2018 Season = Philosophy Change

[Carl 2]

Not sarcasm at all. You literally posted that a GM find all those players in 2018 alone, which is highly unreasonable.

Your assessment of the o line is still way off. Taylor has replaced Sitton no problem and Evans has replaced Lang, both for much less money.

Finally, by stud, I meant solid, not elite. We just had different definitions there it looks like.

Out of curiosity, who would you propose letting go or not resigning by spending money on Sitton, Lang, and Mack?

 

[McKnowledge]

Not sarcasm at all. You literally posted that a GM find all those players in 2018 alone, which is highly unreasonable.

Your assessment of the o line is still way off. Taylor has replaced Sitton no problem and Evans has replaced Lang, both for much less money.

Finally, by stud, I meant solid, not elite. We just had different definitions there it looks like.

There's the draft, free agency, trades, as well as the supplemental draft. There is a lot of ways to improve a roster. Look at what the Jaguars have done. My assessment is not off, Sitton and Lang were Pro Bowl, almost All-Pro level lineman. You do not let them go so easily. Who cares about "less money"? Packers have been sitting on cap room for several seasons now. In hindsight, it might've have been good to let Nick Perry walk and use that money in free agency for other pieces (I really wanted the Packers to go after Zach Brown and Melvin Engram), he is not getting it done. Finally, if you meant solid, that's what you should've said. Stud=elite.

 

[brandon2348]

There's the draft, free agency, trades, as well as the supplemental draft. There is a lot of ways to improve a roster. Look at what the Jaguars have done. My assessment is not off, Sitton and Lang were Pro Bowl, almost All-Pro level lineman. You do not let them go so easily. Who cares about "less money"? Packers have been sitting on cap room for several seasons now. In hindsight, it might've have been good to let Nick Perry walk and use that money in free agency for other pieces (I really wanted the Packers to go after Zach Brown and Melvin Engram), he is not getting it done. Finally, if you meant solid, that's what you should've said. Stud=elite.

Zach Brown would of been an amazing addition. I wanted them to go after Mo Claiborne instead of House.

 

[McKnowledge]

Out of curiosity, who would you propose letting go or not resigning by spending money on Sitton, Lang, and Mack?

In hindsight? Which is always 20/20? Nick Perry could've went, Cobb could've went (via trade), restructured CM3's deal. Got rid of Guion sooner. A lot of veterans are willing to play for a contender on a 1 or 2 year deal.

 

[brandon2348]

In hindsight? Which is always 20/20? Nick Perry could've went, Cobb could've went (via trade), restructured CM3's deal. Got rid of Guion sooner. A lot of veterans are willing to play for a contender on a 1 or 2 year deal.

If they restructured CM3 they could of easily brought in a guy like Connor Barwin.

 

[McKnowledge]

and this is pure comedy LOL

Lang and Sitton were both replaced and more than adequately. Bulaga is always injured yes, the rest of your assessment, well it is what it is. Freeny is where? Avril hasn't been a FA for years and we had Matthews in his prime and Peppers, so just what the **** are you talking about? just talking I suppose, no thought necessary LOL

Freeny is in Seattle. Avril is Avril. Solid, a specialist. I meant guys that are good at one thing, plug in and play, without breaking the bank. Matthews, true, but why double down, when he's past his prime? As far as Peppers, we never had him in his prime; Julius Peppers is "prime-less".

 

[brandon2348]

They also could of gotten Carl Lawson instead of Biegel in the 4th. Well see how it plays out but Lawson has been productive as a rookie.

 

[McKnowledge]

If they restructured CM3 they could of easily brought in a guy like Connor Barwin.

Yes. Forgot about Barwin. Thank you. Its like Thompson strives for consistent mediocrity.

 

[Carl 2]

There's the draft, free agency, trades, as well as the supplemental draft. There is a lot of ways to improve a roster. Look at what the Jaguars have done. My assessment is not off, Sitton and Lang were Pro Bowl, almost All-Pro level lineman. You do not let them go so easily. Who cares about "less money"? Packers have been sitting on cap room for several seasons now. In hindsight, it might've have been good to let Nick Perry walk and use that money in free agency for other pieces (I really wanted the Packers to go after Zach Brown and Melvin Engram), he is not getting it done. Finally, if you meant solid, that's what you should've said. Stud=elite.

