Bobby Tonyan

[XPack]

Never hurts to have too many quality TE's, especially in MLF's offense. However, how much can you afford to spend on Tonyan? We not only have Sternberger but also 3rd round pick Josiah Deguara. In a normal cap year, resigning Big Bob probably is a no brainer, but given his small sample size of performance, just how much can you risk in a big contract with him?

Another high draft pick that could have been spent in another position. 3rd round TEs in subsequent drafts!

The more I look at this, the more I hate our 2020 draft.

 

[GleefulGary]

Another high draft pick that could have been spent in another position. 3rd round TEs in subsequent drafts!

The more I look at this, the more I hate our 2020 draft.

Let’s talk about this.

What position(s) does Deguara play?

Do you expect every pick to hit, and if they don’t, should the GM attempt to rectify that immediately or ignore it?

 

[gopkrs]

Not sure about position. I think he may play multiple positions. Have a feeling he will be a good pass catcher. But I don't have facts to back that up except I liked the way he looked and he did good in college.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

We still don't know what Tonyan's ceiling is, IMO he's a must sign in the off season. Though a luxury to have, a pass catching TE can really take a good offense to a great one (see KC).

Deguara I think was signed more to assist in the run game, blocking as a FB/TE hybrid. Different player.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Let’s talk about this.

What position(s) does Deguara play?

Do you expect every pick to hit, and if they don’t, should the GM attempt to rectify that immediately or ignore it?

There's no reason to spend a third round pick on the positions Deguara plays though. Especially after using the team's first two picks on backups before.

 

[Mondio]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they didn't draft anyone in the first 3 rounds to be a "backup"

 

[longtimefan]

I don't get your point. I never said Tonyan was bad. I said he was inconsistent.

8 tds now

Better?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

8 tds now

Better?

There's another million added to his new contract

 

[swhitset]

There's another million added to his new contract

are Gute and Russ Ball secretly hoping he drops a few? lol

 

[longtimefan]

are Gute and Russ Ball secretly hoping he drops a few? lol

Mvs has that covereD

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Its a Catch-22 right now with Bobby T. I love seeing his progression, but is he going to be too expensive to resign? I'm think he is going to get a 2nd round tender if he keeps up this pace.

 

[tynimiller]

Its a Catch-22 right now with Bobby T. I love seeing his progression, but is he going to be too expensive to resign? I'm think he is going to get a 2nd round tender if he keeps up this pace.

No kidding...quietly this fiscal nightmare has grown and grown. Happy for Tonyan but dangit this is gonna suck if he plays out of GB right when the getting is getting good.

 

[gopkrs]

You know, Tonyon might have been good earlier if he had had 1/2 a chance.

 

[tynimiller]

You know, Tonyon might have been good earlier if he had had 1/2 a chance.

Good ole' Jimmy G slowed down his chance to illustrate. Even with being squelched he would have a play or two here and there that would catch your eye.

 

[PikeBadger]

I don’t think he was ready to contribute like he has this year. Needed time to develop just like most players.

 

[Mondio]

I think he gutted thru an injury for much of the year too just so we had TE to put on the field.

 

[gopkrs]

I don’t think he was ready to contribute like he has this year. Needed time to develop just like most players.

Sometimes they just don't get a chance because of that attitude imho. Coaches are not always good evaluators and way too often they give the guy they drafted higher more of a chance. And that is neither fair nor smart. But that certainly is one thing that separates the really good coaches.

 

[PackAttack12]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they didn't draft anyone in the first 3 rounds to be a "backup"

The 1st two picks of the draft were moves made with the future in mind. You knew (or hoped) Jordan Love wouldn't see the field in year one. And you had to know that Dillon wasn't going to surpass Jones on the depth chart.

We know the reasoning behind the Love pick in the 1st round, even though I vehemently disagree with it. But it's sort of looking silly at this point given the way that Rodgers is clearly flourishing in LaFleur's system. And really, as long as Rodgers takes care of his body, he could play into his 40s in this system.

And perhaps the reasoning on Dillon is knowing you probably will not be able to retain Aaron Jones.

So even though they clearly have future plans in mind for these two players, I don't think even the Packers expected either to compete for a starting role this season.

 

[easyk83]

I don’t think he was ready to contribute like he has this year. Needed time to develop just like most players.

