Breeland to Chiefs

[Deleted member 6794]

Could be, but I don't think you do that to save $3 million by going with a rookie or $1-2M by going with a journeyman kicker. So until you know you have found his replacement, almost have to hang on to him. We beat this dead horse to death for sure, but nothing is a sure thing when it comes to replacing kickers.

It would be definitely easier to replace Crosby than Daniels with a rookie though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It would be definitely easier to replace Crosby than Daniels with a rookie though.

As far as draft capital goes, I 100% agree with you. As far as talent goes, I would say that could be open for debate.

 

[HardRightEdge]

A question is begged that nobody is asking. At 1 year for $2 mil, what's wrong with Bashaud Breeland?

Concerns about his recurring foot injury? Is he a knucklehead that causes problems in the building? Does he go off the reservation, freelancing and not assignment-sure? Rumblings about some issue that might get him a suspension?

I don't know what it is but something is wrong.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A question is begged that nobody is asking. At 1 year for $2 mil, what's wrong with Bashaud Breeland?

Concerns about his recurring foot injury? Is he a knucklehead that causes problems in the building? Does he go off the reservation, freelancing and not assignment-sure? Rumblings about some issue that might get him a suspension?

I don't know what it is but something is wrong.

We may never know. I doubt it was over the price, so it was either one side or a combination of both sides, just not liking each other enough to keep him in Green Bay.

 

[HardRightEdge]

We may never know. I doubt it was over the price, so it was either one side or a combination of both sides, just not liking each other enough to keep him in Green Bay.

That contract with the Chiefs says there is a lot more going on than just not liking each other enough. 31 other teams didn't want to pay the man.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That contract with the Chiefs says there is a lot more going on than just not liking each other enough. 31 other teams didn't want to pay the man.

Have to agree with you. Looking back, many of us were so desperate for a half way decent CB, Breeland looked like Lobster and maybe he is just tuna fish?

Panthers could have been on the hook still with 2 years left on a 3 year, $8M/year for the guy. Wonder if a Panther fan rigged the golf cart?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

As far as draft capital goes, I 100% agree with you. As far as talent goes, I would say that could be open for debate.

Do you honestly believe that it's as difficult to replace a below average kicker as an above average defensive lineman???

A question is begged that nobody is asking. At 1 year for $2 mil, what's wrong with Bashaud Breeland?

It seems there's something wrong with Breeland but just to clarify he could earn up to $5 million in 2019 with the Chiefs.

 

[thequick12]

It would be definitely easier to replace Crosby than Daniels with a rookie though.

Well I guess that would depend on how the draft falls. If Ed Oliver slides to 12, you take him and you've replaced Mike Daniels pretty much for sure with a newer more explosive overall better version

 

[sschind]

We wouldn't have needed him to be a key link though, just a dependable cornerback who can provide some stability for the remainder of the contracts of Alexander and Jackson while they continue to develop. I'm willing to admit that a 3y 9m a season (which I advocated) contract would have been too much, but given his market he surely must have pondered long had we offered him 21m in 3 years.

See us pick yet another CB in the first round next year

I don't think he will be that hard to replace but we will have to replace him and I think that is where it will hurt us. Losing the position concerns me more than losing the player.

 

[sschind]

I am pretty well done seeing the Packers use early picks on DB's and not having much to show for it. In the last 5 drafts, 7 1st and 2nd round picks were used on DB's, with Jaire Alexander so far the only one that seems to be worth the investment. I think that overall failure has contributed quite a bit to where the Packers are today.

By not resigning Breeland, do they have a need at CB? Probably. However, let's continue to address the front 7 by drafting an ILB and DL in the first 2 rounds, use a mid round pick on another CB and see if that gets the job done. The offense could use some help too (OL, TE, WR).

Also, free agency isn't over, between now and Sept. there will be CB's available that the Packers can pick up on the cheap, will they be great? Most likely no, but probably better than a rookie.

While it would be frustrating to see another pick used on a DB I wouldn't mind at all if he turned out to be like Alexander. I know you are not as sold on him as others but my point is yes it would have been great if one or more of our previous picks had worked out but they didn't so if the next one does it is a fix that we need. At this point our needs are what they are and if any pick turns into a long term pro bowl type player what happened in the past is irrelevant.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While it would be frustrating to see another pick used on a DB I wouldn't mind at all if he turned out to be like Alexander. I know you are not as sold on him as others but my point is yes it would have been great if one or more of our previous picks had worked out but they didn't so if the next one does it is a fix that we need. At this point our needs are what they are and if any pick turns into a long term pro bowl type player what happened in the past is irrelevant.

Stop being so damn logical and listen to my heart!

