A Jordan Love Contract

[Heyjoe4]

Some of what you said is partly true. But the bold part isn’t. That’s not an extension.
Contract extensions simply allow a team to spend money differently. Everything owed is still owed, nothing is wiped clean. I suspect though that we will start things out by converting monies for Jordan into a sizable signing bonus.

Yeah thanks OS. I had posted a new comment pretty much saying what you're saying. I thought if he kept playing on his current contract he would "only" get $20 mil this year. But yeah, the current deal is extended, he's given a huge signing bonus and a pile of guaranteed money - and I think Ty pointed this out - the Packers can move some of the new money into this year to help spread the cap hit beyond $20 mil.

So I think I get it. If I remember, this is what they did with Rodgers after his most recent MVP years. He had one year left and they extended it to 3 years for $150 mil total.

Pretty sad when $50 mil is starting to sound like a bargain. And Jefferson just shifted the new benchmark for elite WRs to $35 mil/year. FWIW I don't mind paying a great QB big money, but a WR? I think the Packers came out in great shape with all of the young WRs on rookie deals. That will end but for now, it gives them the ability to take care of Love, and this year, to add some solid FAs like McKinney and Jacobs.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah thanks OS. I had posted a new comment pretty much saying what you're saying. I thought if he kept playing on his current contract he would "only" get $20 mil this year. But yeah, the current deal is extended, he's given a huge signing bonus and a pile of guaranteed money - and I think Ty pointed this out - the Packers can move some of the new money into this year to help spread the cap hit beyond $20 mil.

So I think I get it. If I remember, this is what they did with Rodgers after his most recent MVP years. He had one year left and they extended it to 3 years for $150 mil total.

Pretty sad when $50 mil is starting to sound like a bargain. And Jefferson just shifted the new benchmark for elite WRs to $35 mil/year. FWIW I don't mind paying a great QB big money, but a WR? I think the Packers came out in great shape with all of the young WRs on rookie deals. That will end but for now, it gives them the ability to take care of Love, and this year, to add some solid FAs like McKinney and Jacobs.

Double Ditto

 

[Pkrjones]

Trevor Lawrence just signed a 5yr/$275mil extension. $55mil/yr with $200mil guaranteed. Love's eventual deal will exceed this, just a matter of how much?

**Edit** Same length & max value as Burrow's deal last month, details may differ.

 

[Thirteen Below]

And for months, I thought Prescott would be the one who reset the QB market. Now he may not even get extended, from what some in Dallas are saying.

 

[Heyjoe4]

And for months, I thought Prescott would be the one who reset the QB market. Now he may not even get extended, from what some in Dallas are saying.

Dak is a great QB during the regular season. He's just not the kind of QB to carry a team. Even so, I'd take him over Lawrence. With no other options, they'll have to pay him. They also have to make a decision on Cee Dee Lamb, who is gonna want Justin Jefferson money.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Trevor Lawrence just signed a 5yr/$275mil extension. $55mil/yr with $200mil guaranteed. Love's eventual deal will exceed this, just a matter of how much?

**Edit** Same length & max value as Burrow's deal last month, details may differ.

I thought the guaranteed money was around $140 mil, which would be more in line with his performance. Well, actually no. Nothing about this contract is in line with TL's performance. He plays like a game manager. That's not worth $55 mil/year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Trevor Lawrence just signed a 5yr/$275mil extension. $55mil/yr with $200mil guaranteed. Love's eventual deal will exceed this, just a matter of how much?

**Edit** Same length & max value as Burrow's deal last month, details may differ.

I wonder if Love's deal will exceed this. Given Love's small sample size, it's a gamble. But Love and his agent can certainly make a case that he's better than Lawrence.

This really is just nuts, what these guys are getting paid. Jared Goff at $50 mil plus? Well the NFL is a money machine, so the cap keeps going up along with the madness and guys get paid. #1 WRs are now $35 mil/year and the QB market is going to hit $60 mil next. At least Joe Burrow took his team to a SB. And other than Love, Burrow is the only guy I'd want on my team.

And no one has mentioned Tua. He is certainly a better QB than Lawrence. What about Mahomes with three rings? That's a whole lotta money to say 5 to 8 guys in the NFL, and still only one Lombardi Trophy.

