Brown traded to Raiders

[weeds]

You mean like we SHOULD'VE did with Khalil Mack?

I don't think it was for a lack of trying. In the end, I believe the Raiders believed the Bears' draft picks would be a heckuva lot more valuable than Green Bay's.

 

[weeds]

You meant to say games Favre costed us right because of his bone headedness?

Well considering we're getting our ***** kicked despite addressing the defensive side what else is there to do? We clearly needed a defensive disrupter like Mack and yet we didn't get him, who would've made a difference.

So you tell me.

I can't tell you. What I can say is building a juggernaut offense year-in-and-year-out specifically to out-score your own defensive shortcomings is like bailing out a leaking boat with a teaspoon - see 2011 and 2008. Yeah, Mack would have been a great addition to be sure from an "on the field" standpoint. From a cap standpoint over the long-haul?, maybe not. Again, my crystal ball needs new batteries.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Being top 15 rookies in receptions and yards means doesn't equate them to having good chemistry or Rodgers giving them much of a chance. If you play as much as they did with Aaron Rodgers as your QB, I'd expect AT LEAST top 10 rookies in those stats when they are playing that often. It seemed like unless they were wide open, AR wouldn't go their way (and sometimes Rodgers didn't even throw it to the open guys). Maybe some of AR's criticism is valid, or maybe he just never gave them a fair shot. I'm more so going with the latter because he gave James Jones plenty of shots when he dropped ball after ball early in his career. Regardless AR's relationship with MVS and EQ needs to be much better.

You're expecting way too much out of rookie receivers, especially considering all of the Packers ones were drafted on day three.

Both MVS and EQ finishing in the top 15 is a promising sign moving forward.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

You're expecting way too much out of rookie receivers, especially considering all of the Packers ones were drafted on day three.

Both MVS and EQ finishing in the top 15 is a promising sign moving forward.

Considering these guys were the 19th and 25th receivers taken in last years draft, my expectations should be even higher than finishing top 15 in rookie stats. Also throw in they are getting a lot more playing time than some of those other top 18 guys drafted ahead of them (including J'Mon Moore).

We will never know MVS and EQ's full potential until #12 fully trusts them.

 

[El Guapo]

The stat that I heard on one of the Packers podcasts is that MVS had a better rookie season (stats-wise) than any Packers rookie, except for Antonio Freeman. People need to remember how long in typically takes for receivers to figure it out, unless you luck into a Randy Moss.

 

[morango]

Would you do it?

Not in a million years!!!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Considering these guys were the 19th and 25th receivers taken in last years draft, my expectations should be even higher than finishing top 15 in rookie stats. Also throw in they are getting a lot more playing time than some of those other top 18 guys drafted ahead of them (including J'Mon Moore).

Both MVS and EQ were among the top 10 rookie receivers in yards per routes run but I get it by now that you won't allow facts get in the way of believing that Rodgers was terrible in using day three rookie WRs this season.

The stat that I heard on one of the Packers podcasts is that MVS had a better rookie season (stats-wise) than any Packers rookie, except for Antonio Freeman.

That's not true, MVS ranks tied for eighth (with Adams) among rookies in team history in receptions as well as seventh in receiving yards. He had a better campaign than every other rookie since James Jones in 2007 though.

 

[AmishMafia]

. . . MVS ranks tied for eighth (with Adams) among rookies in team history in receptions as well as seventh in receiving yards. He had a better campaign than every other rookie since James Jones in 2007 though.

Nice! I suspect all the rookies ahead of him on that list were drafted higher, though.

I am amazed that you need to defend MVS to any Packer fan.

And consider that the biggest knock on him in the draft is that he was really raw. To have this much success this early was not expected by anyone except for MVS's mom. The future looks very bright for this young man as well as EQ.

 

[Mondio]

Both guys definitely have room for improvement, and they have both shown they have the skills to work with. I'm excited for both of them. Of course they have to put in the work and make the jumps, but it is a rarity for players to be all they're going to be when they get out of college. A couple seasons of growth and maturity is expected, or should be, before they start to realize their full potential. College football, is not professional football. It's not even close.

oh, and no thanks for AB just to stay on topic. I'd take him and his salary for a 5th round pick and they can give us a 3rd back and AB. How's that?

