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

We really should have 3 threads stickied...just so they don't pop up every now and then with no new content.

1) Clay Matthews should be cut
2) Randall Cobb should be cut
3) Janis should be out #2 WR and #2 CB

That way everyone would be happy.

Don’t paint with such a broad brush I would love to take part in a fire Matthews thread.

 

[Dantés]

Gute should maybe cut him and bring him back on a cheap 1 year vet minimum prove it deal, similar to Jordy. As that is what he is actually worth these days aside from selling jerseys and the lame commercials.

Can you explain why he should agree to that? Or what benefit it would be to the Packers? What could they do with the space?

 

[hallzi43]

Would be about 20 teams lining up to give Matthews 30M through 3 years and we would be left with hoping that Perry lasts a full season of play, Gilbert truly can be a consistent playmaker, or that one of our developmental rookies pans out.

 

[GleefulGary]

Can you explain why he should agree to that? Or what benefit it would be to the Packers? What could they do with the space?

You're dealing with a troll here. Just let him talk to himself.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Can you explain why he should agree to that? Or what benefit it would be to the Packers? What could they do with the space?

He won’t agree, that’s the point, and will move on to disappoint and underachieve on the next team. Very compelling facts your bring up, so you want me to believe that nobody else is capable of playing olb or “edge” position in the entire ******* nfl so let’s just continue to hold on to him for the sake of keeping him. TT being too incompetent to find a replacement over the last how many years is no longer valid. The lines of “there’s nobody else” and “who else you got” are no longer valid. Wake up there are plenty of guys out there, this team was just too complacent with what they had to make a ******* move. The benefits to the packers would be simple not hanging on to the same guy and expecting different results out of him, let’s face it there is only 1 way for Matthews to return to the “glory days” however they do tests for that stuff....

 

[Mondio]

You're dealing with a troll here. Just let him talk to himself.

If it wasn't for you two nuts I wouldn't even know he was talking

 

[Dantés]

He won’t agree, that’s the point, and will move on to disappoint and underachieve on the next team. Very compelling facts your bring up, so you want me to believe that nobody else is capable of playing olb or “edge” position in the entire ******* nfl so let’s just continue to hold on to him for the sake of keeping him. TT being too incompetent to find a replacement over the last how many years is no longer valid. The lines of “there’s nobody else” and “who else you got” are no longer valid. Wake up there are plenty of guys out there, this team was just too complacent with what they had to make a ******* move. The benefits to the packers would be simple not hanging on to the same guy and expecting different results out of him, let’s face it there is only 1 way for Matthews to return to the “glory days” however they do tests for that stuff....

Ok, so if there are all these good options to replace him— give me names. Who are you bringing in with his cap savings to replace or improve on his production today? Or even at any point in this offseason?

Because until you start giving actual names, all this tough guy ******** is utterly meaningless. I’ll wait.

 

[Dantés]

You're dealing with a troll here. Just let him talk to himself.

I had him on ignore, but he’s kind of fun to play with.

 

[Dantés]

I am not saying cut Blake or anything. But people overstate his performance last season and it doesn't hurt him that the next guy in line is Jake Ryan.

Well obviously I disagree