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The team has been playing really well heading into the playoffs. I'm not convinced putting Lillard back in is a good idea, but if the Drs say he's ready, he'll play. DVT is very serious, but the docs won't put him out there unless there is near-zero risk.

A win on the road to get things started would be big. They're gonna have to win one of the road games so may as well start now.
The Bucks have won like, 8 or 9 in row to end out the season and I'm just wondering out loud if that is because they're a better "team" without Lillard? Anyway, I'd love to see them blow out Indiana in 4 just because Haliburton is an Oshkosh kid ... and he's kind of had his way with the Bucks and he does gloat about it too.
 
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I got to see the guy play when I was in high school - JFK Prep played in my hometown and I remember the hub-bub surrounding this guy. I didn't play HS BB beyond frosh year because our coach ran a very controlled BORING game and I too was influenced by Pete Maravich ( I was all "score" but would be fouled out halfway through the 3rd - yeah, I was a hacker who preferred football). The long hair would NOT have cut it where I went to school. We had what we called an "Industrial League" sponsored by the Athletic Association for those of us who run 'n' gun, hacking, behind the back and between the legs passing ... you know, the FUN game.... and, floppy hair gotta have the floppy hair which drove my Dad nuts.

Anyway, all I remember about that particular game was that his team mates all just seemed to stand around because it was Mickey's game. Back in the day, we called guys like Crowe "ball hogs"...he'd take the in-bound, dribble the length of the court and inevitably shoot - it was almost like watching the Harlem Globetrotters - you almost could predict how any one possession was going to end.
This is exactly the point I was making about our coach and watching guys who get the ball hog title whether earned or not. This is even the problem with the Bucks, with Giannis and Lillard.
 
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The Bucks have won like, 8 or 9 in row to end out the season and I'm just wondering out loud if that is because they're a better "team" without Lillard? Anyway, I'd love to see them blow out Indiana in 4 just because Haliburton is an Oshkosh kid ... and he's kind of had his way with the Bucks and he does gloat about it too.
Exactly the point I was making about sometimes subtractions become a positive. Without Lillard, players were able to play their game and make their marks. With him back, they end up being sent to the bench getting clean up minutes. With any luck, he won't get a lot of floor time and it will give guys a chance to make an impact on the floor.
 

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You don't see a score get reversed too often, but Pacers up 74-47.

Could be worse, it could be 84-48!
 

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I didn't watch any of the game, but just looked at the Box Score. Kuzma with 22 minutes and ZERO points? Prince, 20 minutes, ZERO points. :eek:

Giannis scored 36, Even if he scored 50, it doesn't change the outcome of this game.
 
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It all begins with the guy running the team from the sidelines. Then it gets worse. Especially when he makes the decision that it's going to be a one-man-show and everyone else can clean up the scraps. They didn't have a chance, and not once did they play defense throughout the entire game. They should have lost by 40.

Clean sweep, front office, coaches, and star players. Time to start over with a new culture. Probably should be new ownership too..
 

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Your top 6, Giannis, Brook, Kuzma, Prince, Porter, and Rollins shot 1-15 from 3 pt land, and 2 starters went scoreless... Embarrassing start to the Playoffs.
 

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If the Bucks get blown out again in Game 2, if they haven't already, I can see them emotionally checking out for the final 2 games.
 
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I'm finding more writers are seeing what I have with Rivers and his poor lineup structuring. He seems unwilling to use the productive lineup the Bucks do have available on the floor, favoring more of a forced matchup philosophy which his detracting from the defense, and putting players in poor situations on rotations because of demands created by the decisions. When you start hearing about it from people like Shaq, Barkley, and Perkins, you realize that what you saw wasn't just in your own mind but able to be seen by others who know the intricacies of the game at a higher level. Doc is the majority of the problem on the Bucks sideline because of his stubborn approach to using his theoretical best matchup lineup versus the opposition instead of his most productive and best defensive lineup.