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Both MVS and EQ were among the top 10 rookie receivers in yards per routes run but I get it by now that you won't allow facts get in the way of believing that Rodgers was terrible in using day three rookie WRs this season.

The only facts you gave me were they were TOP 15 Rookies. I was basing they were top 15 stat rookies based on what you told me so don't kill the messenger

These guys were put in a tough spot but I still stand by what I said. Being top 15 or (finding generous stats) top 10 in rookie stats isn't that impressive with that number of snaps. I'd be very happy to have them as 4th/5th receiving options (worst case scenario 3rd/4th options) heading into 2019. The reason I had higher expectations for better stats/production is because of AR's track record. I've stated in our replies that Rodgers deserves a lot of blame, probably more blame than MVS and EQ.

 

[HardRightEdge]

For the record, the Packers would have had to release a player, most likely Matthews, to have enough cap space to acquire Mack.

I don't think anybody would have had a problem with that aspect. It's what the cap space would be looking like right now (very little) and the picks given up. You can't reload a team with one player and then have to wait another year to find out that is so.

 

[adambr2]

The concern over Brown's contract is quite overblown. If we were to trade for him, it's essentially signing Brown to a 3 year deal for less than $39M, with cap hits of $15.1M in 2019, $12.5M in 2020, and $11.3M in 2021. That's a massive bargain for a receiver of his caliber. We are not responsible for his signing bonus, the Steelers are. Also meaning, worst case scenario, if he fell off a cliff after 2019 or 2020 and we wanted to get off the hook, we could release him and not owe another penny.

Look, I don't know if it's the right move or not, but we are basically at a phase in our franchise right now where we are going for a quick reload with a 35 year old QB. It's not a great place to be. So the time to play things cool and conservatively, that time has passed. I know what the downside of this move is. The downside could be Brown is a distraction and we still can't function right as an offense. I also know what the upside is, too. The upside is that all of the sudden the best QB in football has two elite and trusted WR1s, its the Patriots 2007 offense all over again, and we go on to win Super Bowl 54. That's the upside, and taking a massive risk at this stage in the last window of Rodgers' career is not the worst possible idea in the world.

 

[Snoops]

When rodgers is done we are gonna suck anyways we ain’t gonna get that lucky with another qb imo so why not go all out these next 3 yrs like Denver did with manning

 

[thequick12]

Yeah the more I think about it the more I think it's a good idea. I mean who would you rather have leveon Bell or Antonio brown? Similar type dudes it seems both would help I think Brown would help more. And his deal 3 years 39 million is very reasonable as mentioned. The bad part is you are going to have to give up a 1st round pick. And I think #12 is too much but #32 is too little so I guess here's to hoping the saints lose next week. Or I guess another possibility would be swapping first with the Steelers. That would be a move up of 8 spots for the Steelers. A value of 350 points on the trade chart equal to pick #55 so a 2nd rounder essentially but really it's more valuable than that because it's a first. So really shouldn't have to give much more than that and say a 3rd or 4th rounder that puts the trade chart value at 765 or 630 respectively. Equal to roughly the 23rd or 29th picks n the first round.
For a swap of firsts and a 4th I do it for sure 100% right now. For swap of firsts and a 3rd probably still do it as I think having Rodgers and two top 5 wrs would be well worth it. Plus you still have 2 firsts in that scenario you could either use or package to get back up towards the top 10

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sounds like the Steelers aren't expecting to have Antonio Brown on the team by the time training camp opens......let the trade talks resume!