I'm done using 1st and 2nd round picks on CB's!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Well I guess that would depend on how the draft falls. If Ed Oliver slides to 12, you take him and you've replaced Mike Daniels pretty much for sure with a newer more explosive overall better version

Even if it works out that way the Packers would have had to spend their highest pick in 10 years to adequately replace Daniels.

It's probable an undrafted rookie could step in for Crosby with the team not missing a beat.

 

[sschind]

Stop being so damn logical and listen to my heart!

I'm done using 1st and 2nd round picks on CB's!

OK fine. Just for you then. No more CBs in the first 2 rounds.

 

[PackAttack12]

Reports indicate that Bashaud Breeland was waived by the Vikings today after a verbal altercation. I'm not sure exactly what happened and I know that he seems to have struggled this year with Minnesota, but if there's a chance he could be as productive as he was with the Packers before he went to the Chiefs, I'm bringing him in immediately to get a look.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Reports indicate that Bashaud Breeland was waived by the Vikings today after a verbal altercation. I'm not sure exactly what happened and I know that he seems to have struggled this year with Minnesota, but if there's a chance he could be as productive as he was with the Packers before he went to the Chiefs, I'm bringing him in immediately to get a look.

I liked Breeland when he played in Green Bay. Might be a good team for him to come back to, to seek revenge on the Vikings and stuff.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Reports indicate that Bashaud Breeland was waived by the Vikings today after a verbal altercation. I'm not sure exactly what happened and I know that he seems to have struggled this year with Minnesota, but if there's a chance he could be as productive as he was with the Packers before he went to the Chiefs, I'm bringing him in immediately to get a look.

Why? We have Rasul, Stokes and Jaire is coming back.

 

[PackAttack12]

Why? We have Rasul, Stokes and Jaire is coming back.

You can never have enough effective corners. Plus there's no guarantee all of those guys stay healthy, especially Jaire. It's really an unknown how that shoulder will hold up.

And any time you have the opportunity to bring in a guy that could potentially keep King on the bench, you have to look into it.

 

[swhitset]

You can never have enough effective corners. Plus there's no guarantee all of those guys stay healthy, especially Jaire. It's really an unknown how that shoulder will hold up.

And any time you have the opportunity to bring in a guy that could potentially keep King on the bench, you have to look into it.

I agree conceptually. However, Breeland has had several issues with various teams since he left Green Bay and I suspect the reason they didn’t re sign him originally was less about money… and more about his temper and attitude. The Packers don’t air this stuff publicly, but I always thought their was more going on inside the locker room where he was concerned than what was being reported.

 

[PackAttack12]

I agree conceptually. However, Breeland has had several issues with various teams since he left Green Bay and I suspect the reason they didn’t re sign him originally was less about money… and more about his temper and attitude. The Packers don’t air this stuff publicly, but I always thought their was more going on inside the locker room where he was concerned than what was being reported.

Good point.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree conceptually. However, Breeland has had several issues with various teams since he left Green Bay and I suspect the reason they didn’t re sign him originally was less about money… and more about his temper and attitude. The Packers don’t air this stuff publicly, but I always thought their was more going on inside the locker room where he was concerned than what was being reported.

Fair points and really this is the caveat with every player that we kick around as a possible Packer; "Are they a good fit for the Packers on and off the field?" Sometimes that information is general public knowledge and sometimes not. In the case of Breeland, the Packers have first hand knowledge.

 

[Mondio]

I agree conceptually. However, Breeland has had several issues with various teams since he left Green Bay and I suspect the reason they didn’t re sign him originally was less about money… and more about his temper and attitude. The Packers don’t air this stuff publicly, but I always thought their was more going on inside the locker room where he was concerned than what was being reported.

I think you're right, and was something I thought about as well.

On paper, seems like he would be a guy to bring in. But they have a good thing going, someone who doesn't take coaching or scheme or play well with others, even if talented could make it way worse in a hurry.

 

[PackAttack12]

I think you're right, and was something I thought about as well.

On paper, seems like he would be a guy to bring in. But they have a good thing going, someone who doesn't take coaching or scheme or play well with others, even if talented could make it way worse in a hurry.

Luckily as PB pointed out, the Packers have good intel on him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Luckily as PB pointed out, the Packers have good intel on him.

While I would like to take credit, swhitset was the first to point it out, I was just agreeing with him.

 

[Mondio]

Luckily as PB pointed out, the Packers have good intel on him.

yes they do. I trust them to make the right choice, if it is even a possibility. But you know as soon as the Patriots or someone else signs him, we're going to get the "Gutes an idiot" threads again.

 

[PikeBadger]

yes they do. I trust them to make the right choice, if it is even a possibility. But you know as soon as the Patriots or someone else signs him, we're going to get the "Gutes an idiot" threads again.

That stuff is just "meatheads run amok" junk. Rational people know enough not to take that garbage seriously.