2025 Offseason - Contract Statuses To Avoid Confusions...

[gopkrs]

Of course it is all based on the health of his body. Which is unknown by everyone except either him and his camp or him and his camp and some of the organization.

Well yes, of course. But you sometimes don't mention these things when throwing out ideas.

 

[tynimiller]

Well yes, of course. But you sometimes don't mention these things when throwing out ideas.

LOL it was an oversight of assumption on my part was all.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think there is any hurry to make a decision on Jaire. From what I can see, he doesn't get a Roster Bonus like he did last year on 3/15/24, that was for $8M. His roster bonuses in 2025 are all Per Game Active Bonus's (totaling $267K, if he is active for every game).

I think free agency and the draft will give us some clue as to what is going on with Jaire. His knee and health is definitely a factor, but I don't see the Packers purging him via a trade, just to save $6M on the cap.

I also think that @tynimiller is correct. There might be the possibility that they rework his current deal, to make it reflect his availability or lack there of.

The thing with Jaire and he knows it, if the Packers won't pay him, there will be another team that will. That's is just the way business is done in the NFL, especially at key positions like CB.

 

[gopkrs]

I don't think there is any hurry to make a decision on Jaire. From what I can see, he doesn't get a Roster Bonus like he did last year on 3/15/24, that was for $8M. His roster bonuses in 2025 are all Per Game Active Bonus's (totaling $267K, if he is active for every game).

I think free agency and the draft will give us some clue as to what is going on with Jaire. His knee and health is definitely a factor, but I don't see the Packers purging him via a trade, just to save $6M on the cap.

I also think that @tynimiller is correct. There might be the possibility that they rework his current deal, to make it reflect his availability or lack there of.

The thing with Jaire and he knows it, if the Packers won't pay him, there will be another team that will. That's is just the way business is done in the NFL, especially at key positions like CB.

Pay him when? Jaire is signed through 2026. I think all GMs would want to see him play awhile before they give him a bunch of money. In the event he is playing well, we would probably want to keep him. Of course that would depend on a bunch of factors. So we will have to see what happens next year. Any talk about him right now seems way early.

 

[tynimiller]

Pay him when? Jaire is signed through 2026. I think all GMs would want to see him play awhile before they give him a bunch of money. In the event he is playing well, we would probably want to keep him. Of course that would depend on a bunch of factors. So we will have to see what happens next year. Any talk about him right now seems way early.

If he is cut he’s getting paid. Everyone in the league knows this…will it be like $25M/yr…of course not unless massively backloaded contract but he’d easily be a top 5 CB signing likely given age, and ability proven when healthy - he’d of course have to pass physicals for a team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If he is cut he’s getting paid. Everyone in the league knows this…will it be like $25M/yr…of course not unless massively backloaded contract but he’d easily be a top 5 CB signing likely given age, and ability proven when healthy - he’d of course have to pass physicals for a team.

Spot on and good answer. Even if the Packers try to trade him, his agent probably gets involved and wants a new contract before Jaire puts his "stamp of approval" on the trade. Football contracts these days don't seem to mean a heck of a lot.

Top players have been given much more control over where they play and when they get new contracts. Again, just how the NFL seems to roll. Which tells you just how much money a lot of these teams have just "laying around".

Obviously, Jaire's injury history isn't going to help him a lot, but the surgery he had to repair a torn posterior cruciate ligament (PCL) isn't all that big of a deal either. He's probably already working out on it and by Spring will be rearing and ready to go. As fans we sometimes look at injuries as the curse of death. I guarantee you that there are a bunch of organizations out there licking their chops at the idea of having Jaire on their team and the injuries aren't a big concern to them.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

I don't think there is any hurry to make a decision on Jaire. From what I can see, he doesn't get a Roster Bonus like he did last year on 3/15/24, that was for $8M. His roster bonuses in 2025 are all Per Game Active Bonus's (totaling $267K, if he is active for every game).

I think free agency and the draft will give us some clue as to what is going on with Jaire. His knee and health is definitely a factor, but I don't see the Packers purging him via a trade, just to save $6M on the cap.