I'm aware of the ways to improve a roster. That doesn't mean any new GM would get all those pieces in one off season.

If you expect a new GM to pull off all the upgrades you want in one off season, you wouldn't be happy with any GM.

Your assessment is off. It's a fact there hasn't been a much of a drop off at guard with the changes. Sitton has not been all pro leaving since leaving by the way. We'll just disagree about the line.

 

[Carl 2]

Yes. Forgot about Barwin. Thank you. Its like Thompson strives for consistent mediocrity.

Barwin currently is an average OLB...

Nothing special this year by any means.

 

[McKnowledge]

They also could of gotten Carl Lawson instead of Biegel in the 4th. Well see how it plays out but Lawson has been productive as a rookie.

Good point. I think Thompson wants to hit "home runs" with the unknown types, the grinders, the "other guys". I think he has an aversion to players from the SEC & ACC. Lawson > Biegel all day.

 

[Carl 2]

If they restructured CM3 they could of easily brought in a guy like Connor Barwin.

The incentive for Matthews to restructure would have been? Deals are a two way street.

 

[McKnowledge]

I'm aware of the ways to improve a roster. That doesn't mean any new GM would get all those pieces in one off season.

If you expect a new GM to pull off all the upgrades you want in one off season, you wouldn't be happy with any GM.

Your assessment is off. It's a fact there hasn't been a much of a drop off at guard with the changes. Sitton has not been all pro leaving since leaving by the way. We'll just disagree about the line.

Well no, Sitton plays for the Bears, he's not going to the Pro Bowl again. He chased the money that GB wouldn't give him.

 

[McKnowledge]

Barwin currently is an average OLB...

Nothing special this year by any means.

Maybe not, but a lot of guys are not effective every year that could've been good/great else where. At least, Connor Barwin is on a team with a legitimate shot at making the Super Bowl, and yes that team is the Rams. Plus, with GB, he could've been a lethal 3rd down pass rusher.

 

[McKnowledge]

The incentive for Matthews to restructure would have been? Deals are a two way street.

Answer: Restructure or go somewhere else, and risk being on a team that doesn't utilize him correctly.

 

[brandon2348]

Barwin currently is an average OLB...

Nothing special this year by any means.

And Kyler Fackrell is?

 

[Carl 2]

Maybe not, but a lot of guys are not effective every year that could've been good/great else where. At least, Connor Barwin is on a team with a legitimate shot at making the Super Bowl, and yes that team is the Rams. Plus, with GB, he could've been a lethal 3rd down pass rusher.

Would they be a Super Bowl contender with Goff? Absolutely not.

Being a contender right now is something the Packers have been for many years so it's not like the Rams are going anything TT and the Packers haven't.

It's interesting when fans complain about TT then bring up teams like the Jaguars or Rams as examples to support their argument even though those teams have accomplished nothing yet.

I also see no reason how Barwin is average in LA, but could be lethal in GB.

 

[brandon2348]

Good point. I think Thompson wants to hit "home runs" with the unknown types, the grinders, the "other guys". I think he has an aversion to players from the SEC & ACC. Lawson > Biegel all day.

I don't understand his infatuation with taking all these defensive players from the "soft 12 conference" that's for sure.

 

[Carl 2]

I don't understand his infatuation with taking all these defensive players from the "soft 12 conference" that's for sure.

Yeah, Martinez, Clay, Perry, and Clark are all soft and never should have been taken just because of their college conference...

Sarcasm aside, believing TT does or doesn't take players just because of their college conference has no merit to it.

 

[McKnowledge]

Would they be a Super Bowl contender with Goff? Absolutely not.

Being a contender right now is something the Packers have been for many years so it's not like the Rams are going anything TT and the Packers haven't.

It's interesting when fans complain about TT then bring up teams like the Jaguars or Rams as examples to support their argument even though those teams have accomplished nothing yet.

I also see no reason how Barwin is average in LA, but could be lethal in GB.