The best starting lineup the Bucks can use, and substitute around it, is as follows. Giannis, Portis, Trent, Porter, Rollins. Then use the sub rotations of Lopez for both Giannis & Portis, Kuzma at the #3, and mix it up with Connaughton, Prince, and Jackson to rotate singularly into one of the #1 through #3 spots on the floor, at the 3rd level, to maintain fresh legs on the top 8. When you play a team like the Pacers, your legs make the difference, and the reality is the Bucks don't have that kind of leg strength to compete for 4 quarters without using their most productive lineup to insure they can have solid runs in the paint that can build lead, or hack into and destroy leads by the other team. Incidentally, I believe that would be our best defensive lineups as well, and Kuzma's utilization would be more effective, and his shooting numbers would go up.

In the NBA, it's no longer productive for a team to rely on matchups, because when you do, you're essentially telling the other team that you are willing to play their game, not your own. You have to establish at the start of the game that you intend to dominate them with your starting lineup, then allow those starters to refresh their legs, one at a time, not with wholesale changes. This means that you don't wait until there's 3 minutes left to go in the first quarter before you start making changes. You need to start when you're 4 or 5 minutes in, to shake up the opposition's decisions on how they can best matchup against you, not the opposite.

Doc fails miserably at this. He's so into his own personal beliefs on what works and seems to think he's so much brighter than the minds on the other team, or even his own assistants. To me, he's always been a failure because of his lack of understanding that his evaluations are not the criteria as to how well a team plays together, but the chemistry that binds the players together out there when they are on the floor together.

But that's just my opinion, and I never have, nor will be, an NBA coach. The Bucks need to steal one tonight in Indiana. They need to show everyone they're still a better team than the Pacers. Lose this one and you may as well pack your tent and head home.
 
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Too little, too late. The score of the Bucks/Pacers game isn't really the tale of what happened. The Bucks were blown out. That 4th quarter surge might look good on paper but the reality is, they weren't in the contest.

Lillard once again played zero defense, and on two specific occasions, he failed to give back-side help to Kuzma and Portis, and it gave Tyrese Halliburton easy drives to the bucket.

I think the Bucks win the next one, in Milwaukee, then get knocked out in 5. This team just doesn't have the unity needed to win championships. It's time to blow it up.
 
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Game 3 was more along the lines of what the Bucks should have been doing all year. If you noticed, they used a lot less Lillard, and pushed the ball down the floor because they had a second guy out there scoring who could also play D. If they continue to use this type of lineup, and get more bench firepower because of it, they could win this series against Indiana. Game 4 tonight at 8:30 PM, CDT. TNT.
 
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Not even close in game 4. Nothing to discuss. It's over. Game 5 will belong to the Pacers.

This team will be split up at the end of this year. Lots of changes needed.
 

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Lillard is feared to have torn his left Achilles tendon. Not that it would have changed much of this season to have him, but if its bad, he won't play next year and if he once had any trade value, that is gone. His contract allows him the option of staying with the Bucks in 2026-27.
 

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Lillard is feared to have torn his left Achilles tendon. Not that it would have changed much of this season to have him, but if its bad, he won't play next year and if he once had any trade value, that is gone. His contract allows him the option of staying with the Bucks in 2026-27.
May as well be an unmerciful end to an unmerciful season.
 

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Did we see Giannis play his last game in a Bucks uniform tonight?

Well, I shouldn't say "see", at least for me. Once again the game was blacked out in the Madison area. Not sure if the NBA/Network greed did me a favor or not, I did watch a good movie instead.

The "Highlights" looked like typical Bucks. A must win game and they choke at the end of regulation and OT. They had a fricking 7 point lead with under 40 seconds to go in OT, and lost


Horst and Doc need to be GONE.
 
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Did we see Giannis play his last game in a Bucks uniform tonight?

Well, I shouldn't say "see", at least for me. Once again the game was blacked out in the Madison area. Not sure if the NBA/Network greed did me a favor or not, I did watch a good movie instead.