I also think that @tynimiller is correct. There might be the possibility that they rework his current deal, to make it reflect his availability or lack there of.

The thing with Jaire and he knows it, if the Packers won't pay him, there will be another team that will. That's is just the way business is done in the NFL, especially at key positions like CB.

Just to clarify, GB would save $17MM on the cap, not $6MM, as if he WAS cut, he'd be designated a post June 1 cut.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just to clarify, GB would save $17MM on the cap, not $6MM, as if he WAS cut, he'd be designated a post June 1 cut.

Just to clarify, I was looking at "total savings". Under your scenario, they would still have a dead cap hit of $10,728,00 in 2026 to report.

I also do not see the Packers outright cutting Jaire. He has plenty of value to other teams. His contract (for them) would be relatively affordable, for the level of player they would be acquiring.

The other thing fans need to keep in mind. When a team is planning on declaring a trade or a cut as post 6/1, until that date, they have to carry the entire dead cap on their books. That can be a bit of a problem if the team is near the cap limit and they want to spend more.

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[SudsMcBucky]

Just to clarify, I was looking at "total savings". Under your scenario, they would still have a dead cap hit of $10,728,00 in 2026 to report.

I also do not see the Packers outright cutting Jaire. He has a ton plenty of value to other teams. His contract (for them) would be relatively affordable, for the level of player they would be acquiring.

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A post 6/1 trade also saves $17MM vs $6.0MM. However, JMHO, but I think the odds of a post 6/1 cut are better than an actual trade. I think teams will know the Pack are moving on and don't want to pay Jaire the remaining salary and will take their chances once he's cut.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

A post 6/1 trade also saves $17MM vs $6.0MM. However, JMHO, but I think the odds of a post 6/1 cut are better than an actual trade. I think teams will know the Pack are moving on and don't want to pay Jaire the remaining salary and will take their chances once he's cut.

Whether JA is released or traded, the effect on the cap is the same.

Whether the Packers would choose to make it a pre 6/1 or post 6/1 transaction the TOTAL cost is the same. One accounting method just spreads it out over 2 seasons.

Your use of "savings" is getting muddled by including the salary that JA would be due if he is on the roster in 2025 and 2026. While yes, that is a savings if he isn't, but, you still have to pay his replacement. The bottom line, no matter what the Packers do with JA, they have an accumulated dead cap on the books that has to be accounted for, in the amount of $19.092M.

I'm going to disagree with you on him being cut VS traded. Teams know what he is worth (if healthy) and his non-guaranteed $17M (2025) and $19.4M (2026) salaries would be considered a bargain by any team that decides he is worth the injury risk to trade for him.

I still contend that people wanting to label JA as big injury risk and thus he needs to be purged, are over reacting to his 2 injuries over the last 2 seasons.

I will admit this. If there is something we don't know, such as JA wants out of GB or the Packers feel he isn't giving it his all, then yeah, he needs to go. However, it isn't like the Packers have quality CB's ready to take his place. I hope they work out a more team friendly restructure and Jaire is playing at a high level in 2025. At minimum, they hold on to him until they do find a suitable replacement and/or see where he is at health wise come August.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Whether JA is released or traded, the effect on the cap is the same.

Whether the Packers would choose to make it a pre 6/1 or post 6/1 transaction the TOTAL cost is the same. One accounting method just spreads it out over 2 seasons.

Your use of "savings" is getting muddled by including the salary that JA would be due if he is on the roster in 2025 and 2026. While yes, that is a savings if he isn't, but, you still have to pay his replacement. The bottom line, no matter what the Packers do with JA, they have an accumulated dead cap on the books that has to be accounted for, in the amount of $19.092M.

I'm going to disagree with you on him being cut VS traded. Teams know what he is worth (if healthy) and his non-guaranteed $17M (2025) and $19.4M (2026) salaries would be considered a bargain by any team that decides he is worth the injury risk to trade for him.

Yes, I'm clear on how this works. Thanks.

