Actual Signed Roster For 2022

[thequick12]

Looks like the Packers may be set to extend devondre campbell before his contract voids at midnight...

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Looks like the Packers may be set to extend devondre campbell before his contract voids at midnight...

Campbell's contract already voided last week.

 

[thequick12]

Campbell's contract already voided last week.

Yeah haha i see that, i worked over 100 hours last week so i guess i missed that...apparently the post by campbell was him hoping the packers would resign him

 

[thequick12]

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"Going with the more aggressive transactions for Rodgers and Alexander, keeping Preston Smith but not Za’Darius Smith, releasing Cobb, extending Amos and Turner, and leaving Lowry and Crosby untouched, the Packers could create about $65.75 million in cap savings. That would give the Packers about $15.75 million of cap space even after franchising Adams – plenty of money to re-sign All-Pro linebacker De’Vondre Campbell. The Packers could then save even more cap space by extending Adams, money that could be used for a midseason extension for Elgton Jenkins, who is entering his final season under contract."

This is the last paragraph of the linked article by Bill Huber...and what ive been saying and still think is gonna happen. Im not for every single move described but most... This opens another 4 year window in which the Rodgers led Packers should be legitimate SB contenders every season

 

[tynimiller]

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"Going with the more aggressive transactions for Rodgers and Alexander, keeping Preston Smith but not Za’Darius Smith, releasing Cobb, extending Amos and Turner, and leaving Lowry and Crosby untouched, the Packers could create about $65.75 million in cap savings. That would give the Packers about $15.75 million of cap space even after franchising Adams – plenty of money to re-sign All-Pro linebacker De’Vondre Campbell. The Packers could then save even more cap space by extending Adams, money that could be used for a midseason extension for Elgton Jenkins, who is entering his final season under contract."

This is the last paragraph of the linked article by Bill Huber...and what ive been saying and still think is gonna happen. Im not for every single move described but most... This opens another 4 year window in which the Rodgers led Packers should be legitimate SB contenders every season

I push back this opens a four year window. There is a TON of money coming due, and that is without a bloated Adams contract, a year three or so Jaire contract, a massively bloated Bakh contract in a couple years and kiss Elgton Jenkins resigning goodbye cuz we will not be able to pay our most valuable across the board lineman with all these moves.

I see it realistically you can do a one year window push, maybe two - but I don't see realistically even with voided years and contract gymnastics you make it three or more.

 

[thequick12]

I push back this opens a four year window. There is a TON of money coming due, and that is without a bloated Adams contract, a year three or so Jaire contract, a massively bloated Bakh contract in a couple years and kiss Elgton Jenkins resigning goodbye cuz we will not be able to pay our most valuable across the board lineman with all these moves.

I see it realistically you can do a one year window push, maybe two - but I don't see realistically even with voided years and contract gymnastics you make it three or more.

Well Adams long term deal will surely lower his 2022 cap number assuming the packers do end up tagging him...

Jenkins will be resigned either like this article theorized in season or during the off season. No way they letting him walk

I believe youre still underestimating how much the cap is gonna go up over next 5 years

They are making it more than 2 thats for sure...because of the extension they gonna sign Rodgers to

 

[tynimiller]

Well Adams long term deal will surely lower his 2022 cap number assuming the packers do end up tagging him...

Jenkins will be resigned either like this article theorized in season or during the off season. No way they letting him walk

I believe youre still underestimating how much the cap is gonna go up over next 5 years

They are making it more than 2 thats for sure...because of the extension they gonna sign Rodgers to

The only way you keep this/an elite team together with what we are doing is you have to HIT in a big way on draft picks or get extremely lucky again like we did with pick ups after compensatory times like Rasul and Campbell - which were literally like lightning striking. It is possible, sure, but by all the pushing and bloating of contracts we are doing the margin of error is becoming thinner than the edge of a blade.

 

[OldSchool101]

The only way you keep this/an elite team together with what we are doing is you have to HIT in a big way on draft picks or get extremely lucky again like we did with pick ups after compensatory times like Rasul and Campbell - which were literally like lightning striking. It is possible, sure, but by all the pushing and bloating of contracts we are doing the margin of error is becoming thinner than the edge of a blade.

Plus remaining healthy. We need to get some injury luck on our side and be in the top 10 least injured metric. Last season we stayed bottom 10

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I push back this opens a four year window. There is a TON of money coming due, and that is without a bloated Adams contract, a year three or so Jaire contract, a massively bloated Bakh contract in a couple years and kiss Elgton Jenkins resigning goodbye cuz we will not be able to pay our most valuable across the board lineman with all these moves.

