CB, Rasul Douglas

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with the cap position this team is in, I'm not expecting some big contributors like Rasul or Campbell to be back. I'd hope they can find a way to keep them but we knew before anyone took the field this year, we can't keep everyone and that some big time players were likely going to be gone just to get to the cap let alone make any additions.

A one year blip/hit type guy Rasul is much more likely to be back before a Sullivan, King, Yiadom (not worth it), Patrick, Kelly, Mercilus

Few others I think he has a stronger shot than that contracts expire after this year EQ, Benkert, Dafney - some of these are ERFAs though which will save them.

Campbell maybe even....sucks but true.
 

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with the cap position this team is in, I'm not expecting some big contributors like Rasul or Campbell to be back. I'd hope they can find a way to keep them but we knew before anyone took the field this year, we can't keep everyone and that some big time players were likely going to be gone just to get to the cap let alone make any additions.
Realistically, keeping Douglas and Campbell would mean shedding Z'darius and Rodgers along with cutting a bunch of other veterens. Its possible if Gute puts his chips into the defense and guts the offense hoping that a good defense and decent run game can keep the team competitive in a weak division. If Gute could get some high draft picks for trading Rodgers, it might not be the worst option but without knowing what they have in Love, it is at the end of the day, the "best" of a bunch of bad options.
 
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Realistically, keeping Douglas and Campbell would mean shedding Z'darius and Rodgers along with cutting a bunch of other veterens. Its possible if Gute puts his chips into the defense and guts the offense hoping that a good defense and decent run game can keep the team competitive in a weak division. If Gute could get some high draft picks for trading Rodgers, it might not be the worst option but without knowing what they have in Love, it is at the end of the day, the "best" of a bunch of bad options.

The Packers re-signing Douglas and/or Campbell won't be the reason they might need to move on from Rodgers and Z.
 
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with the cap position this team is in, I'm not expecting some big contributors like Rasul or Campbell to be back. I'd hope they can find a way to keep them but we knew before anyone took the field this year, we can't keep everyone and that some big time players were likely going to be gone just to get to the cap let alone make any additions.
I fully agree we have a major capital hurdle to jump. However this is perfect example of the type of guy that could replace a guy like Kevin King and we'd likely sign him for less annual money than King. We took a chance on this kid and gave him the spotlight and that goes a long ways in negotiating future terms. It's hard to find just an average starting CB in this league, those guys normally take 3-4 years to rise, here's one that is starting to peak and might even get better, especially if tasked as our #3 CB. It would be fantastic to go into a draft without CB as one of our top 3 needs for once
 
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We took a chance on this kid and gave him the spotlight and that goes a long ways in negotiating future terms.

Unfortunately I believe that there's a strong possibility Douglas, just like most NFL players, will sign with the team offering the most money next offseason.
 
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Unfortunately I believe that there's a strong possibility Douglas, just like most NFL players, will sign with the team offering the most money next offseason.
I don’t blame him. It’s a cutthroat business and every player is only 1 injury away from his last snap.
 

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I don’t blame him. It’s a cutthroat business and every player is only 1 injury away from his last snap.
If it was me, I would also consider that I am a star for the Packers but a fringe player on other teams. Maybe i just suddenly became elite, but maybe the coaching and system in Green Bay helps me to play really good. I get the "earn while you can" but I think I take less to play with a team where I know I can excell.
 

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I really like Douglas - flash in a pan perhaps? Or coming into his own? He's sure appears to have a knack for hawking the ball. Shed Lowry and Lancaster and keep him.
 

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If it was me, I would also consider that I am a star for the Packers but a fringe player on other teams. Maybe i just suddenly became elite, but maybe the coaching and system in Green Bay helps me to play really good. I get the "earn while you can" but I think I take less to play with a team where I know I can excell.
That's something that I think we all would like to see our favorite players do and some of them actually do it. Its a reasonable consideration but I also think a lot of athletes don't think that way. They think its all them, or at least mostly them. Call it the Frank Sinatra effect, if I can make it there I can make it anywhere. Not to be confused with the Nancy Sinatra effect where those cleats were made for walking. Which, by the way, seems to be what Ndamukong Suh subscribes to as his cleats are walking all over you.

Like you, I'd take less to stay where I have become a star and the fans adore me as well as for the reasons you said but if I'm lucky when my next performance review comes up I'll be lucky to get a 50 cents an hour raise. I'd pretty much go anywhere and do anything else if we were talking the amount of money the Packers will offer.
 
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If it was me, I would also consider that I am a star for the Packers but a fringe player on other teams. Maybe i just suddenly became elite, but maybe the coaching and system in Green Bay helps me to play really good. I get the "earn while you can" but I think I take less to play with a team where I know I can excell.

Unfortunately that seems to be wishful thinking by fans. Most players sign with the team offering the most money.
 

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Unfortunately that seems to be wishful thinking by fans. Most players sign with the team offering the most money.
Yeah, doing what's best for their family almost always means taking 15 million instead of 13 million.

Apparently there is no other consideration that might actually better for their family that an extra couple million dollars can't overcome.
 
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Yeah, doing what's best for their family almost always means taking 15 million instead of 13 million.

Apparently there is no other consideration that might actually better for their family that an extra couple million dollars can't overcome.

