Actual Signed Roster For 2022

[tynimiller]

Actually, please tell me which moves the Packers can't make because of having to wait for Rodgers decision??? They know they will save $20 million in cap space for next season one way or another.

As you and I both have agreed, if Rodgers is gone for whatever reason the team is faced with the massive decision to strip down more and rollover roster to a new era of youth and hopefully a reload window is quick. You no longer even consider carrying a guy like Crosby on your cap hits. You might even consider lifting both smiths off the roster rather than keeping Preston (BIG Preston fan so that's tough to say)...but it's true.

Not too mention a guy like Cobb, IF Rodgers is back may be willing to rework his contract to avoid being cut....or maybe Campbell would run again for a SB chance rather than head elsewhere. We don't know any of that exact information of course so it very well could be same thoughts but different player.

 

[tynimiller]

OP is updated for the restructured cap hits for Jones, Clark and Bakh - left the old figures there but striked them and put new one beside. I suspect this week we will see some more editing of that post coming...

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There's not a single move the Packers can't make because of having to wait on Rodgers' decision. Whatever happens with Adams will have a much larger effect on the Packers' plans.

Nobody said that they couldn't make a move, but some of us, including Gute himself, have said that a lot of decisions are on hold until the Rodgers decision is done.

Why do you think that is? Why wouldn’t it matter what they do with Rodgers, since you seem to think that no move can't be made before his?

We could go back and forth on this, but you aren't going to convince me otherwise. It appears that you think that no matter what Rodgers does, the direction the Packers go will be unchanged.

Actually, from your perspective, I'm surprised that you aren't screaming for Gutes head, since he hasn't resigned a single starter since the season ended, all decisions that you feel could have been made by now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was being sarcastic as there are some posters who believe the Packers can't do anything before Rodgers announces his decision.

Please show posts from these people, we need to really get after them.

 

[Mondio]

Nobody said that they couldn't make a move, but some of us, including Gute himself, have said that a lot of decisions are on hold until the Rodgers decision is done.

Why do you think that is? Why wouldn’t it matter what they do with Rodgers, since you seem to think that no move can't be made before his?

We could go back and forth on this, but you aren't going to convince me otherwise. It appears that you think that no matter what Rodgers does, the direction the Packers go will be unchanged.

Actually, from your perspective, I'm surprised that you aren't screaming for Gutes head, since he hasn't resigned a single starter since the season ended, all decisions that you feel could have been made by now.

and again, so what? welcome to the offseason and weeks before FA and what every team and every GM go thru. They all have contingencies about this player that, this structure that, who we target in draft, who we don't. How we pivot if something unexpected happens. Yeah most teams don't have an Aaron Rodgers, but still have the same type stuff going on.

again, nobody has signed recently with any teams that were big time players for them. The lack of action or word on action from the Packers is the norm this time of year across the league every year. The only thing different, we have Rodgers and the media does love them some A Aaron Rodgers and to speculate because it keeps people talking.

 

[sschind]

Nobody said that they couldn't make a move, but some of us, including Gute himself, have said that a lot of decisions are on hold until the Rodgers decision is done.

Why do you think that is? Why wouldn’t it matter what they do with Rodgers, since you seem to think that no move can't be made before his?

We could go back and forth on this, but you aren't going to convince me otherwise. It appears that you think that no matter what Rodgers does, the direction the Packers go will be unchanged.

Actually, from your perspective, I'm surprised that you aren't screaming for Gutes head, since he hasn't resigned a single starter since the season ended, all decisions that you feel could have been made by now.

Its not really the decisions that have been put on hold its acting on those decisions. I'm sure Gute has already decided what he will do if Rodgers retires. He has already decided what he will do if he comes back. He has already decided what he will do if he wants to be traded. He can't make those moves yet because some of them are dependent on what Rodgers does but he has already decided what he will do. Do you disagree with this?


If Rodgers decides to come back and one of Gute's decisions if that happened was to restructure Cobb can he still do that or is that option gone since Rodgers took so long to make his decision? If one of his decisions was to offer Douglas 5 million a year (just picked a number out of the air) can he still do that or is that option gone? If one of his decisions was to cut Z can he still do that or are we stuck with him because it took Rodgers so long?

No one has said the direction will be the same no matter what Rodgers does. Obviously his decision has an influence on what Gute decides to do or to be more accurate on what he has already decided to do in each scenario. All we have said is whatever direction Rodgers choice takes us in has already been decided by Gute and to this point none of the moves needed to take us in that direction have been eliminated. If Rodgers decides to come back every move that Gute has decided he will make if that happened can still be made. If Rodgers decides he wants to be traded every move that Gute has decided he will make if that happened can still be made.

