2020 Packers first round pick: Jordan Love, QB

[El Guapo]

I just don't think a 13-3 team should spend two draft picks on a guy that won't contribute for 3 years.

You'll change your tune if Rodgers goes down in a heap again.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

Can people PLEASE STOP COMPARING LOVE TO MAHOMES!!! It's just an absolutely silly comparison. Last year Love was not consistent at routine throws. Yes, his highlights are reminiscent of Mahomes but highlights should not be what you evaluate a QB with. Mahomes was a more consistent QB in college than Love. Also, it's just patently unfair to compare a rookie to the best QB in the NFL.

I watch Love's 18 highlights even prior to last year, and wasn't that impressed. He had some nice throws, as does every QB, but most of them seemed to be to wide open receivers. And there was still very inconsistent ball placement and touch. Receivers would have to slow down in order to make the catch or adjust at an awkward angle and introduce contact. I wonder if this year's supporting cast was really that bad, or if he just generally needed a lot more help in order to put up the numbers he did in 2018.

I can see when everything is perfect and he's at his best, he looks great and has the mentality required of an NFL QB. but it is very inconsistent, and that just isn't worth a 1st and a 4th on this team. I remember very little buzz about him being a top 10 pick even before an awful 2019, I think people just got a bit delusional because of Mahomes and people started falling in love with the upside and traits, as they always do. He's really no different than Gary .

 

[Mondio]

there are plenty of throws on the move that are in coverage and in a perfect spot.

 

[CanadaCheese]

exactly right and gute sees the reality of the situation. last year was a fluke...an entertaining fluke but a fluke nonetheless. they're not in a position to go to a SB let alone win one. they need good starters at 5 positions...CB, ILB, DT, OL, WR. maybe 6 with TE. they need to extend Clark, 69, and Aaron Aones. Kevin King? all that isn't happening. they don't have the time or cap to do it while Rodgers is still good.
MLF needs to have the whole locker room. he needs to be man. i think Rodgers supplants him in the room. Gute loves the guy and it's clear this pick supports MLF. MLF will actually be able to coach Love and finally run HIS system.

You sir are spot on.
This is at best a 10-6 team with a rapidly regressing HOF QB and allot of key holes to fill.
There are 3-4 NFC teams positioned ahead of them (SF, Dallas, NO, now Tampa and still probably Seattle) that we can't touch in the Rodgers window.
He wants out to spend time in Cali with Danica and to be in a place to win compete for a SB NOW...we can give that to him even if we drafted perfect (too many holes and to stiff a competition)
Time to move on for everyones sake and the sooner the better
This locker room has been toxic for 3-4 years since the Parkers would load up and sell the future for office and the times they did (Graham, etc.) it bust.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL IN THE NEAR FUTURE....accept it
Let's not have an ugly separation like the Farve fiasco....do it right

 

[gonzozab]

I don't know what everyone is complaining about. I thought you all wanted them to stop drafting defense in the first round.

 

[gbgary]

All of your wildly speculative theories about Rodgers and MLF have been debunked yet you continue to spew it all over the forum as if it's absolute fact.

debunked? the company line being rattled off by a couple of guys isn't debunking. lol

 

[HardRightEdge]

Why I am OK with It...

For me, I'm OK with it because I have no control over the situation.

My only available option is to give this up as a hobby and become a casual fan as was the case during my working life. Seriously, one unfortunate first round pick should not in and over itself alter someones level of interest.

The thought has crossed my mind on many occasions, regadless of wins, losses or draft picks, that this is a colossal waste of time while being sufficiently self-aware to know I'm too lazy to do anything about it. At least it's warming up a bit today and tomorrow and I can get in some yard work. Happy days!

 

[melvin dangerr]

Ok I’ll go with huh? On this pick #Gute better get a good O’line if he’s serious about a SB,

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

one of which is that we now have a 2nd string QB.

I have read this a few times. As much as I want to upgrade our 2nd string QB, as of right now we haven't. Will he be an upgrade over Boyle eventually? Hopefully, but we all saw how poor of a #2 QB that DeShone Kizer was and he was considered by some as a future star.

So yes, if all goes well, perhaps in 2021 Love becomes a backup that might be an improvement over Boyle, Kizer or Hundley. But for now, all we have is a developmental QB that will need quite a bit of work and proving himself on an NFL playing field, to be considered a quality #2 QB.

 

[Matt39]

Here is why this makes no sense. One of the primary benefits of having a young QB1 is to make a run on their rookie deal. Performance vs pay scale is never as lopsided in the teams favor as it is on a team with a rookie deal QB1. This is why we saw team like Seattle, LA, Baltimore and many others build teams that made deep runs, they could afford to add these pieces without paying their QB.