Utilization. Barwin could've been a pass rusher, that's all. 3rd down, 4th down, long distance 1st and 2nd down. Three point stance, get up and go chase down the QB. As far as the Jaguars and Rams, they don't have a Aaron Rodgers. You give a healthy Aaron Rodgers, a stud RB and a top 15 defense and the Packers would steamroll teams. The Jaguars and Rams have drastically improved by identifying their weaknesses and aggressively solving them. Honestly, every year, its the same old thing, Packers have to do "just enough" and let AR12 handle the rest. Screw that. I say treat Aaron Rodgers like the icing and not the cake.

 

[OldSchool101]

The more and more I think about it, thing that stands out to me most is that we have consistently been plagued by injuries, however we choose to put all our eggs in one basket with guys like CM3.
On Defense, the concept of a particular player or two having a catastrophic effect on our overall performance has not been successful. We more often than not overpay a player like CM3 at 13Million. We end up getting the equivalent of 6Million a year worth of production because he’s playing with injury or missing games. In this case and many similar cases we would be better off finding 2 solid players for roughly half (4-8Million) to fill his spot and give us some depth. We picked up Ahmad Brooks for less than 4M. We could’ve had 4 Ahmad Brooks type players for Clays salary.
Injuries are going to happen, We have to change our way of thinking and making sure that the dropoff in production from #1 to #2 at a given position is mitigated. Maybe even no dropoff with some good fortune.
There are some positions like RB that you can grab a guy like Jonathan Franklin and get bear immediate results. OLB is a specialty position that takes several years to refine. We can’t rely on the hopeful Vince Biegels of the world to be difference makers day 1.
TT is too busy bargain shopping and trying to save a nickel at the Dollar Tree, partly because he’s forced to after he’s Blown his *** of cash in 1hr at Sax 5th Ave.

 

[Carl 2]

Utilization. Barwin could've been a pass rusher, that's all. 3rd down, 4th down, long distance 1st and 2nd down. Three point stance, get up and go chase down the QB. As far as the Jaguars and Rams, they don't have a Aaron Rodgers. You give a healthy Aaron Rodgers, a stud RB and a top 15 defense and the Packers would steamroll teams. The Jaguars and Rams have drastically improved by identifying their weaknesses and aggressively solving them. Honestly, every year, its the same old thing, Packers have to do "just enough" and let AR12 handle the rest. Screw that. I say treat Aaron Rodgers like the icing and not the cake.

It's pure specialization that Barwin would be lethal in GB. Nothing behind that at all.

The Rams and Jaguars have turned it around more by being awful and having high picks more than any aggression.

You give those teams Rodgers and they don't have Gurley, Donald, Ramsey, or Fornette either.

 

[brandon2348]

Yeah, Martinez, Clay, Perry, and Clark are all soft and never should have been taken just because of their college conference...

Sarcasm aside, believing TT does or doesn't take players just because of their college conference has no merit to it.

You conveniently forgot to mention Datone Jones and Demarious Randall and Carl Bradford. Kevin King is already showing injury concerns too. It's not just the "Soft 12" either. He finds soft guys to play defense wherever he seems to go to draft players.

He has also spent valuable draft capital on the likes of Rollins, Fackrell, Khyri Thornton and Jerel Worthless. No wonder our defense sucks.

 

[Carl 2]

You conveniently forgot to mention Datone Jones and Demarious Randall and Carl Bradford. Kevin King is already showing injury concerns too. It's not just the "Soft 12" either. He finds soft guys to play defense wherever he seems to go to draft players.

He has also spent valuable draft capital on the likes of Rollins, Frackrell, Khyri Thornton. No wonder our defense sucks.

The point is being from the Pac 12 conference doesn't make a difference when he's clearly had both successful and unsuccessful picks from it.

 

[McKnowledge]

It's pure specialization that Barwin would be lethal in GB. Nothing behind that at all.

The Rams and Jaguars have turned it around more by being awful and having high picks more than any aggression.

You give those teams Rodgers and they don't have Gurley, Donald, Ramsey, or Fornette either.

I hear you...well read you. The Jaguars have impressed me more than the Rams with their moves. True they don't have AR12...that's the point. We do. We do. Its time for the Packers to get creative this offseason. I think any first round pick outside the top 12 should be trade for more picks, depending on the final record. The construction of this roster is weird. Its not balanced.