Since you like analogies so much I have one for you. Two months ago I was told I am up for a promotion at work. I decided that if I get it I will buy a new car and if I don't get it I will buy a new bike. I could have been told A month ago and I would have my new car or my new bike. I could be told a month from now and I will have my new car or my new bike. In the meantime I am getting by with my old car and my old bike. Sure, it would have been nice to have a new car or a new bike a month ago but there is absolutely nothing I have lost, other than time, by not having the decision a month ago. When I get the decision I already know what I will do in each case. I know how much money I will have to spend if I get the promotion and I know how how much I will have to spend if I don't. I even have the car and the bike picked out. I know exactly what it will cost because I did all that negotiation while I was waiting for the decision to be made. If I find out in 2 months that I got the promotion it won't be like "I wish you would have told me sooner now I can't buy a new car because I had to wait for you to let me know if I got it or not" No, I can still buy the new car.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Its not really the decisions that have been put on hold its acting on those decisions. I'm sure Gute has already decided what he will do if Rodgers retires. He has already decided what he will do if he comes back. He has already decided what he will do if he wants to be traded. He can't make those moves yet because some of them are dependent on what Rodgers does but he has already decided what he will do. Do you disagree with this?


If Rodgers decides to come back and one of Gute's decisions if that happened was to restructure Cobb can he still do that or is that option gone since Rodgers took so long to make his decision? If one of his decisions was to offer Douglas 5 million a year (just picked a number out of the air) can he still do that or is that option gone? If one of his decisions was to cut Z can he still do that or are we stuck with him because it took Rodgers so long?

No one has said the direction will be the same no matter what Rodgers does. Obviously his decision has an influence on what Gute decides to do or to be more accurate on what he has already decided to do in each scenario. All we have said is whatever direction Rodgers choice takes us in has already been decided by Gute and to this point none of the moves needed to take us in that direction have been eliminated. If Rodgers decides to come back every move that Gute has decided he will make if that happened can still be made. If Rodgers decides he wants to be traded every move that Gute has decided he will make if that happened can still be made.

Since you like analogies so much I have one for you. Two months ago I was told I am up for a promotion at work. I decided that if I get it I will buy a new car and if I don't get it I will buy a new bike. I could have been told A month ago and I would have my new car or my new bike. I could be told a month from now and I will have my new car or my new bike. In the meantime I am getting by with my old car and my old bike. Sure, it would have been nice to have a new car or a new bike a month ago but there is absolutely nothing I have lost, other than time, by not having the decision a month ago. When I get the decision I already know what I will do in each case. I know how much money I will have to spend if I get the promotion and I know how how much I will have to spend if I don't. I even have the car and the bike picked out. I know exactly what it will cost because I did all that negotiation while I was waiting for the decision to be made. If I find out in 2 months that I got the promotion it won't be like "I wish you would have told me sooner now I can't buy a new car because I had to wait for you to let me know if I got it or not" No, I can still buy the new car.

You are thinking that Gute will make all the decisions that come after the Rodgers decisions. What you are failing to recognize is that there are 2 sides to many of the decisions that the Packers will have to make, with neither side knowing right now, what their position will be when that happens. Hell, some sides may have already moved on and don't care what Gute will say.

Again, best for me to stick with...I am going to agree to disagree.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sounds like the Packers have offered Rodgers a "market altering contract offer."

Aaron Rodgers just received a market-altering contract offer from the Packers, per report

The Packers apparently just made an offer to Aaron Rodgers that's going to alter the QB market

www.cbssports.com

 

[tynimiller]

Sounds like the Packers have offered Rodgers a "market altering contract offer."

Aaron Rodgers just received a market-altering contract offer from the Packers, per report

The Packers apparently just made an offer to Aaron Rodgers that's going to alter the QB market

www.cbssports.com

Structure of hits could make this genius or ignorant - we may end up never knowing if he chooses to not come back, but I sense we will know within 48 hours or so that answer and at some point shortly after perhaps see the contract details.

45M/year is Mahomes deal....he is a 46M hit this year.....scary backloaded I'm assuming.

 

[OldSchool101]

It's actually naive to believe that Rodgers will have a huge effect on what other players will do this offseason. They will actually sign with the team offering the most money, just like every other year as well.

Not in the case of offers that are similar. Do you realize what it costs to move cross country? Some housing markets are quadruple others, plus tax considerations, relocating children. It’s not always quite that simple unless we’re talking the top end players.

