2017 Draft/FA Needs - Ranked

[brandon2348]

Both would be great additions to one of the big Cbs if we sign em, Jackson would be great to add to Trumaine Johnson and Tankersley would be great to add to Stephon Gilmore.

I'd take either of those combinations and be very happy.

Add some pass rush and we might actually have something.

 

[sdh09e44]

yea i would have supreme confidence in this team with any one those combinations.

pass rush? idk. Still a huge question mark.

1) Perry should be resigned cause we have no one else.
2) Clay needs to man up, as well as take a pay cut like everyone is talking about. An extra 5 mil would be huge.
3) Elliot (cheap to resign)..Fackrell....


I think Peppers will hang em up and there is no reason to keep Jones, so we will need to add someone who can rush the passer. Not going to be easy. Is Calais Campbell going to break the bank? They have to sign Chandler Jones...idk

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Ryan Anderson from Bama is a beast. That's my favorite pass rush prospect that is a realistic option for us.

 

[brandon2348]

yea i would have supreme confidence in this team with any one those combinations.

pass rush? idk. Still a huge question mark.

1) Perry should be resigned cause we have no one else.
2) Clay needs to man up, as well as take a pay cut like everyone is talking about. An extra 5 mil would be huge.
3) Elliot (cheap to resign)..Fackrell....


I think Peppers will hang em up and there is no reason to keep Jones, so we will need to add someone who can rush the passer. Not going to be easy. Is Calais Campbell going to break the bank? They have to sign Chandler Jones...idk

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Ryan Anderson from Bama is a beast. That's my favorite pass rush prospect that is a realistic option for us.

I've watched Anderson play a lot and he can get after it.

I like TJ Watt because he has shown he can set edge and get after passer. I want Hasson Red****(Temple) . He had a great senior bowl and is excellent value. He is a little undersized but flies off the edge and to the ball for that matter. He could be moved around in what Capers does and bring heat.

Carlos Watkins(DT Clemson) can bring it up the middle and disrupt and push pocket.

I say let Peppers and Jones go. Resign Perry and work something out with Matthews.

There will plenty of free agent pass rushers available as well as things move along. They can make this defense better.

 

[7thFloorRA]

I would love TJ Watt but will he fall to the 2nd round pick? I can't imagine he will. Someone will take a shot on the lil bro.

 

[brandon2348]

There gonna have to take Watt in 1st. They could probably trade back a little bit and get him if they found the right team to do it with.

 

[sdh09e44]

I've watched Anderson play a lot and he can get after it.

I like TJ Watt because he has shown he can set edge and get after passer. I want Hasson Red****(Temple) . He had a great senior bowl and is excellent value. He is a little undersized but flies off the edge and to the ball for that matter. He could be moved around in what Capers does and bring heat.

Carlos Watkins(DT Clemson) can bring it up the middle and disrupt and push pocket.

I say let Peppers and Jones go. Resign Perry and work something out with Matthews.

There will plenty of free agent pass rushers available as well as things move along. They can make this defense better.

Any of those 3 OLBs would be a nice pick up. Watt is a beast. Love his intensity. But yea, most likely a first rounder. Sign a CB, draft Watt in the 1st, draft my guy Tankersley in the 2nd and it could work.

I also just heard about Red**** during the senior bowl. Like him a lot. Good in pass coverage too, that's a huge plus.

I hope they pick up a DT that can provide more of a pass rush. Those guys usually fall early. Demarcus Walker from florida state is one that can hang around though. Dalvin Tomlinson is another bama guy I also like.
But again, Calais Campbell situation is interesting. They have to give Chandler Jones 14-16 mil, and they also have Nkemdiche in the wings. Signing CC might put us out of contention for Gilmore or Johnson but then maybe we turn to Dre Kirkpatrick or Amukamara, or Rodgers Cromartie if he is cut, Revis if he is cut? Possibilities possibilities.

 

[Mark Andrew Hooley]

I think what's far more likely is a 1/2 round pick at CB and a second tier FA CB like Amukamara. I would love a Gilmore or Trumain Johnson. Just can't see TT playing the outbidding game come March 9th.