Fast forward, ideally we get what 1 year of rookie deal without also paying Rodgers and then have to choose to either pay him starter money or let him walk? Putting yourself in a tight spot, you'll almost certainly have to give him a second contract at starter market rates, and hope for the best. If he doesn't pan out at that point you've set your team behind by 7-8 years!

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Green Bay has been a very well run organization in my lifetime of watching this team. I've been a fan of real bad organizations (Bulls most specifically). The dumbest thing you can do as a bad organization flip flop back and forth between rebuilding and fighting for a championship within the same calendar year. The Packers did that yesterday. To me they said we are more invested in 2025 than 2020. A pretty young team that just made the NFC Championship game is not the time to go in a different direction at QB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

all plausible and beneficial outcomes. Not the instant cheer we want, but can be just as valuable none the less, of course part of that will depend on who else they get this draft. Plenty of time and picks to get help, but they have to hit on 2-3 at least. One thing I know, is even after the draft, Gute won't stop looking for ways to improve the roster with cut downs and stuff that follows.

I think it's important for people to not pin the hopes and success or failure of the next season on 1 player picked at a certain position. Still lots of ways to improve this team, even with a QB we hope doesn't play for a couple years, it can still be a good pick. Not my favorite or desired, but still good.

Agree, but only if you agree right here and now that Jordan Love cost the Packers TWO draft picks!

 

[gbgary]

Last year Love couldn't hit wide-open receivers consistently. Sure, complain about the competition or teammates, but missing over 10% of your throws to open receivers is not a good sign. He certainly need development, which he'll get since Rodgers' contract ensures he'll be the QB for the next 3 years. I just don't think a 13-3 team should spend two draft picks on a guy that won't contribute for 3 years.

Rodgers had the same problem. wonder what his % was. Love has upside. Rodgers doesn't. he's trending down and he's costing them a fortune. this was also a power move by Gute AND MLF. as I said earlier if Rodgers isn't gone before 2021 he'll surely be gone before 2022.

 

[McKnowledge]

I actually like the move, feelings be damned. The Packers now have a QB with great potential under team control for the next five seasons. If the kid develops well, he's a great backup. He develops rapidly, it gives the Packers two options, trade the kid for great assets; or begin the era of Love.

There is no guarantee that the receivers in the first round are drastically better than the receivers that will get drafted tonight and the subsequent rounds.

Let's all R-E-L-A-X and see how the draft unfolds as well as post-draft free agency.

 

[Mondio]

we spent 2, it cost 1. Same as before

 

[AmishMafia]

Can people PLEASE STOP COMPARING LOVE TO MAHOMES!!! It's just an absolutely silly comparison. Last year Love was not consistent at routine throws. Yes, his highlights are reminiscent of Mahomes but highlights should not be what you evaluate a QB with. Mahomes was a more consistent QB in college than Love. Also, it's just patently unfair to compare a rookie to the best QB in the NFL.

Love is a lot like Mahommes. They have a "O" and an "E" in their last names.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Also what's frustrating is the teams in recent years (Baltimore, Seattle, Phily, Kansas City) won because their qbs were on rookie deals and were able to spend everywhere else. Even Brady was on a discounted deal most of the past decade. I don't get why it helps paying Love $15 mil in 4 years and we're not sure if he can even play. You can get away with not paying top 10 picks hardly any money these days in their rookie deal as opposed to 10+ years ago. This move is dumb financially and dumb for any chance to win now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Packers might even be able to trade Love for a second rounder if he looks really good! Seriously though, I hope Love becomes great and people can pretend that spending a 1st and a 4th on a guy who is sitting on the bench for 3 years was worth it.

I think given that this move was made by the organization that had Brett Favre and seemingly drafted Aaron Rodgers out of the blue and unnecessarily, most Packer fans will fall back on the hope that this was a very similar move that will bear a similar outcome.

Very well could be and I doubt any of us complain if it works out in a similar way. So for now I am going to just say that I really like Jordan Love the prospect QB, but really wonder what Gute and MLF think about Rodgers future in Green Bay. Like it or not, this just added another chip to his shoulder.