 

[AmishMafia]

A lot of disrespect for Trevor Lawrence here and around the internet. I have watched him play a few times and thought he looked really good. You have to take into account the lack of talent around him in his play. And he still plays very well. I think he will have a great career and keep the Jags relevant. If they pick up some supporting teammates who can make some plays, they could contend.

 

[sschind]

A lot of disrespect for Trevor Lawrence here and around the internet. I have watched him play a few times and thought he looked really good. You have to take into account the lack of talent around him in his play. And he still plays very well. I think he will have a great career and keep the Jags relevant. If they pick up some supporting teammates who can make some plays, they could contend.

There is a lot of that going on. The Number 1 pick overall is expected to be at the top of the game pretty much from day one. Thats hard to do if you don't have a good team around you.

I think thats where Caleb Williams has a great chance to succeed IF he has the talent. The Bears have pretty darn good players at a lot of positions on both sides of the ball. That's a lot of support.

As far as Love's contract I suspect it will be very comparable to the one Goff and Lawrence got. If Lawrence hadn't signed I may might have said Goff was an outlier and we might still have hoped to get Love for tick over 50 million per year but with two "averageish" QBs now in the books for 55 I don't think there is any way we get Love for less than that. On the other hand I don't think he will be the first 60 million dollar man either. He may set the mark but it won't be by much and it won't be for long.

 

[Heyjoe4]

A lot of disrespect for Trevor Lawrence here and around the internet. I have watched him play a few times and thought he looked really good. You have to take into account the lack of talent around him in his play. And he still plays very well. I think he will have a great career and keep the Jags relevant. If they pick up some supporting teammates who can make some plays, they could contend.

I admit I haven't watched him a lot. I also haven't heard much about him in sports news. Hopefully the Jags have given him enough good players to improve the team, give him some targets, and justify that contract. The Jags just never seem to be in any conversations about being one of the top teams in the AFC, much less the NFL.

If he is as good as this contract suggests, we should be hearing a lot from the Jags this year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

There is a lot of that going on. The Number 1 pick overall is expected to be at the top of the game pretty much from day one. Thats hard to do if you don't have a good team around you.

I think thats where Caleb Williams has a great chance to succeed IF he has the talent. The Bears have pretty darn good players at a lot of positions on both sides of the ball. That's a lot of support.

As far as Love's contract I suspect it will be very comparable to the one Goff and Lawrence got. If Lawrence hadn't signed I may might have said Goff was an outlier and we might still have hoped to get Love for tick over 50 million per year but with two "averageish" QBs now in the books for 55 I don't think there is any way we get Love for less than that. On the other hand I don't think he will be the first 60 million dollar man either. He may set the mark but it won't be by much and it won't be for long.

Yeah I mean they're gonna give Love a big contract. It's gonna be interesting to see how it shakes out. The sooner the better, I think.

 

[sschind]

Yeah I mean they're gonna give Love a big contract. It's gonna be interesting to see how it shakes out. The sooner the better, I think.

I think its Tua, Dak and Love now and then no one for at least a couple of years until last years rookies are due. Maybe Watson and Mayfield IF they shine, oh and Purdy. I looked at the contracts as they stand and it seems that none of them that expire after 24,25,26 years are for QBs who will break the bank. Of course when you have guys like Goff and Lawrence getting 55 million a year deals who knows what Purdy would get if he wins a SB.

 

[Firethorn1001]

Looking at Spotrac seems like Lawrence's contract is effectively 5/200M. Cap percents are around 6-14% until 2029 when it bounces to roughly 22%. By then who knows what the cap will be.

As a fan, I don't care about the money. It isn't mine. I just care about the cap percent over the contract. Suck up too much and hard to keep guys around the QB. Doesn't seem like his contract his that bad from that perspective.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think its Tua, Dak and Love now and then no one for at least a couple of years until last years rookies are due. Maybe Watson and Mayfield IF they shine, oh and Purdy. I looked at the contracts as they stand and it seems that none of them that expire after 24,25,26 years are for QBs who will break the bank. Of course when you have guys like Goff and Lawrence getting 55 million a year deals who knows what Purdy would get if he wins a SB.

Tua, Dak, and Love will all get new deals soon. Not sure about the order. Lawrence set a high bar based on mediocre play, so who knows what the $$$ will look like.