The "Highlights" looked like typical Bucks. A must win game and they choke at the end of regulation and OT. They had a fricking 7 point lead with under 40 seconds to go in OT, and lost


Horst and Doc need to be GONE.
Early in the game, Rivers was making the right moves, then he started using players out of sync in the rotation and the wheels fell off. During the last 90 seconds of regulation time, the starters on the floor were exhausted, and the Pacers had stronger legs. They took it to the Bucks and they couldn't do anything in response and ended up tying the game because of a foolish turnover. In OT, the Bucks had a nice lead with about a minute left and their legs were gone. The Pacers walked right past them for the win.

Rivers is a horrible coach. Horst is a horrible GM. The organization is totally screwed up.

If I was a free agent at this point in time, I'd tell them I'm going somewhere else.... anywhere.... just not playing another minute with the Bucks because of the way they're run.

We're back to being the "Death Valley" of the NBA and that title is going to stick until long after I'm no longer around to watch them flounder. At 84, I don't have time for a Lasrey 10 year rebuild program around misfit hires.
 

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I'm finding more writers are seeing what I have with Rivers and his poor lineup structuring. He seems unwilling to use the productive lineup the Bucks do have available on the floor, favoring more of a forced matchup philosophy which his detracting from the defense, and putting players in poor situations on rotations because of demands created by the decisions. When you start hearing about it from people like Shaq, Barkley, and Perkins, you realize that what you saw wasn't just in your own mind but able to be seen by others who know the intricacies of the game at a higher level. Doc is the majority of the problem on the Bucks sideline because of his stubborn approach to using his theoretical best matchup lineup versus the opposition instead of his most productive and best defensive lineup.

The best starting lineup the Bucks can use, and substitute around it, is as follows. Giannis, Portis, Trent, Porter, Rollins. Then use the sub rotations of Lopez for both Giannis & Portis, Kuzma at the #3, and mix it up with Connaughton, Prince, and Jackson to rotate singularly into one of the #1 through #3 spots on the floor, at the 3rd level, to maintain fresh legs on the top 8. When you play a team like the Pacers, your legs make the difference, and the reality is the Bucks don't have that kind of leg strength to compete for 4 quarters without using their most productive lineup to insure they can have solid runs in the paint that can build lead, or hack into and destroy leads by the other team. Incidentally, I believe that would be our best defensive lineups as well, and Kuzma's utilization would be more effective, and his shooting numbers would go up.

In the NBA, it's no longer productive for a team to rely on matchups, because when you do, you're essentially telling the other team that you are willing to play their game, not your own. You have to establish at the start of the game that you intend to dominate them with your starting lineup, then allow those starters to refresh their legs, one at a time, not with wholesale changes. This means that you don't wait until there's 3 minutes left to go in the first quarter before you start making changes. You need to start when you're 4 or 5 minutes in, to shake up the opposition's decisions on how they can best matchup against you, not the opposite.

Doc fails miserably at this. He's so into his own personal beliefs on what works and seems to think he's so much brighter than the minds on the other team, or even his own assistants. To me, he's always been a failure because of his lack of understanding that his evaluations are not the criteria as to how well a team plays together, but the chemistry that binds the players together out there when they are on the floor together.

But that's just my opinion, and I never have, nor will be, an NBA coach. The Bucks need to steal one tonight in Indiana. They need to show everyone they're still a better team than the Pacers. Lose this one and you may as well pack your tent and head home.
I put more blame on this sorry season on the FO than Doc. It is hard to make chicken salad out of chicken droppings. Losing Lillard hurt but was Kuzma the difference maker we all hoped for? Simmons got hurt and missed most of his time as a member of the team. Porter had his moments but not enough of them. Lopez is getting too slow and was finally benched. Losing Portis down the stretch really hurt. How many of those games were lost because of his absence? If we would have won half of those games we aren't on the road in the playoffs.

But realistically nobody in the East - even Boston - is going to beat Cleveland this year. However, in the end I wouldn't be surprised to see OKC win it all.
 
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