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...mors-steelers-art-rooney/stories/201901100125

 

[AmishMafia]

Yeah the more I think about it the more I think it's a good idea. I mean who would you rather have leveon Bell or Antonio brown? Similar type dudes it seems both would help I think Brown would help more. And his deal 3 years 39 million is very reasonable as mentioned. The bad part is you are going to have to give up a 1st round pick. And I think #12 is too much but #32 is too little so I guess here's to hoping the saints lose next week. Or I guess another possibility would be swapping first with the Steelers. That would be a move up of 8 spots for the Steelers. A value of 350 points on the trade chart equal to pick #55 so a 2nd rounder essentially but really it's more valuable than that because it's a first. So really shouldn't have to give much more than that and say a 3rd or 4th rounder that puts the trade chart value at 765 or 630 respectively. Equal to roughly the 23rd or 29th picks n the first round.
For a swap of firsts and a 4th I do it for sure 100% right now. For swap of firsts and a 3rd probably still do it as I think having Rodgers and two top 5 wrs would be well worth it. Plus you still have 2 firsts in that scenario you could either use or package to get back up towards the top 10

What if Brown gets upset Adam's gets more targets and sits out 3 games? Or Bell demand $25M per year? Both of these guys are worth far less than their talent level. When the Steelers trade Brown, they will get a late 3rd at most. Not sure, but Bell is worth around there as well. A first? No way. For the Packers? I would trade a 7th for both and I cut them at the first sign of attitude.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes, both Bell and Brown look like shiny new aging additions for any team, but at what cost to the team chemistry? Neither of them seem to be anything but "me first" guys and IMO, that isn't what the Packers should or will be looking for.

 

[sschind]

Yes, both Bell and Brown look like shiny new aging additions for any team, but at what cost to the team chemistry? Neither of them seem to be anything but "me first" guys and IMO, that isn't what the Packers should or will be looking for.

Brown and Bell will be instant improvements for whatever team that gets them but both will come at a cost. Bell wants a LOT of money and doesn't seem to to be much of a team guy. Brown's contract is reasonable for his ability but he also seems like a head case. I would welcome the talent that either would bring but I don't think either would be worth the overall cost. I think there are better ways to spend the money without the risk of the headaches that might come with them.

 

[scotscheese]

That's really good guys but I have to ask, when does the unemployment end?

I do recognize a couple of those songs by Madonna when you say them (honestly I thought Poppa don't preach was Lauper) but for the life of me I couldn't think of them when I made my post.

Good call on Cher though although I can only think of about 5 of her songs.

but if you could turn back time, you could put cher as post-madonna

 

[thequick12]

What if Brown gets upset Adam's gets more targets and sits out 3 games? Or Bell demand $25M per year? Both of these guys are worth far less than their talent level. When the Steelers trade Brown, they will get a late 3rd at most. Not sure, but Bell is worth around there as well. A first? No way. For the Packers? I would trade a 7th for both and I cut them at the first sign of attitude.

If the Packers can get brown for a late 3rd they should absolutely do it. As the poster above mentioned if it doesn't work out the team could move on without incurring any dead money. The thing is I doubt he goes for only a 3rd, when over half the league is interested in aquiring him

 

[elcid]

Considering there are plenty of holes to fill and we would be taking on a cap hit of 13M a year for a low attitude high talent guy, #12 overall is just waaaay to steep. I'd consider our 2nd first rounder but even that one I'm not sold on giving up. For our 2nd rounder I'd be tempted to pull the trigger. But the concerns @AmishMafia mentioned would still be there. Finally, I'm not sure whether its desirable that we have over 35M tied in weapons for Arod.

 

[XPack]

Lions are odds on to land Brown

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Yes...anyone suggesting otherwise is not being realistic about how much talent trumps everything else in football. Getting the best WR in the NFL for the 12th pick in the draft is a slam dunk.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes...anyone suggesting otherwise is not being realistic about how much talent trumps everything else in football. Getting the best WR in the NFL for the 12th pick in the draft is a slam dunk.

Maybe if it was Julio Jones. While I agree Antonio Brown is a talented guy, how much of his talent was on the field for the Steelers with the playoffs on the line? What do his teammates and coaches think of him? When you are investing draft capital and that much money, very hard to ignore character of said player.

If Gute would even consider AB it would have to come after AB has been interviewed and shows that somehow he is a changed man, but words are cheap and old habits die hard, I doubt just him saying "I will be a team guy and I want to do whatever is best for the Packer organization" would change Gute's mind.

 

[Mondio]

I’d rather that #12 turn into a young BJ raji or clay Matthews impact player than move it to get may 1 or 2 headache filled seasons from Brown.

I would t give anything more than a 2nd or 3rd and even for the 2nd I’d have to think long and hard before committing to it