Breeland to Chiefs

[XPack]

If our pass rush improves with our FA signings from last week that will camouflage any weaknesses we have in the secondary. I suspect safety and/or corner might still be addressed in the upcoming draft and FA.

We better fix that. Fixing the pas rush only to have a leaky secondary is like a step forward and 2 behind. We need both prime.

 

[brandon2348]

Not to belabor the point (OK, I will belabor it), retaining Williams means the Packers are 4 deep at corner, 2 deep at FS. What the Packers need on defense more than a corner is a SS and and an ILB.

Jones has been uninspiring at SS. Burks and Jones were worse than uninspiring playing ILB, with Jones moved to safety and Burks benched at one point for a UDFA dragged off the street before that guy got tossed out of a game and cut.

No matter how you mix and match, ILB is the higher priority.

I agree with this and is why i think they can get one out of these two in the draft on day 2.

Germaine Pratt LB NC STATE or

Johnathan Abram S Miss State.

 

[brandon2348]

Ok I thought they’d go ILB or Dline with the first pick...but this could easily become a situation where they try and move up and take Greedy Williams, or take Rapp there instead of at 30.

No way Jose on Rapp.

 

[brandon2348]

Please stop Panicking. Breeland wasn't that great.

 

[OldSchool101]

One would have to factor an expectation of our CBs to improve.
We have King as a 3rd year player and our 1st 2 selections last year with one year regular season and will have 2 full off seasons under their belt soon. I’m thinking either King or Jackson takes a leap this year. My guess would be King, but my big concern is if he can’t stay on the field again consistently this year we may be in trouble.
Yeah. While we don’t HAVE to draft CB earky.. I’d draft a 2nd to early 3rd day CB and get him some playing time this preseason. I’d be aggressive in that 3rd round where it’s not nearly as costly to move up, maybe repeating a move like we did with Burks but at CB. Julian Love? Love his style of aggression, he’s a poor mans Alexander. Maybe he could give some of our guys lessons in open field tackling!

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Once again, by trading back a few spots round one lands an equivalent bonus pick.

 

[Pugger]

I don't blame him for going to KC. He has a better chance at starting there than in GB behind King and Alexander.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Not to belabor the point (OK, I will belabor it), retaining Williams means the Packers are 4 deep at corner, 2 deep at FS.

I would have felt more comfortable about the secondary with Breeland being re-signed. Gutekunst might have to address the position pretty early in the draft once again now though.

Kevin King is a bust so that leaves just Alexander and Jackson at cb. Moving Jackson to safety may be necessary so that leaves the position even thinner.

King isn't a bust by any means but hopefully will be able to stay healthy. The Packers don't need to spend a first rounder on the position but should add some depth in the draft.

I don't expect Jackson to be moved to safety.

 

[elcid]

Honestly why is everyone saying that Breeland would be behind King on the depth chart? King has been at most very decent in the 3 quarters that he plays every season, and Breeland was continuously improving, even being are best graded defensive player in a game near the end of the season (against the Falcons if I recall correctly?).

Furthermore you can bank on the fact that King will miss significant time, which will put Williams/Jackson on the perimeter? Not sold on that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Honestly why is everyone saying that Breeland would be behind King on the depth chart? King has been at most very decent in the 3 quarters that he plays every season, and Breeland was continuously improving, even being are best graded defensive player in a game near the end of the season (against the Falcons if I recall correctly?).

Furthermore you can bank on the fact that King will miss significant time, which will put Williams/Jackson on the perimeter? Not sold on that.

PFF graded Breeland at an elite level vs. the Falcons but not above average for any other game. I fully expect the Packers plan on King being a starter entering next season but there's a huge question mark about him being able to stay healthy.

 

[C-Lee]

Everyone is overrating Breeland. He was decent.

 

[Half Empty]

So glad we have you, then. I don't feel so bad any more.

 

[Mondio]

it does appear we've all overvalued Breeland. I'm willing to admit I did. He seemed to get better as he worked into shape. By later in the season we were down some guys, but he seemed to be a bright spot with a lot failing around him. He didn't stay completely healthy, but he also had no camp, etc and jumped into everyone else's mid season form. But nothing devastating either. But the fact that nobody really gave him a contract does stand out. Maybe all the GM's know more than we do? I understand that maybe he had a chance to start there etc, but I think he showed enough to get signed by someone, if they thought he was worth it, for a lot more.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Relax everyone....Davon House is still out there.

 

[El Guapo]

Breeland looked good when the guys around him were scrubs at the end of the season. Aside from stepping in front of bad pass by Matt Ryan, I saw Breeland make more mistakes than I care to see. I'd rather use that roster spot on drafting more young CBs. Breeland doesn't have what we need, unless we are in bandaid mode again.

 

[sschind]

Breeland looked good when the guys around him were scrubs at the end of the season. Aside from stepping in front of bad pass by Matt Ryan, I saw Breeland make more mistakes than I care to see. I'd rather use that roster spot on drafting more young CBs. Breeland doesn't have what we need, unless we are in bandaid mode again.

that's a good point. When he was one of the better ones back there he looked OK but was that just because he was better than pretty much anyone else. I would have liked to have seen him back for depth and to keep CB from taking up another spot in the draft but I don't think it will be too difficult to find one at least as good if not better and probably quite a bit cheaper. He was a link in the chain is all. He wasn't the weak link but he wasn't a key link either.