I agree that the moves the Packers have already made and will still make moving forward won't result in a four year championship window. They will be able to re-sign Jenkins though.

 

[tynimiller]

I agree that the moves the Packers have already made and will still make moving forward won't result in a four year championship window. They will be able to re-sign Jenkins though.

I guess looking at window it could be swung, primarily due to quite a few contracts that will be "shed" after this season when Jenkins contract comes up....I say "shed" because voided money will increase that hit all at once on many which are gone.

2022 Cap Hit Guys that will be gone after this year:
Adrian Amos - $11.9M
Preston Smith - $19,720,588 (expect this to change before season in some capacity)
Randall Cobb - $9,531,372 (same as above)
Billy Turner - $9,169,412
Rashan Gary - $5,051,872 (However I expect 5th year option picked up so he will be back and more expensive)
Mason Crosby - $4,735,000
Darnell Savage - $3,982,901
Aaron Rodgers - $46M....of course we all know this is going to change
Jaire - $13M
Marcedes - $2.445M
Dean Lowry - $8.07M


That is a lot of guys....really that list will be slightly shorter as most likely one or more of these will be cut or restructured/extended to be here beyond this coming season.

 

[thequick12]

If the cap goes up by the estimated 15% that has been rumored...that would put it at over 239 million for 2023, over 275 m in 2024, and over 316 m in 2023

This can be worked while avoiding "cap hell" yes gute needs to hit on some picks but thats how its always been as a draft develop and keep your own team

 

[Pkrjones]

If the cap goes up by the estimated 15% that has been rumored...that would put it at over 239 million for 2023, over 275 m in 2024, and over 316 m in 2023

This can be worked while avoiding "cap hell" yes gute needs to hit on some picks but thats how its always been as a draft develop and keep your own team

You continue throwing out massive salary cap "estimated" increases with not much information to back it up. Only 3 times in the last 25 years has the cap increased double-digit%. Didn't investigate if tied to a new TV deal: 1998- 26.4% increase, 2006- 19.3%, and 2022-14.1%. All other years have been a modest 5-8.5% increase. It's foolhardy, in my opinion, to keep pushing money further out. Yes, there's more competition for new broadcasters to land part of the TV deal, but I highly doubt that translates to yearly double-digit cap increases. Hoping Gute exercises some fiscal responsibility this & next year & keeps GB relevant post-Rodgers.

 

[tynimiller]

Folks also keep forgetting the increase will be across the board, it won't magically make the Packers in a better position relative to the league....fiscally that is.

 

[Schultz]

I guess looking at window it could be swung, primarily due to quite a few contracts that will be "shed" after this season when Jenkins contract comes up....I say "shed" because voided money will increase that hit all at once on many which are gone.

2022 Cap Hit Guys that will be gone after this year:
Adrian Amos - $11.9M
Preston Smith - $19,720,588 (expect this to change before season in some capacity)
Randall Cobb - $9,531,372 (same as above)
Billy Turner - $9,169,412
Rashan Gary - $5,051,872 (However I expect 5th year option picked up so he will be back and more expensive)
Mason Crosby - $4,735,000
Darnell Savage - $3,982,901
Aaron Rodgers - $46M....of course we all know this is going to change
Jaire - $13M
Marcedes - $2.445M
Dean Lowry - $8.07M


That is a lot of guys....really that list will be slightly shorter as most likely one or more of these will be cut or restructured/extended to be here beyond this coming season.

Isn't Aaron Jones' contract set up for him to be gone after this year?

 

[Schultz]

Folks also keep forgetting the increase will be across the board, it won't magically make the Packers in a better position relative to the league....fiscally that is.

Ding ding ding. Winner winner chicken dinner.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You continue throwing out massive salary cap "estimated" increases with not much information to back it up. Only 3 times in the last 25 years has the cap increased double-digit%. Didn't investigate if tied to a new TV deal: 1998- 26.4% increase, 2006- 19.3%, and 2022-14.1%. All other years have been a modest 5-8.5% increase. It's foolhardy, in my opinion, to keep pushing money further out. Yes, there's more competition for new broadcasters to land part of the TV deal, but I highly doubt that translates to yearly double-digit cap increases. Hoping Gute exercises some fiscal responsibility this & next year & keeps GB relevant post-Rodgers.

Agreed and if someone wants to get a good idea of the history of the cap, I have included a link below. People shouldn't be using 2021 to 2022 numbers as the new norm. That was Covid induced.