Also, who exactly is it that decides who pays the most to the player?? Isn’t a primary option the incumbent team? You act like the incumbent team has no say in offers. That’s looking at Roster building through the lense of a player without consideration of both parties. Remember that a primary part of every contract is consideration by both parties. Pre offer (Party 1)
Post offer (Party 2)

Which ones are those you're talking about here???

2 Quick obvious examples are Cobb and Adams.
You and nearly anyone on planet Earth already knew that though so I’m not sure why the move to a “leading” question. I’m curious where you’re going with it, so I’m entertaining you for fun!
Plus it’s really boring right now in here, Thank God for Tyni and his excitement on the draft or I would’ve jumped from a bridge (into the water of course, so Sorry to disappoint)

 

[tynimiller]

IF the "market altering" part of it all is the amount of it to be guaranteed, makes one wonder if it will be less than Mahomes' 45M/Year but will be fully guaranteed?

 

[OldSchool101]

IF the "market altering" part of it all is the amount of it to be guaranteed, makes one wonder if it will be less than Mahomes' 45M/Year but will be fully guaranteed?

Really $45M annual IS record setting
Mahommes is signed through 2029
Josh Allen through 2028

Big difference between a 38 year old and a <30 year old QB when it comes to injury, recovery, body strength, speed, illness, etc..

Nobody is going to offer Rodgers past 4-5 years (vs 8yrs and 7 yrs above comparisons being used)
On a conversion chart 45mil (4yrs use) through the 2025 season IS record setting. No player thinks about the math part they’re too busy comparing themselves in the mirror to one another and flexing. Meanwhile at age 40 we begin the physical descent and lose 1/2 pound of muscle annually.

 

[tynimiller]

Really $45M annual IS record setting
Mahommes is signed through 2029
Josh Allen at $43m through 2028

Will Rodgers be playing past that? I don’t think so. That’s why I don’t like this business of paying him like he’s a 33 year old.

No one is offering him a contract longer than three actual years. Sure void years may be involved though.

It would be unprecedented to offer him even a two year FULLY guaranteed contract...that might be the hinted "market altering" or "record setting" type. Time may get us to know or we may never know if he wants to go elsewhere.

 

[Mondio]

i'm all in favor of paying your QB, but I'm not really keen on paying him like he's a 28 year old going to be here for 10 years QB when he's apparently already in the will I or won't I stage of his career. 3 years tops, I don't see 5 more years from him. Here or anywhere else.

But as always, I guess we'll see. That article also says he has deals in place with 3 other teams already? I guess I missed when we gave him permission to seek a trade or negotiate with other teams.

 

[tynimiller]

I guess I missed when we gave him permission to seek a trade or negotiate with other teams.

This intrigued me as well...perhaps some of that reworking of his contract last year was to allow such conversations???

Has to have been the case or dear lord this is how you spell tampering LOL

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That article also says he has deals in place with 3 other teams already? I guess I missed when we gave him permission to seek a trade or negotiate with other teams.

Not sure if you are saying that tongue in cheek, but the no tampering rules seem to have disappeared years ago. Do you think the 10 or so top free agents that get announced as signed 3 minutes after Free Agency opens, strike new deals that fast? Agents and players have been in negotiations in some form since...probably before the season ended.

 

[Mondio]

I'm sure agents have floated what they're looking for and teams wink wink it saying oh yeah, or no we wouldn't be interested in a player like that. I'd think having a deal in place with 3 teams would open up at last 3 teams to charges and an agent that would lose his credentialing with the NFL if that were actually the case.

 

[sschind]

Again, best for me to stick with...I am going to agree to disagree.

I will agree with that

Sounds like the Packers have offered Rodgers a "market altering contract offer."

Aaron Rodgers just received a market-altering contract offer from the Packers, per report

The Packers apparently just made an offer to Aaron Rodgers that's going to alter the QB market

www.cbssports.com

regarding this paragraph

The fact that the offer leaked out actually makes the Packers look good, because if Rodgers decides to leave, Green Bay can just point to the offer and say, "We did everything we could to keep him."

I can think of a counter argument that makes the Packers look bad. If he decides to leave people might say "things there must really be ****** if he turned down that kind of money." Of course that assumes no other team offers him the same.

That article also says he has deals in place with 3 other teams already? I guess I missed when we gave him permission to seek a trade or negotiate with other teams.

if you follow the trail of articles, you know, the ones that all cite each other as a source, you will find one on NBC Sports posted by Florio that suggests "Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Rodgers has specific deals lined up with other teams — and those teams have trade compensation lined up with the Packers. The potential moves have been arranged, essentially, with the permission of the Packers."