With contracts not being guaranteed in the NFL I actually believe that a player who has struggled with several teams but excelled with the Packers would possibly earn more money in total by re-signing with the team for a lesser average because it's more likely he would end up being able to play out the contract instead of being released by another club at some point during the deal.

Unfortunately most players don't seem to agree with me.
 

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With contracts not being guaranteed in the NFL I actually believe that a player who has struggled with several teams but excelled with the Packers would possibly earn more money in total by re-signing with the team for a lesser average because it's more likely he would end up being able to play out the contract instead of being released by another club at some point during the deal.

Unfortunately most players don't seem to agree with me.
Nor do most fans. :D:D:D:D





But in this case I do. Players should ask themselves what made them succeed here and not somewhere else. Like I said I think most players feel its more them than the team and they think they can succeed anywhere now that they have had their chance to prove they can play. They don't think that the Packers (in this case) putting them in the position to succeed is more important than their ability and they don't stop to think that maybe the next team will ask them to do something they don't have the skills to do. If they think about it they feel that they will be able to handle anything asked of them. It's an ego thing for many of them and more money helps feed that ego. That team is offering me more money they must think I'm better than my current team does. On top of all that there is simply more money.
 
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I think it is a business decision. Two million dollars is a bunch of cash. But some will take less to play where they want aka Aaron Jones probably. And some will think about their longevity. We just don't know how many they are because so many re-sign with their team. But I think there is some homerism at play here in the thread.
 

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Nor do most fans. :D:D:D:D





But in this case I do. Players should ask themselves what made them succeed here and not somewhere else. Like I said I think most players feel its more them than the team and they think they can succeed anywhere now that they have had their chance to prove they can play. They don't think that the Packers (in this case) putting them in the position to succeed is more important than their ability and they don't stop to think that maybe the next team will ask them to do something they don't have the skills to do. If they think about it they feel that they will be able to handle anything asked of them. It's an ego thing for many of them and more money helps feed that ego. That team is offering me more money they must think I'm better than my current team does. On top of all that there is simply more money.

I'd love to see a middle ground with him higher salary than perhaps GB wants, but with team friendly guaranteed amounts. Rasul nor GB knows and can predict is this a hot streak in his career or is it something which will be sustained now that he found a place that works.
 
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Nor do most fans. :D:D:D:D

That's unfortunate as well as agreeing with me would be smart for a lot of fans :D

I'd love to see a middle ground with him higher salary than perhaps GB wants, but with team friendly guaranteed amounts.

The Packers would most likely offer Douglas a deal with a minimum base salary for next season and some guranteeed money to spread out over some years to fit him under the cap in 2022.
 

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The Packers would most likely offer Douglas a deal with a minimum base salary for next season and some guranteeed money to spread out over some years to fit him under the cap in 2022.
The coming games this season will likely have a huge effect on what they will offer him. You can only make a guess as to what they would do today imho.
 
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What’s his market? I mean we paid Kevin King $5M and I’d rather have him than King.
Maybe 2X$7.5M ? . unless he just completely crashes n burns

There’s a 99% he walks if we’re anywhere close to vet minimum. That’s bordering on insulting after what he’s shown imo
 
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The coming games this season will likely have a huge effect on what they will offer him. You can only make a guess as to what they would do today imho.
This is spot on. The GMs for downtrodden teams will be watching the playoffs. A player's stock can shoot up in the playoffs or drop like a rock. I look back to 2016 when Nick Perry had a good run (as the backup!) in the playoffs, especially against Dallas. Teams saw his play and he was in hot demand during the 2017 free agency lead-up. We re-signed him for 5yrs-$60M. He always had potential but never could stay healthy. It seemed a big risk at the time but the market, driven by his success in 2016 led to us paying way more than he should have been paid. Obviously TT blew that but it still goes to show how the playoffs can radically inflate a player's value.
 

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If we win the Super Bowl, I have no doubt a guy like Rasul or Campbell will get a nice fat contract somewhere else. Happens all the time. Many of them go on and do nothing of note in their new place.

That said, I see those 2 guys and how they're playing and I hope nothing but the best financially for both of them regardless of how the season ends.
 
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If we win the Super Bowl, I have no doubt a guy like Rasul or Campbell will get a nice fat contract somewhere else. Happens all the time. Many of them go on and do nothing of note in their new place.

That said, I see those 2 guys and how they're playing and I hope nothing but the best financially for both of them regardless of how the season ends.
I agree. That’s why it’s good to put an offer in now, before the market surpasses our available checking balance.
 

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I agree. That’s why it’s good to put an offer in now, before the market surpasses our available checking balance.
I think it would be very difficult for the Packers to put in any offers to anyone right now given the uncertainty of their cap situation next year. I say uncertainty meaning they are uncertain how they will fix it because one thing is certain it is a mess.
 
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This is spot on. The GMs for downtrodden teams will be watching the playoffs. A player's stock can shoot up in the playoffs or drop like a rock. I look back to 2016 when Nick Perry had a good run (as the backup!) in the playoffs, especially against Dallas. Teams saw his play and he was in hot demand during the 2017 free agency lead-up. We re-signed him for 5yrs-$60M. He always had potential but never could stay healthy. It seemed a big risk at the time but the market, driven by his success in 2016 led to us paying way more than he should have been paid. Obviously TT blew that but it still goes to show how the playoffs can radically inflate a player's value.

Perry played well during the regular season in 2016 as well, totaling 11 sacks in 14 games.
 
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