Yeah at least Burrow and Purdy have been to a SB. But Goff and Lawrence? Actually Goff makes a little more sense, he's been to an NFCCG. But Lawrence has done nothing in three years. The Jags made the playoffs once I think, and are projected to be the worst team in the AFC South this year. Those kind of results just don't merit a big payday.

I understand a QB can only do so much, but in his heyday, putting Rodgers on just about any team would ensure 10 wins. Lawrence can't do that.

 

[Don Barclay]

To be fair to him Goff did also play in a Super Bowl. Didn't do much, though...

 

[OldSchool101]

The more I consider this? I think Love will get a similar deal in that $52-$58M average. Depending on guaranteed. If you get a good QB just pay them.
$55mil won’t be that bad in the middle of that deal it’s more in line with a top 10 ranked QB, which I believe Love is. Based on that stretch last year you’ve got to pay the guy, that wasn’t luck, too big a sample size imo. While it wasn’t the heaviest schedule, Love played at a historic level through that last half of the season. I believe Matt Ryan is correct, Jordan is only going to get better as he refines his craft. We’ve seen enough. Pay him Gutey

Jordan is going to hit the NFL lottery anytime now. Big time Coins! That Rookie deal is chump change now. My prayers are 1/3 answered (because of what he’s endured as a Kid) and the other third is hopefully not far away, God willing. The best and last 1/3 is his when he sees his Dad again in Heaven.

Happy Father’s Day To All Dads!!

 

[Heyjoe4]

To be fair to him Goff did also play in a Super Bowl. Didn't do much, though...

Who did he play for at that time?

 

[Pkrjones]

Who did he play for at that time?

2/4/2019, SB 53 against the Pats. Goff was 19 of 38, 1 int, Pats won 13-3.

 

[OldSchool101]

2/4/2019, SB 53 against the Pats. Goff was 19 of 38, 1 int, Pats won 13-3.

Tough game.

I mean this not in a condemning way but more constructive. Love n Co need to work on that last :60 sec finish out a game. Maybe a 1-minute drill from our 25 with 1 timeout, goal of getting inside that opposite 35 yard line.



The second part I still see some deficiency is that deeper, slight under throw into tight coverage. If it’s 1st or 2nd down that ball either needs to be 1. caught “high” or extending PAST the Receiver
2. A slight overthrow.
Too many underthrows, that’s not normal. Get the ball out a 1/2 hitch quicker and anticipate the route I personally want to see an overthrow by 1-2 yards on 3 consecutive longer plays. Giving the WR a 50/50 ball on the long side. The only exception is don’t throw out of bounds or Endzone on the last play. Surprising how many QB’s do that at the Pro level it’s just poor awareness or lack of training (not Jordan on this part here). While we’re over correcting be sure to recognize a 4th down play or last play in regulation is the only exception. I’d have him overthrow a yard on Purpose every down on 1 final drive until he refines it a hair backwards into the receiver. No underthrows.

If Jordan improves just a smidge on the clock and down usage?
and learns to trust his WR to get under the long throw by laying out some instead of having to repeatedly come back hard? Hes going to shine. It’s not his arm imo.. it’s his delayed last hitch it’s just a millisecond slow on longer throws a little to regular. These are things I’ve witnessed and backed up by known QB ‘s such as Sullivan and others in film study and it haunted him some.

I’m being tough on what already a very good QB, because to me, it’s very correctable if it’s intentional he becomes #12 level. Btw Rodgers would often overthrow on timing throws, especially to MVS. He’d live to see another play but give his receiver an opportunity without the added risk of a game ending INT. Those will kill you.

 

[Poppa San]

Tough game.

I mean this not in a condemning way but more constructive. Love n Co need to work on that last :60 sec finish out a game. Maybe a 1-minute drill from our 25 with 1 timeout, goal of getting inside that opposite 35 yard line.