I could see a situation where the Packers told Rodgers and his agent they could speak with other teams on a condition that they keep it under their hat. That would also go along with Gute saying he has not had one offer made for Rodgers. Lets keep the circle small. Rodgers and his agent. Gute and maybe a couple of other Packers FO guys (Ball and Murphy?) . The GM and maybe a couple of other guys from whatever teams are involved. Potentially these talks could have gone down with the knowledge of as few as 6 people with maybe no more than a dozen.

Going back to what Gute said about other teams. I don't believe him and I don't care that he lied. He doesn't owe it to be 100% transparent to the media or the fans. Its his job to run the Packers and if that involves a little misdirection then so be it.

Also, if this is true it makes Rodgers' delay even less important because presumably as soon as Gute gets the call from Rodgers he can call one of the three teams and say yup, its a done deal.

 

[tynimiller]

I will agree with that

regarding this paragraph

The fact that the offer leaked out actually makes the Packers look good, because if Rodgers decides to leave, Green Bay can just point to the offer and say, "We did everything we could to keep him."

I can think of a counter argument that makes the Packers look bad. If he decides to leave people might say "things there must really be ****** if he turned down that kind of money." Of course that assumes no other team offers him the same.


if you follow the trail of articles, you know, the ones that all cite each other as a source, you will find one on NBC Sports posted by Florio that suggests "Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Rodgers has specific deals lined up with other teams — and those teams have trade compensation lined up with the Packers. The potential moves have been arranged, essentially, with the permission of the Packers."

I could see a situation where the Packers told Rodgers and his agent they could speak with other teams on a condition that they keep it under their hat. That would also go along with Gute saying he has not had one offer made for Rodgers. Lets keep the circle small. Rodgers and his agent. Gute and maybe a couple of other Packers FO guys (Ball and Murphy?) . The GM and maybe a couple of other guys from whatever teams are involved. Potentially these talks could have gone down with the knowledge of as few as 6 people with maybe no more than a dozen.

Going back to what Gute said about other teams. I don't believe him and I don't care that he lied. He doesn't owe it to be 100% transparent to the media or the fans. Its his job to run the Packers and if that involves a little misdirection then so be it.

Also, if this is true it makes Rodgers' delay even less important because presumably as soon as Gute gets the call from Rodgers he can call one of the three teams and say yup, its a done deal.

I don't think Gute lied at all. He most likely told Rodgers' agent these are the teams we'd consider trading Rodgers to, this is our desired return from them - we grant your camp permission to discuss all you want with them - we however will not be having any such discussions to keep this thing clean and as void of "mess" as possible. Once Rodgers makes his call, that is the first time the Packers will have formal actual direct conversations but the "discussions" will have already occurred and Gute didn't have to lie. It simply is how much of this occurs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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[sschind]

I don't think Gute lied at all. He most likely told Rodgers' agent these are the teams we'd consider trading Rodgers to, this is our desired return from them - we grant your camp permission to discuss all you want with them - we however will not be having any such discussions to keep this thing clean and as void of "mess" as possible. Once Rodgers makes his call, that is the first time the Packers will have formal actual direct conversations but the "discussions" will have already occurred and Gute didn't have to lie. It simply is how much of this occurs.

The Florio article I quoted above suggests the Packers and those 3 mystery teams already have compensation worked I mean if Rodgers has permission to talk to these three teams it would be foolish for the Packers not to be talking to them as well. Like I said, I don't believe him when he says not one team has called him. Scratch that, maybe no team has called him but its highly likely that he called them. I guess maybe he didn't lie after all. Maybe he is inoculated.

Of course Demovsky says just the opposite in the last clip you posted so I guess that tells me that no one knows anything and all these magic sources are nothing more than guesses. But then that's what I suspected all along.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't believe him when he says not one team has called him.

So if two or more teams or a guy nick-named "not one team" called him, this then would be a correct statement.

 

[Mondio]

I will agree with that

regarding this paragraph

The fact that the offer leaked out actually makes the Packers look good, because if Rodgers decides to leave, Green Bay can just point to the offer and say, "We did everything we could to keep him."

I can think of a counter argument that makes the Packers look bad. If he decides to leave people might say "things there must really be ****** if he turned down that kind of money." Of course that assumes no other team offers him the same.


if you follow the trail of articles, you know, the ones that all cite each other as a source, you will find one on NBC Sports posted by Florio that suggests "Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Rodgers has specific deals lined up with other teams — and those teams have trade compensation lined up with the Packers. The potential moves have been arranged, essentially, with the permission of the Packers."