 

[elcid]

that's a good point. When he was one of the better ones back there he looked OK but was that just because he was better than pretty much anyone else. I would have liked to have seen him back for depth and to keep CB from taking up another spot in the draft but I don't think it will be too difficult to find one at least as good if not better and probably quite a bit cheaper. He was a link in the chain is all. He wasn't the weak link but he wasn't a key link either.

We wouldn't have needed him to be a key link though, just a dependable cornerback who can provide some stability for the remainder of the contracts of Alexander and Jackson while they continue to develop. I'm willing to admit that a 3y 9m a season (which I advocated) contract would have been too much, but given his market he surely must have pondered long had we offered him 21m in 3 years.

See us pick yet another CB in the first round next year

 

[brandon2348]

I would have felt more comfortable about the secondary with Breeland being re-signed. Gutekunst might have to address the position pretty early in the draft once again now though.

No way. That's a total overreaction. There is plenty of talent in the secondary for Pettine to make it work.

If they wanted to keep Breeland they could of made moves to do so. He is nothing more then an average corner and slow as hell just like Gunter was. He can't play man to man so he is useless to us.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Everyone is overrating Breeland. He was decent.

The Packers need some decent cornerbacks capable of playing a significant amount of snaps as well though.

I'd rather use that roster spot on drafting more young CBs.

The Packers should have addressed the cornerback position by now after using a ton of draft picks on it. Unfortunately it seems they might have to select one early again this offseason.

No way. That's a total overreaction. There is plenty of talent in the secondary for Pettine to make it work.

If they wanted to keep Breeland they could of made moves to do so. He is nothing more then an average corner and slow as hell just like Gunter was. He can't play man to man so he is useless to us.

The Packers could have definitely used Breeland, who is by far a more talented player than Gunter ever was, as the depth chart at cornerback currently includes Alexander, King, Jackson, Williams, Brown and some unknowns. While I'm not advocating for Gutekunst to use another early rounder on the position he might be forced to.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I am pretty well done seeing the Packers use early picks on DB's and not having much to show for it. In the last 5 drafts, 7 1st and 2nd round picks were used on DB's, with Jaire Alexander so far the only one that seems to be worth the investment. I think that overall failure has contributed quite a bit to where the Packers are today.

By not resigning Breeland, do they have a need at CB? Probably. However, let's continue to address the front 7 by drafting an ILB and DL in the first 2 rounds, use a mid round pick on another CB and see if that gets the job done. The offense could use some help too (OL, TE, WR).

Also, free agency isn't over, between now and Sept. there will be CB's available that the Packers can pick up on the cheap, will they be great? Most likely no, but probably better than a rookie.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Also, free agency isn't over, between now and Sept. there will be CB's available that the Packers can pick up on the cheap, will they be great? Most likely no, but probably better than a rookie.

True, unfortunately the Packers don't have a lot of cap space to make any moves in free agency without releasing another player.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

True, unfortunately the Packers don't have a lot of cap space to make any moves in free agency without releasing another player.

I think we may see at least one of the following "higher paid" players released prior to Sept.

1. Tramon Williams (cap savings $4.65M)
2. Mason Crosby ($3.45M)
3. Brian Bulaga ($6.5)
4. Mike Daniels ($8.2725M)
5. Lane Taylor ($2.6M)

All 5 currently appear to be starters, so in order to release them, the Packers will need a player(s) to step up or find their replacement via Free agency, trade or draft.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I think we may see at least one of the following "higher paid" players released prior to Sept.

1. Tramon Williams (cap savings $4.65M)
2. Mason Crosby ($3.45M)
3. Brian Bulaga ($6.5)
4. Mike Daniels ($8.2725M)
5. Lane Taylor ($2.6M)

All 5 currently appear to be starters, so in order to release them, the Packers will need a player(s) to step up or find their replacement via Free agency, trade or draft.

While your numbers are a bit off according to Over The Cap I agree the Packers would have to release a player to sign another veteran who doesn't sign for the minimum.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While your numbers are a bit off according to Over The Cap I agree the Packers would have to release a player to sign another veteran who doesn't sign for the minimum.

I may have messed up the numbers, I used Spotrac and was trying to factor in workout bonuses (assuming those will get paid) and then the Roster bonus (assumed none of those will be paid out, since they appear to be per/game bonuses for these guys).

But yes, while the Packers might be tight against the cap, there are still ways, other than the draft, to possibly improve the team.

Daniels is the most intriguing cut IMO. Last year of his contract and his level of play seems to have declined. Problem is, they may not have a guy who can currently take his place, but I think that is a position where a rookie could come in and play pretty well. This was a big reason I wanted to see Wilkerson resigned, gives the Packers more depth and options on the DL.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I may have messed up the numbers, I used Spotrac and was trying to factor in workout bonuses (assuming those will get paid) and then the Roster bonus (assumed none of those will be paid out, since they appear to be per/game bonuses for these guys).

But yes, while the Packers might be tight against the cap, there are still ways, other than the draft, to possibly improve the team.

Daniels is the most intriguing cut IMO. Last year of his contract and his level of play seems to have declined. Problem is, they may not have a guy who can currently take his place, but I think that is a position where a rookie could come in and play pretty well. This was a big reason I wanted to see Wilkerson resigned, gives the Packers more depth and options on the DL.

I don't want to open Pandora's box once again but Crosby is definitely the most logical choice to be released.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't want to open Pandora's box once again but Crosby is definitely the most logical choice to be released.

Could be, but I don't think you do that to save $3 million by going with a rookie or $1-2M by going with a journeyman kicker. So until you know you have found his replacement, almost have to hang on to him. We beat this dead horse to death for sure, but nothing is a sure thing when it comes to replacing kickers.