Small school FCS kid who played wide receiver in college turned UDFA. Those types of players typically need additional time, more so than the players who come from say FBS P5 schools. If they didnt recognize his potential they wouldn't have kept him around. BTW, Nick Collins, of Bethune Cookman didn't really break out until his 4th season in the league, and you could probably find a number of small school gems who had a similar developmental delay.

 

[easyk83]

The 1st two picks of the draft were moves made with the future in mind. You knew (or hoped) Jordan Love wouldn't see the field in year one. And you had to know that Dillon wasn't going to surpass Jones on the depth chart.

We know the reasoning behind the Love pick in the 1st round, even though I vehemently disagree with it. But it's sort of looking silly at this point given the way that Rodgers is clearly flourishing in LaFleur's system. And really, as long as Rodgers takes care of his body, he could play into his 40s in this system.

And perhaps the reasoning on Dillon is knowing you probably will not be able to retain Aaron Jones.

So even though they clearly have future plans in mind for these two players, I don't think even the Packers expected either to compete for a starting role this season.

The Love pick was one that considered the ugly reality that our first picked successor to Rodgers will likely fail. By taking Love this year the team gets a chance to evaluate him and hopefully he keeps getting better each year. If not they can grab a 2nd rounder or two over the next 4 years or even grab another first rounder. Personally I think the Rodgers replacement plan went forward when SF jumped ahead of us to grab Brando Aiyuk. Otherwise we might have waited another year or looked to grab a QB prospect in rounds 2 to 3. In fact I guarantee that Gute will grab another QB even if Love appears to pan out for us.

 

[GleefulGary]

There's no reason to spend a third round pick on the positions Deguara plays though. Especially after using the team's first two picks on backups before.

I think they drafted him to be a crucial cog in LaFleur’s offense that isn’t being used right now bc they don’t have anybody at that position.

Deguara’s role is not an easy one. Hard to fill, hard to find.

I suspect that we will see that more next year if he recovers well. Only time will tell.

 

[tynimiller]

Deguara in this system has immense value...in other systems nearly worthless. We all should hope he recovers fully and can release another facet of MLF's system which honestly we just don't have presently IMO a replacement for.

 

[Mondio]

The 1st two picks of the draft were moves made with the future in mind. You knew (or hoped) Jordan Love wouldn't see the field in year one. And you had to know that Dillon wasn't going to surpass Jones on the depth chart.

We know the reasoning behind the Love pick in the 1st round, even though I vehemently disagree with it. But it's sort of looking silly at this point given the way that Rodgers is clearly flourishing in LaFleur's system. And really, as long as Rodgers takes care of his body, he could play into his 40s in this system.

And perhaps the reasoning on Dillon is knowing you probably will not be able to retain Aaron Jones.

So even though they clearly have future plans in mind for these two players, I don't think even the Packers expected either to compete for a starting role this season.

Like i said, none of them were drafted to be back ups.

and I think any team that isn't drafting for the future is likely a losing football team or will be shortly. Pretty normal for rookies to be non starters for a season or 2 from every round in the draft.

 

[PackAttack12]

Like i said, none of them were drafted to be back ups.

and I think any team that isn't drafting for the future is likely a losing football team or will be shortly. Pretty normal for rookies to be non starters for a season or 2 from every round in the draft.

Non starters and non contributors are different. In fairness, Dillon's dealt with COVID, but he was never going to usurp Jones or Williams on the depth chart. At best his role was going to be minimum, barring injuries.

Guys like King, Alexander, Savage, Jenkins, etc. made impacts in their first years with starts and meaningful snaps. Neither Love nor Dillon were figured into a role as a key contributor or fringe starter barring injuries.

 

[Mondio]

Non starters and non contributors are different. In fairness, Dillon's dealt with COVID, but he was never going to usurp Jones or Williams on the depth chart. At best his role was going to be minimum, barring injuries.

Guys like King, Alexander, Savage, Jenkins, etc. made impacts in their first years with starts and meaningful snaps. Neither Love nor Dillon were figured into a role as a key contributor or fringe starter barring injuries.

But none were drafted to be backups.

QB's are exceptions and he wasn't drafted to be a back up either. I didn't like taking a Qb with the investment they just made in a very good qb, so i'm not going to go thru all that again. But i'm certain they didn't view him as back up player.