I could see a situation where the Packers told Rodgers and his agent they could speak with other teams on a condition that they keep it under their hat. That would also go along with Gute saying he has not had one offer made for Rodgers. Lets keep the circle small. Rodgers and his agent. Gute and maybe a couple of other Packers FO guys (Ball and Murphy?) . The GM and maybe a couple of other guys from whatever teams are involved. Potentially these talks could have gone down with the knowledge of as few as 6 people with maybe no more than a dozen.

Going back to what Gute said about other teams. I don't believe him and I don't care that he lied. He doesn't owe it to be 100% transparent to the media or the fans. Its his job to run the Packers and if that involves a little misdirection then so be it.

Also, if this is true it makes Rodgers' delay even less important because presumably as soon as Gute gets the call from Rodgers he can call one of the three teams and say yup, its a done deal.

I can barely read one article on it LOL

I do agree though, I do think he's had some unofficial leeway to check with certain teams. I do believe there is dialog between Agents and the Packers and other teams and I don't believe Gute when they say has anybody asked about Rodgers and I am also with you, when it is really none of your business at this stage, you can't be lied to no matter what people tell you.

 

[sschind]

I can barely read one article on it LOL

I do agree though, I do think he's had some unofficial leeway to check with certain teams. I do believe there is dialog between Agents and the Packers and other teams and I don't believe Gute when they say has anybody asked about Rodgers and I am also with you, when it is really none of your business at this stage, you can't be lied to no matter what people tell you.

It definitely seems to be a circular trend involved. This article cites that article and that article cites the other article and the other article cites another article and another article cites this article.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Nobody said that they couldn't make a move, but some of us, including Gute himself, have said that a lot of decisions are on hold until the Rodgers decision is done.

So what??? There's no need to make a move at this point aside of deciding if to franchise tag Adams. Rodgers' decision shouldn't have an effect on that one though.

Why do you think that is? Why wouldn’t it matter what they do with Rodgers, since you seem to think that no move can't be made before his?

It seems like I have missed something as you're the one complaining that Rodgers is holding up everything at this point.

It appears that you think that no matter what Rodgers does, the direction the Packers go will be unchanged.

I'm well aware that Rodgers either staying or moving on will change the direction the Packers are heading in. There's enough time to make moves either way though.

Actually, from your perspective, I'm surprised that you aren't screaming for Gutes head, since he hasn't resigned a single starter since the season ended, all decisions that you feel could have been made by now.

Once again, I have told you to relax and wait until a deadline forces the Packers to make a move.

You are thinking that Gute will make all the decisions that come after the Rodgers decisions.

Hopefully Gutekunst has already decided what to do if Rodgers stays or moves on. Otherwise he would be woefully unprepared to be the team's general manager.

Not in the case of offers that are similar. Do you realize what it costs to move cross country? Some housing markets are quadruple others, plus tax considerations, relocating children. It’s not always quite that simple unless we’re talking the top end players.

A player might consider some of the reasons you outlined above if there are similar offers but most of them will sign with the team offering the most money.

Also, who exactly is it that decides who pays the most to the player?? Isn’t a primary option the incumbent team? You act like the incumbent team has no say in offers.

Once a player is headed towards free agency most of them will entertain offers from other teams. Unfortunately nearly every other team in the league will have more cap space to sign players this offseason than the Packers. No matter what happens with Rodgers.

2 Quick obvious examples are Cobb and Adams.
You and nearly anyone on planet Earth already knew that though so I’m not sure why the move to a “leading” question. I’m curious where you’re going with it, so I’m entertaining you for fun!

Adams is actually the one player who holds up the Packers plans more than anyone else. It will make a huge difference regarding the cap whether the team puts the franchise tag on him, signs him to a long-term deal or lets him walk away in free agency.

I have already outlined how the Packers most likely have dealt with Cobb this offseason.

IF the "market altering" part of it all is the amount of it to be guaranteed, makes one wonder if it will be less than Mahomes' 45M/Year but will be fully guaranteed?

I guess the Packers offered Rodgers a deal with a fixed percentage of the cap. Nothing else would be market altering.

Not sure if you are saying that tongue in cheek, but the no tampering rules seem to have disappeared years ago. Do you think the 10 or so top free agents that get announced as signed 3 minutes after Free Agency opens, strike new deals that fast? Agents and players have been in negotiations in some form since...probably before the season ended.

You know a legal tampering period before the start of the new league year was introduced some years ago, don't you???