 

[Thirteen Below]

The sad part about Clark is that he failed to live up to the contract they gave him. We need someone who can step into that spot if he's become a fat cat who doesn't want to do the dirty work any longer. It could be an off year for him, but we need that push up the gut.

I think a lot of us are very disappointed in Clark this year. He sure got awfully quiet as soon as he cashed that check, and I'm sure Gutekunst is not happy that a proven vet suddenly has the worst year of his career as soon as he gets his big contract.

Thankfully, his cap hit this year is only about 10M, and we have a fairly painless out next year. The following 2 years, it's just over 20m each season. So he's certainly going to have incentive to do well this year. If last year was a case of a player phoning it in after a jackpot contract, he's going to be motivated to show up for work this season. If he doesn't, then Gute is probably going to assume it's a waste of money to stick with him.

I don't think that anyone outside of the front office / coaches know if Monk will be able or ready to take over the starting duty next season.

Yeah; it's not like they have hours of game film to study. I don't think he even played a singe regular season snap, did he? To be fair to him, it's not like there was a need for him; other than Morgan our O-line was unusually healthy all season long. Most years, he could have expected to see action in at least a few games, maybe even a start or two.

I know the staff was very high on him going into the season, and I thought he played quite well in the pre-season. And maybe they still have good reason to be. But to us fans, he's a complete question mark.

If you listen to Gute it sounds like they want Myers back. Let's pray it isn't for too much...

But then on the other hand... maybe the team is not as enthusiastic about Monk anymore as they seemed last year....

I'd be fine with Davante if it was a good deal for everyone. That someone is out there. It's all about whether Gutekunst is willing to make the moves to clear up a roster spot and spend the cash on a veteran.

The Watson injury really moves someone like Adams further up the "wish list". Davante kills 2 birds with one stone - he fills the game-day void left by Watson, and (at least as importantly) he brings a lot of leadership. Last year, when the Jets signed him, his very first week in the locker room he was calling out his teammates and telling them they needed to show up, play with more pride and more fire, basically get their ***** in gear.

There were a lot of times last season when we could have used some of that, and given his history and impressive career, our players will listen to him. The receivers especially will learn a ton from him.

And he might not want all that much money - he wants a ring, and he knows he may have only one or two more seasons to get one. He had a pretty good year last year for a WR in his 13th season, and I think he'd be a solid contributor.

I think this is really the crux of the situation when it comes to JA. Don't think it really has anything to do with how much he makes, but rather, that he can't stay on the field to make that contract worth it.

Rob Demovsky says the word he's getting on the downlow from people in the know is that Green Bay is unlikely yo bring him back this year. Says they'd rather spend that money on players who actually... well.... play.

Report: Packers frustrated with CB Jaire Alexander

Alexander very well might be released this offseason

www.acmepackingcompany.com

There are strong indications that Alexander’s time with the Packers will end without him playing another down. Multiple team sources have privately expressed their frustration with Alexander’s inability to stay healthy and/or play through injuries.

According to ESPN, from a "dead money" salary cap perspective, kicking Jaire off the island this year would be very close to one of 20 most expensive cuts in the history of the NFL. $19,000,000 in dead cap. Fortunately, so many of our key players are still on rookie contracts we can absorb that without putting ourselves in salary cap hell, but I'll bet Gute is really second-guessing that contract the last year or so.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I still contend that people wanting to label JA as big injury risk and thus he needs to be purged, are over reacting to his 2 injuries over the last 2 seasons.

You make a reasonable point, as always. But on the other hand, over the last 3 seasons the man has played in only something like 46% of the games Green Bay has played. And each year, his body has gotten a year older.

I watched him play for years down here in Kentucky, and during his college career he had at least 5 injuries, including multiple knee injuries and multiple groin injuries. Some people's bodies just aren't built for football; it's like the discussion we keep having about Watson. Incredibly talented, but sprains a knee just opening opening a jar or peanut butter. After a few years, a GM has to ask himself if he can keep taking that risk.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You make a reasonable point, as always. But on the other hand, over the last 3 seasons the man has played in only something like 46% of the games Green Bay has played. And each year, his body has gotten a year older.

