Brown traded to Raiders

[gopkrs]

I have to admit...if we had Brown and Adams...WoW! Do wonder how fast Brown is going to want more money. And we need some offensive linemen for it to really pay off.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Maybe if it was Julio Jones. While I agree Antonio Brown is a talented guy, how much of his talent was on the field for the Steelers with the playoffs on the line? What do his teammates and coaches think of him? When you are investing draft capital and that much money, very hard to ignore character of said player.

If Gute would even consider AB it would have to come after AB has been interviewed and shows that somehow he is a changed man, but words are cheap and old habits die hard, I doubt just him saying "I will be a team guy and I want to do whatever is best for the Packer organization" would change Gute's mind.

Antonio Brown is the best WR in the NFL. Big Ben is the guy that stinks on the road. Brown's contract, coupled with his talent, makes this a no-brainer. I guess I don't understand the whole idea that the Packers could somehow add more value to the team with $13m than adding fricking Antonio Brown. Investing the 12th overall pick and a bargain contract you aren't ignoring the character, you're admitting the character might be a problem and that's why you're only paying him approx $3m more per year than freaking Cobb.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I’d rather that #12 turn into a young BJ raji or clay Matthews impact player than move it to get may 1 or 2 headache filled seasons from Brown.

I would t give anything more than a 2nd or 3rd and even for the 2nd I’d have to think long and hard before committing to it

Oh please don't mention Raji as a potential comp for whoever the Packers get at 12.

And I guarantee any headaches that Brown causes will be quickly forgotten on his way to 1,500 yards receiving with the Packers.

If Brown was going to cost the team $20m a year, I might agree that the 12th pick is too high, but the guy is costing the team less than $13m a year if they trade for him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Antonio Brown is the best WR in the NFL. Big Ben is the guy that stinks on the road. Brown's contract, coupled with his talent, makes this a no-brainer. I guess I don't understand the whole idea that the Packers could somehow add more value to the team with $13m than adding fricking Antonio Brown. Investing the 12th overall pick and a bargain contract you aren't ignoring the character, you're admitting the character might be a problem and that's why you're only paying him approx $3m more per year than freaking Cobb.

No doubt, if AB goes about his business, becomes a good teammate and puts up the kind of stats he has, he would be a bargain. However, using Cobb as a reason to sign him? Cobb under performed his contract no doubt, but I didn't see him as a poison apple when he was or wasn't playing. That would be like saying we should sign any disgruntled, character flawed OLB, as long as they are better than Clay Matthews.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Oh please don't mention Raji as a potential comp for whoever the Packers get at 12.

And I guarantee any headaches that Brown causes will be quickly forgotten on his way to 1,500 yards receiving with the Packers.

If Brown was going to cost the team $20m a year, I might agree that the 12th pick is too high, but the guy is costing the team less than $13m a year if they trade for him.

Why do you think Pittsburgh wants to get rid of one of the best WR's in the game, while taking a nasty cap hit in the process?

This reminds me a bit of the Dez Bryant situation. Some strictly wanting to look at how talented the guy is. Obviously, AB at this point in his career is better than what Bryant was last year at this time.

 

[sschind]

Maybe if it was Julio Jones. While I agree Antonio Brown is a talented guy, how much of his talent was on the field for the Steelers with the playoffs on the line? What do his teammates and coaches think of him? When you are investing draft capital and that much money, very hard to ignore character of said player.

If Gute would even consider AB it would have to come after AB has been interviewed and shows that somehow he is a changed man, but words are cheap and old habits die hard, I doubt just him saying "I will be a team guy and I want to do whatever is best for the Packer organization" would change Gute's mind.

So in addition to Cher and Madonna you are an Air Supply fan too

 

[sschind]

I don't think I would give up the #12 as I am hoping for a big impact player at either edge rusher or even OL but I would seriously consider the Saints pick and certainly our 2nd rounder. While I would rather address our WR need with a young guy with a longer potential shelf life and much cheaper I realize that is nowhere near a given so getting AB's talent would be very hard to pass pass up.

 

[Mondio]

Oh please don't mention Raji as a potential comp for whoever the Packers get at 12.

And I guarantee any headaches that Brown causes will be quickly forgotten on his way to 1,500 yards receiving with the Packers.

If Brown was going to cost the team $20m a year, I might agree that the 12th pick is too high, but the guy is costing the team less than $13m a year if they trade for him.