NFL Cap History

A look at the history of the salary cap for each year of the NFL.

www.spotrac.com

 

[sschind]

Folks also keep forgetting the increase will be across the board, it won't magically make the Packers in a better position relative to the league....fiscally that is.

As far as being able to compete for free agents money wise you are right. Every team will have more money to spend so the competition remains the same.

I don't think they are referring to that though. They are looking at it from a strictly Green Bay Packers salary cap situation. The increasing cap being able to absorb the money being pushed out thus reducing the cap hell situation. Maybe we won't have to cut all these expensive veterans with 25 million dollar cap hits if the cap goes up by 50 million (not gonna happen just giving an extreme example) because we won't be over the cap.

 

[Half Empty]

Isn't Aaron Jones' contract set up for him to be gone after this year?

Without a crystal ball, sure. Sportrac

 

[OldSchool101]

Folks also keep forgetting the increase will be across the board, it won't magically make the Packers in a better position relative to the league....fiscally that is.

Amen.
Add to that does anyone really believe that average expected future salaries will stay stagnant over that same time?

Do the math across an entire roster by multiplying our current cap ceiling with an increasing factor by just a conservative 7.5% annual compensation increase compounded yearly. What does that equate to in cap dollars over 3-4 seasons?

The league funded increase is designed to support cost of living +-..
It’s not designed to fund extra aggressive overexpenditures

 

[thequick12]

You continue throwing out massive salary cap "estimated" increases with not much information to back it up. Only 3 times in the last 25 years has the cap increased double-digit%. Didn't investigate if tied to a new TV deal: 1998- 26.4% increase, 2006- 19.3%, and 2022-14.1%. All other years have been a modest 5-8.5% increase. It's foolhardy, in my opinion, to keep pushing money further out. Yes, there's more competition for new broadcasters to land part of the TV deal, but I highly doubt that translates to yearly double-digit cap increases. Hoping Gute exercises some fiscal responsibility this & next year & keeps GB relevant post-Rodgers.

Well i guess we shall see who was right...im betting its me

 

[Pkrjones]

Amen.
Add to that does anyone really believe that average expected future salaries will stay stagnant over that same time?

Do the math across an entire roster by multiplying our current cap ceiling with an increasing factor by just a conservative 7.5% annual compensation increase compounded yearly. What does that equate to in cap dollars over 3-4 seasons?

The league funded increase is designed to support cost of living +-..
It’s not designed to fund extra aggressive overexpenditures

I don't understand where your center paragraph is going? All rosters are built using some very highly paid "stars" (3rd or more contract) some moderately priced 2nd contract vets as the "core", and the remainder are low-end rookies who get 3-4 years to develop (for 2nd contract) or are cast away.

The stars usually get massive percentage increases, the 2nd contract guys get healthy raises (50-300%). I don't believe you can use the straight 7.5% across the board increase because every a team creates and loses a few stars, mid-level 2nd contract players, and fills rosters with low-end rookies/FA's.

 

[tynimiller]

Isn't Aaron Jones' contract set up for him to be gone after this year?

Yeah unless he would re-do his contract in a massive way there is a negative percent chance he is here in 2023 as his contract is.

 

[tynimiller]

Well i guess we shall see who was right...im betting its me

In order to properly judge that each of you would need to actually predict a number. Maybe we can make a "guess the 2023 cap number" poll thread.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't understand where your center paragraph is going? All rosters are built using some very highly paid "stars" (3rd or more contract) some moderately priced 2nd contract vets as the "core", and the remainder are low-end rookies who get 3-4 years to develop (for 2nd contract) or are cast away.

The stars usually get massive percentage increases, the 2nd contract guys get healthy raises (50-300%). I don't believe you can use the straight 7.5% across the board increase because every a team creates and loses a few stars, mid-level 2nd contract players, and fills rosters with low-end rookies/FA's.

What % did the roster as a whole get as an increase going back several seasons?

Are you arguing that our compensation increases are far less than 7.5% year over year? If so give us a number. While you are at it take it compounding for the team over 4 seasons and give us that $$$dollar amount$$

Where I am going is much of the future increase in cap is already spent by cost of living. Also we are not the only ones getting cost of living increases, it’s global and therefore it’s no more advantageous to us over our opponents position.

 

[thequick12]

In order to properly judge that each of you would need to actually predict a number. Maybe we can make a "guess the 2023 cap number" poll thread.

Ok im down for that for sure...thats a good idea