The second part I still see some deficiency is that deeper, slight under throw into tight coverage. If it’s 1st or 2nd down that ball either needs to be 1. caught “high” or extending PAST the Receiver
2. A slight overthrow.
Too many underthrows, that’s not normal. Get the ball out a 1/2 hitch quicker and anticipate the route I personally want to see an overthrow by 1-2 yards on 3 consecutive longer plays. Giving the WR a 50/50 ball on the long side. The only exception is don’t throw out of bounds or Endzone on the last play. Surprising how many QB’s do that at the Pro level it’s just poor awareness or lack of training (not Jordan on this part here). While we’re over correcting be sure to recognize a 4th down play or last play in regulation is the only exception. I’d have him overthrow a yard on Purpose every down on 1 final drive until he refines it a hair backwards into the receiver. No underthrows. Period or he and everyone else does 20 pushups! Including the coaches!

If Jordan improves just a smidge on the clock and down usage?
and learns to trust his WR to get under the long throw by laying out some instead of having to repeatedly come back hard? Hes going to shine. It’s not his arm imo.. it’s his delayed last hitch it’s just a millisecond slow almost every time. These are things I’ve witnessed and backed up by known QB ‘s such as Sullivan and others in film study and it haunted him some.
I suspect the obvious stuff with footwork and confidence and timing will come with time, but clock probability and Anticipating longer throws need to be purposeful in both meetings, film study and practice.

Don't think we should pay the guy until he is perfect in every situation plus have receivers that play the same way. That what you saying?

 

[OldSchool101]

Don't think we should pay the guy until he is perfect in every situation plus have receivers that play the same way. That what you saying?

No.
Read post #166 above.
That contract must come first. But #10 has room for improvement. That isn’t an insult it’s meant as a compliment.
I think sky is the limit with him. He’s already put away the doubt imo. I’m looking past the $$$ to something bigger for him. He’s better than a Divisional QB and that’s where my head is. I think we hit Jackpot.

Happy Poppa Day San

1 John 1:1-4

 

[Heyjoe4]

No.
Read post #166 above.
That contract must come first. But #10 has room for improvement. That isn’t an insult it’s meant as a compliment.
I think sky is the limit with him. He’s already put away the doubt imo. I’m looking past the $$$ to something bigger for him. He’s better than a Divisional QB and that’s where my head is. I think we hit Jackpot.

Happy Poppa Day San

1 John 1:1-4

Is that the bible quote where jesus h keeryst says "hamstring injuries, get thee behind me"?

Update - nope, I was wrong. jesus h watched the packers blow the lead to the seahags in the 2014 NFCCG, at which time jesus h looks at the heathen pete carrol and said, "verily I say unto you, may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits". so much for jesus h and all that forgiveness stuff. not with the Packers - there is no forgiveness for such blasphemies against st. vince. "get thee behind me, you bubble gum chomping demon."

 

[Pkrjones]

Copied this segment from PFT... makes a lot of sense to me. "The Packers and Love are working on a new contract. With $11 million in cash due for 2024, a five-year, $300 million extension would have a new-money average of $60 million — and a total-money average of $51.83 million over six years. With no owner diverting profits to superyacht construction or maintenance, the Packers can reinvest all profits in their football operations. If they’re truly sold on Love (and if they can construct the contract to give them an out after two or three years), it wouldn’t be a shock if he gets to $60 million first."

 

[thequick12]

Damn 60 million a year smh good for him...I think he's just gonna keep getting better

 

[OldSchool101]

Copied this segment from PFT... makes a lot of sense to me. "The Packers and Love are working on a new contract. With $11 million in cash due for 2024, a five-year, $300 million extension would have a new-money average of $60 million — and a total-money average of $51.83 million over six years. With no owner diverting profits to superyacht construction or maintenance, the Packers can reinvest all profits in their football operations. If they’re truly sold on Love (and if they can construct the contract to give them an out after two or three years), it wouldn’t be a shock if he gets to $60 million first."

That pretty darn close to what I’m thinking. I don’t know how they’ll factor in his current deal, but as much as the Packers shouldn’t get greedy, neither should Jordan’s camp.
My guess is an “extension” in that 5yrX289mil area is about right. It would give Jordan a league leading deal starting for now, but commencing in 2025 ($57.8mil annual avg).
You could look at it as a $50mil annual for 6yrs, technically converting his current year from $11m to $50mil so it can be setup to escalate to current cash to pay him now, but spread it across the contract cap wise

Whatever happens here, The best deal is when both sides win. I think both parties need to come together though and not let a couple Million annual stand in the way. I’d be totally ok with your offer I think it’s reasonable + @Pkrjones