 

[Do7]

You sir are spot on.
This is at best a 10-6 team with a rapidly regressing HOF QB and allot of key holes to fill.
There are 3-4 NFC teams positioned ahead of them (SF, Dallas, NO, now Tampa and still probably Seattle) that we can't touch in the Rodgers window.
He wants out to spend time in Cali with Danica and to be in a place to win compete for a SB NOW...we can give that to him even if we drafted perfect (too many holes and to stiff a competition)
Time to move on for everyones sake and the sooner the better
This locker room has been toxic for 3-4 years since the Parkers would load up and sell the future for office and the times they did (Graham, etc.) it bust.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL IN THE NEAR FUTURE....accept it
Let's not have an ugly separation like the Farve fiasco....do it right

A rapidly regressing QB? That is a bit over dramatic if you ask me, but whatever. I mean it's not like we went 13-3 last year, but sure. As for We are not going to The Superbowl in the near future, I'll take that bet.

 

[melvin dangerr]

I’ll guess we’ll have to wait and see how Love comes along, but GB should have at least 3-4 SB’s with Rodgers and it was management And coaching that pissed his talent away, I hope Love can develop under Rodgers, if he can survive a full season w/o getting hurt, and maybe no help, we’ll see..

 

[Mondio]

Love is a lot like Mahommes. They have a "O" and an "E" in their last names.

coincidence? I think not!

 

[Dantés]

If people want to like the pick, there are things in Love's film and in the reports about him that will allow them to do so.

If people want to hate the pick, there are things in Love's film and in the reports about him that will allow them to do so.

Gutekunst and LaFleur liked what they saw enough to make the investment. Simply because they think that doesn't mean it's going to work out by any means. But they went for it, and now their legacies with Green Bay are tied to this investment.

But what is just flat out wrong are the takes that this kid has no redeeming qualities or that anyone could watch his film and see he will never work.

It's also important to realize that a lot of the metrics, while they seem cut and dry, are actually more subjective than you'd think. PFF thinks Love was supremely inaccurate. The Athletic posted a graphic that showed Love was 2nd behind only Burrow in accuracy %, saying that 90% of his passes beyond the LOS were catchable.

I'm not saying one is right or one is wrong. I'm just saying that it's not that simple.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

The strategy of drafting a QB and allowing him to sit behind a HOF yielded us 1 SB appearance and a lot of frustrating "what could have been". Having HOF QBs has yielded us 2 SBs in nearly 3 decades, mainly because we do the exact OPPOSITE of what KC has done- they don't surround him with talent, they don't hire good coaches, they have a very lackadaisical approach to roster building and winning and basically milk them for their own job security. So if he somehow becomes a HOF QB, the organization has shown very little in terms of being able to build a competitive roster. I'd rather see them go all in as well as a desire to do what is necessary. Now our worst fear is realized-the new regime is the same as the old regime. Get ready for another mediocre ride.

 

[CanadaCheese]

I’ll guess we’ll have to wait and see how Love comes along, but GB should have at least 3-4 SB’s with Rodgers and it was management And coaching that pissed his talent away, I hope Love can develop under Rodgers, if he can survive a full season w/o getting hurt, and maybe no help, we’ll see..

Agree on all counts
Probably should have one maybe two more SB since the teams in NE over the past 10-12 years had allot to say who was hoisting the Lombardi.
The fact that we wouldn't dip into free agency more often when specific needs were there in specific years we lost the opportunities and we didn't cut bait on non-performers soon enough to free up options.

 

[Mondio]

The strategy of drafting a QB and allowing him to sit behind a HOF yielded us 1 SB appearance and a lot of frustrating "what could have been". Having HOF QBs has yielded us 2 SBs in nearly 3 decades, mainly because we do the exact OPPOSITE of what KC has done- they don't surround him with talent, they don't hire good coaches, they have a very lackadaisical approach to roster building and winning and basically milk them for their own job security. So if he somehow becomes a HOF QB, the organization has shown very little in terms of being able to build a competitive roster. I'd rather see them go all in as well as a desire to do what is necessary. Now our worst fear is realized-the new regime is the same as the old regime. Get ready for another mediocre ride.

How many Super Bowls has KC won in the past nearly 3 decades? They won one, congrats, now the hard part starts. In recent memory, it's been Denver, the Seahawks, the RAMS etc. Every year it's a new team that has done it right and none of them every won anything more than GB did and had periods of far less success. NE being the only outlier. But i'm not sure what we're seeing there is normal LOL

 

[FaninColorado]

You'll change your tune if Rodgers goes down in a heap again.

I agree with that... except I'll be pissed at Gute for not providing the help to protect Rodgers. OT Josh Jones was available, WR's were available. Like I said earlier, we had an opportunity to fix glaring holes at ILB, WR#2, DT, or OT... All were available to help this team NOW... and we passed on that for someone who is playing in 3-4 years or when ARod goes down in a heap because our GM refused to help out our HoF QB.