 

[jetfixer]

1. Sign the Packer F/A's we want to keep. Cut the junk.
Perry, Hyde, Lang, Tretter, Cook, maybe Lacy. /Shields, Peppers, and others out.
2. Decide the teams needs.
CB, LB, DL, OL,TE
3. Decide the drafts strength and weakness
4. Find a few F/A's we need , a plus would be at positions which are weak in the draft, but that's not a must. Just get a few.
5. Draft smart.

 

[rodell330]

Why is everyone so in love with McCaffrey?!! He's just a smaller version of Ty Montgomery!! And less polished as a wr. Dalvin Cook is going to be better than McCaffrey anyways and we don't need him either. If cornerback isn't the first priority idk what is!!

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

I'm curious to see what round Montravius Adams will fall to. I'd love to get a pass rusher and then Adams in the second if we are able to grab a veteran corner in free agency. Just imagine a rotation of Adams, Clark, Daniels, and Guion up front with a new OLB to pair with Perry and Matthews. That would certainly make the DB's job easier.

Then add a mid round corner and a good veteran corner. Things would immediately start looking better on defense.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

yea i would have supreme confidence in this team with any one those combinations.

pass rush? idk. Still a huge question mark.

1) Perry should be resigned cause we have no one else.
2) Clay needs to man up, as well as take a pay cut like everyone is talking about. An extra 5 mil would be huge.
3) Elliot (cheap to resign)..Fackrell....


I think Peppers will hang em up and there is no reason to keep Jones, so we will need to add someone who can rush the passer. Not going to be easy. Is Calais Campbell going to break the bank? They have to sign Chandler Jones...idk

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Ryan Anderson from Bama is a beast. That's my favorite pass rush prospect that is a realistic option for us.

If the Packers end up with Ryan Anderson in the first round I would be ecstatic. Packers at least have depth at corner; not good depth, but depth. Packers don't even have depth at pass rusher (be it OLB or dline). Packers will probably overpay Perry who has had exactly one good season in five years and Matthews is on the decline...Daniels is really good but he's not enough by himself. At this point Fackrell is basically just a name on the media guide. Packers have seen flashes from Randall and Rollins that might give hope they could be better next year (not saying they will, just that there have been the occasional periods of good play); that doesn't exist on the team when it comes to pass rushers.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I'm curious to see what round Montravius Adams will fall to. I'd love to get a pass rusher and then Adams in the second if we are able to grab a veteran corner in free agency. Just imagine a rotation of Adams, Clark, Daniels, and Guion up front with a new OLB to pair with Perry and Matthews. That would certainly make the DB's job easier.

Then add a mid round corner and a good veteran corner. Things would immediately start looking better on defense.

Jordan Willis is a guy I want to learn more about when looking at guys the Packers might like. Willis was PFF's highest graded edge rusher in college football this season and he's got the prototypical size to play OLB in the NFL. At the Senior Bowl he rushed the passer only 22 times yet managed two sacks and 4 hurries, that's outstanding production. For the season he pressured the QB on 16.6% of his pass rushes; for comparison Ryan Anderson, thought to be one of the best pass rushers in the draft, got pressure on 17.7% of his pass rushes.

Regarding Adams, PFF has some interesting numbers on him from this past season: he pressured the QB on 10.8% of his pass rushes (Carlos Watkins was at 9.3%). Only weakness I could see from the limited amount of data available from the table PFF posted is that Adams has a slightly above average missed tackle percent, 12.2% vs an average of 10.9%.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-senior-bowl-players-to-watch-defense/

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Why is everyone so in love with McCaffrey?!! He's just a smaller version of Ty Montgomery!! And less polished as a wr. Dalvin Cook is going to be better than McCaffrey anyways and we don't need him either. If cornerback isn't the first priority idk what is!!

Pass rush and corner are kinda tied.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Jordan Willis is a guy I want to learn more about when looking at guys the Packers might like. Willis was PFF's highest graded edge rusher in college football this season and he's got the prototypical size to play OLB in the NFL. At the Senior Bowl he rushed the passer only 22 times yet managed two sacks and 4 hurries, that's outstanding production. For the season he pressured the QB on 16.6% of his pass rushes; for comparison Ryan Anderson, thought to be one of the best pass rushers in the draft, got pressure on 17.7% of his pass rushes.