Why not? His first couple years here he was a beast. I did say a young raji, not have a career like raji. And yes, I’d draft that over trading for Brown who won’t last 2 years with his new team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So in addition to Cher and Madonna you are an Air Supply fan too

Old Habbits Die Hard....isn't that a Jagger song?

As far as Air Supply, I am not sharing my play list with you anymore, I am all out of love and even the nights are better....without you.

 

[Half Empty]

Yes...anyone suggesting otherwise is not being realistic about how much talent trumps everything else in football. Getting the best WR in the NFL for the 12th pick in the draft is a slam dunk.

Probably quite true. When does the best hit the market?

 

[Arod2gjdd]

I expect significant leaps from both MVS and EQ in year two. They are real players. And Allison is no scrub. These guys are learning from Adams, who learned from Cobb and Nelson, who learned from Jennings, who learned from Driver. I like this approach. I like our talent.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. WIDE RECEIVER IS NOT A NEED.

Please just get me a defender that can DISRUPT a game with that pick. We had like 3 turnover this year. Pretty please?

Edit: UNLESS there is an absolute home run guard. But apparently this class is weighed heavily towards defense, specifically pass rushers. Just what the doctor ordered.

 

[gbgary]

Why do you think Pittsburgh wants to get rid of one of the best WR's in the game, while taking a nasty cap hit in the process?

This reminds me a bit of the Dez Bryant situation. Some strictly wanting to look at how talented the guy is. Obviously, AB at this point in his career is better than what Bryant was last year at this time.

depends on what they get in return in a trade. they'll certainly not release him. he's got 3 years left on his contract. i'm against going for him though. the driving-off-into-a-ditch factor is too high.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

I expect significant leaps from both MVS and EQ in year two. They are real players. And Allison is no scrub. These guys are learning from Adams, who learned from Cobb and Nelson, who learned from Jennings, who learned from Driver. I like this approach. I like our talent.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. WIDE RECEIVER IS NOT A NEED.

This.

I'm tired of everyone looking at MVS and EQSB as guys who should be on the street. They were ROOKIES!!!! They will now have a year of NFL experience along with a full NFL offseason to get better. There might be a bit of a learning curve depending on LaFleur's/Monken's(speaking it into existence) offense but regardless the chemistry built with AR last year should only get better. These two guys are his new weapons, get behind them just like you did LaFleur.

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

Just putting this out there, Antonio Browns rookie stats:
16 catches, 167 yards, 0 td’s. Even great receivers usually take time to learn in the NFL. Our rookies likely will be better next year, and usually it takes 3 years before you see a breakout season.

 

[thequick12]

Just putting this out there, Antonio Browns rookie stats:
16 catches, 167 yards, 0 td’s. Even great receivers usually take time to learn in the NFL. Our rookies likely will be better next year, and usually it takes 3 years before you see a breakout season.

Mvs and eq both look to have promising careers ahead of them but that doesn't mean the team wouldn't benefit greatly from having two top 5 wrs to go along with 2 promising 2nd year players. I think itd be great to get back to the kind of wr quality they had from around 2007 to 2012 or so. I think that's the way you maximize a QB like Brett favre or Aaron Rodgers etc

 

[Jerellh528]

I expect significant leaps from both MVS and EQ in year two. They are real players. And Allison is no scrub. These guys are learning from Adams, who learned from Cobb and Nelson, who learned from Jennings, who learned from Driver. I like this approach. I like our talent.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. WIDE RECEIVER IS NOT A NEED.

Please just get me a defender that can DISRUPT a game with that pick. We had like 3 turnover this year. Pretty please?

Edit: UNLESS there is an absolute home run guard. But apparently this class is weighed heavily towards defense, specifically pass rushers. Just what the doctor ordered.

I’m expecting Cobb to be let go, I still think we need to draft a slot guy who has the speed and playmaking ability to take a short one to the house. Both mvs and EQ look like outside guys to me, but maybe they’ll coach up EQ to be more effective in the slot. Still I wouldn’t mind if they drafted a shallow to middle of the field guy who can break a few off. Hollywood brown with our second rounder would be awesome imo.

 

[Heyjoe4]

After the drama of this last week, it's nearly impossible to see the Steelers bringing back Antonio Brown. He's a generational wide receiver, sure Hall of Famer, not particularly young anymore but has not shown much decline yet either, performance-wise.

The late 1st from the Saints isn't enough, but the #12 pick is probably enough to get the Steelers to simply move on at this point, and we'd still have our usual late 1st round pick.