I watched him play for years down here in Kentucky, and during his college career he had at least 5 injuries, including multiple knee injuries and multiple groin injuries. Some people's bodies just aren't built for football; it's like the discussion we keep having about Watson. Incredibly talented, but sprains a knee just opening opening a jar or peanut butter. After a few years, a GM has to ask himself if he can keep taking that risk.

I didn't realize he had that injury history at Louisville. Rob Demovsky did a piece on Saturday and kind of hinted what I have always wondered about JA and that is him having an attitude that if he is 100% healthy, he won't play.

"Multiple team sources have privately expressed their frustration with Alexander's inability to stay healthy and/or play through injuries."

Like I said, I don't think the 2 injuries he sustained in the last 2 seasons should be a major concern, but if the Packers feel that this guy won't take the field unless he wants to, then yeah, he may be done in GB.

Over the years, I have said this numerous times about JA. Really good defender, but if he isn't directly involved in a play, he will stand around and watch others do all the dirty work (tackling). Maybe he feels he doesn't want to suffer some type of catastrophic career ending injury and chooses to only play healthy and only do "his job". However, that isn't how football in the NFL works and if that is his attitude, than he won't last long, even with another team.

Once again, JA is just another poster child of why big guaranteed contracts aren't a good thing for the game.

From Jaire Alexander to Brandon McManus: Which free agents should Packers keep or let go?

Green Bay doesn't have many big free agent decisions to make, but those big ones will be key.

www.espn.com

 

[El Guapo]

Once again, JA is just another poster child of why big guaranteed contracts aren't a good thing for the game.

There's definitely merit to that point. However, it is hardly different than other contracts that we have successfully done recently. [feel free to correct me if any of the numbers that I present are wrong]

All that was guaranteed in Jaire's contract was the $30M signing bonus - which was substantially less than Jalen Ramsey ($44M) and Cam Ward ($45M) were guaranteed at the same time. Nobody has complained about making Kenny one of the highest paid DL in 2020 - including a $25M guaranteed signing bonus. Most of the Aaron Rodgers guaranteed contracts worked out for us too.

The big issue in my mind is how we kept back-loading contracts to work around Rodgers. We never had enough cap space so we kicked the can down the road.

There is a good article about Jaire's signing here: https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...ension-includes-cap-friendly-2022/9836127002/

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The big issue in my mind is how we kept back-loading contracts to work around Rodgers. We never had enough cap space so we kicked the can down the road.

Bingo. This is the pitfall of the big contracts that I don't like. Also, while "only" $30M of JA's contract was guaranteed, that is a bit deceiving, since once a player is on a roster for a given season, that guarantees said player his salary.

BTW....I have been pretty vocal about Kenny Clark not living up to his contract and no, I didn't like the deal.

I think its comical that the article's headline reads:

"Packers save nearly $10 million in cap space"​

The link is a bit more honest by using the word "gain", but that still is not 100% accurate.

The Packers "deferred" nearly $10M in cap space from 2024 until 2025. Yes, they gained cap space for 2024, but they lost the same amount of cap space for 2025.

Now will they use it or bank it? They have 2 big contracts to thing about. One is basically a must and that is Jordan Love. The other, is Kenny Clark and personally, I won't mind seeing them pass on that one.

 

[tynimiller]

Bingo. This is the pitfall of the big contracts that I don't like. Also, while "only" $30M of JA's contract was guaranteed, that is a bit deceiving, since once a player is on a roster for a given season, that guarantees said player his salary.

BTW....I have been pretty vocal about Kenny Clark not living up to his contract and no, I didn't like the deal.

You never like second and third contracts for a teams' best players though LOL

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You never like second and third contracts for a teams' best players though LOL

Depends on the player and contract.

I'm not a fan of tying up a ton of money on one player, especially if a lot of it is guaranteed. Unless they are a QB. The only problem that I had with the Love contract, it came months before it needed to. Caving to a player threatening to sit out? Meh.