The upside is you would have two elite wide receivers with Aaron Rodgers, creating matchup nightmares and potentially transforming the offense back into an elite unit overnight.

The downside would be having a distraction on the team if Brown has a hard time sharing the WR spotlight, which seems to have been an issue for him with Smith-Schuster this year.

Would you do it?

Quick answer, no. There are other, better choices than an aging but talented WR. The Pack can do better with less cost and less distraction.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

I think with pick 12 you're hoping to get a franchise player - in this case an edge rusher who can stay with the team for ten years. Brown may be a great player, but I don't see us giving up our highest pick - which has not been a common occurrence, for a couple year rental at a big salary cap hit.

 

[adambr2]

After thinking about it, I would probably not do the #12 pick for Brown, but I would almost certainly do the late Saints pick. You're just not going to find a guy at #30 who is going to have the impact of Brown on the team. You're just not.

However, even at #12, it's a roll of the dice. You'll get a franchise player if you're lucky, or you could get a total bust. More likely than either, you'll end up with a solid contributor, but nothing more.

And I would be very disappointed if we ended up with another BJ Raji. The guy was okay as a rookie and then had a great sophomore season. And then he thought he was better than he was, got lazy, thankfully turned down big money, and stunk up the joint for 4 seasons.

It's amazing to me how much he's been overrated in retrospect because of a touchdown dance. It says a lot that he had to take a 'hiatus' from the league in his 20's. That was 3 years ago and there hasn't been a whiff of him returning since.

BJ Raji is not someone we should want to draft again.

 

[Mondio]

I said someone that plays like a young BJ Raji and clarified not someone that has a career like him. I’d take a young clay Matthews too.

 

[adambr2]

I said someone that plays like a young BJ Raji and clarified not someone that has a career like him. I’d take a young clay Matthews too.

Sure, if he can maintain his play from the '10-'11 season.

And yeah, I'd like an elite edge rusher that Matthews once was even more. I like our D-Line if we can get a healthy Clark and Daniels all season.

 

[sschind]

This.

I'm tired of everyone looking at MVS and EQSB as guys who should be on the street. They were ROOKIES!!!! They will now have a year of NFL experience along with a full NFL offseason to get better. There might be a bit of a learning curve depending on LaFleur's/Monken's(speaking it into existence) offense but regardless the chemistry built with AR last year should only get better. These two guys are his new weapons, get behind them just like you did LaFleur.

And I'm tired of everyone looking at MVS and WQSB as if they should be in the HOF already. They had fairly productive rookie seasons, made some great plays, and showed lots of promise. Just like hundreds of other young WRs that never panned out. I wonder how their stats would have looked had Allison not missed most of the year and Cobb would have been healthy all season? Not nearly as good is my guess.

I like what I see from them so far as well but the fact is that if Cobb leaves we have no one except Adams with a considerable amount of game experience who is not coming of a serious injury. I hope to heck they do have breakout seasons because if we don't sign an experienced WR (if Cobb leaves) we are sure going to need them because the way it looks now our WRs( besides Adams) are a very unproven group. I am also tired of the "we have Aaron freaking Rodgers he can make any WR into an all star"

I think that since we are both so tired we might both need a nap.

P.S. I know you never said they should be in the HOF but I don't think I ever read anything from anyone who said they should be on the street either so as far as ridiculous claims you started it.

 

[sschind]

Just putting this out there, Antonio Browns rookie stats:
16 catches, 167 yards, 0 td’s. Even great receivers usually take time to learn in the NFL. Our rookies likely will be better next year, and usually it takes 3 years before you see a breakout season.

Just putting this out there Antonio Browns receiving team mates as a rookie. Mike Wallace, Hines Ward (both played in all 16 games by the way) Heath Miller and Emmanuel Sanders (also a rookie)

A much better stable of pass catchers to keep him on the bench than EQSB or MVS had if you ask me.

Again, I hope the heck they are better next year because we are going to need them to step up big if we follow your advice and don't add another established WR.

They may very well step up but I'd rather not rely on it. I'm not saying signing Brown is the way to go but we do need help. I for one would rather bring in Golden Tate.

 

[sschind]

Probably quite true. When does the best hit the market?

Rumor has it that they are working on an extension so he will most likely stay in Atlanta for a while. On the off chance you weren't talking about him Hopkins is under contract until 2022

 

[FL-PACKERfan]

Rapoport tweet saying NFL GMs thinking Brown will at least get a 2nd rounder.