Regarding Adams, PFF has some interesting numbers on him from this past season: he pressured the QB on 10.8% of his pass rushes (Carlos Watkins was at 9.3%). Only weakness I could see from the limited amount of data available from the table PFF posted is that Adams has a slightly above average missed tackle percent, 12.2% vs an average of 10.9%.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-senior-bowl-players-to-watch-defense/

I love Willis as a prospect and he seems like a Packer pick. He's flying a little under the radar and a lot of casual fans might be upset with the pick, but I'd be psyched. I'm trying to figure out why Adams grades so high, but players like Watkins are ranked ahead of him. He seems like the best player on that side of the ball for Auburn and the numbers back that up. I bet we'll see a big rise in his projection in the coming weeks.

 

[sdh09e44]

If the Packers end up with Ryan Anderson in the first round I would be ecstatic. Packers at least have depth at corner; not good depth, but depth. Packers don't even have depth at pass rusher (be it OLB or dline). Packers will probably overpay Perry who has had exactly one good season in five years and Matthews is on the decline...Daniels is really good but he's not enough by himself. At this point Fackrell is basically just a name on the media guide. Packers have seen flashes from Randall and Rollins that might give hope they could be better next year (not saying they will, just that there have been the occasional periods of good play); that doesn't exist on the team when it comes to pass rushers.

I'm actually doing a Fanspeak draft right now.

Jourdan Lewis Adoree Jackson Cordrea Tankersley Desmond King are the top 4 CBs left.

Mckinley and Taco Charlton are also there and would make sense if a CB is signed. Anderson is there too but the rankings have him as the 57th ranked prospect. I wonder if he would be there in the 2nd, that would be huge. TJ Watt as well, he is the 49th ranked prospect. TT could do some moving up in the 2nd again if he wants Anderson or Watt.
Some DTs are options too. As Brandon said, we could use a DT that can get to the QB better than Clark or Guion can. But then at the same time we have better depth there than we do at OLB. Those two, Lowry and Daniels, Pennel?, or a replacement for Pennel makes us way more set there than we are at OLB.

Obviously fanspeak is completely a crap shoot, but it's interesting how many guys are hanging around. And as always, Free Agency moves make the draft so much easier.

Either way, Randall or Rollins are still going to be a huge part of the CB core going forward. One of them needs to have a rebound year. Gunter too of course, who probably will be fine in the slot/dime nickel situations. Never in a million years would that guy be able to cover Dez or Julio, he wasn't ever supposed to be expected to do that. Throw him on some 3rd or 4th WRs and he will be fine. I think Rollins is better off for that role too. Then I think Randall is the most promising outside guy out of these 3. I wouldn't feel great with him being the #2 though, but maybe it could work. Well see

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm curious to see what round Montravius Adams will fall to. I'd love to get a pass rusher and then Adams in the second if we are able to grab a veteran corner in free agency. Just imagine a rotation of Adams, Clark, Daniels, and Guion up front with a new OLB to pair with Perry and Matthews. That would certainly make the DB's job easier.

Pass rushers will continue to have a hard time pressuring the quarterback if the cornerbacks can't even cover receivers for two seconds. Therefore improving the secondary is the main priority for the team this offseason.

If the Packers end up with Ryan Anderson in the first round I would be ecstatic. Packers at least have depth at corner; not good depth, but depth. Packers don't even have depth at pass rusher (be it OLB or dline). Packers will probably overpay Perry who has had exactly one good season in five years and Matthews is on the decline...Daniels is really good but he's not enough by himself. At this point Fackrell is basically just a name on the media guide. Packers have seen flashes from Randall and Rollins that might give hope they could be better next year (not saying they will, just that there have been the occasional periods of good play); that doesn't exist on the team when it comes to pass rushers.

While I agree the Packers need to address the outside linebacker position this offseason there's absolutely no reason to feel goid about the depth at cornerback. Perry (I expect him to be re-signed) and Matthews have had way more impact plays in the past than Randall and Rollins.

Gunter too of course, who probably will be fine in the slot/dime nickel situations. Never in a million years would that guy be able to cover Dez or Julio, he wasn't ever supposed to be expected to do that. Throw him on some 3rd or 4th WRs and he will be fine. I think Rollins is better off for that role too. Then I think Randall is the most promising outside guy out of these 3. I wouldn't feel great with him being the #2 though, but maybe it could work. Well see

While Rollins is most likely best suited to play in the slot Gunter isn't agile enough to line up there. Randall should probably be moved to free safety. Be that as it may the Packers are in dire need of perimeter cornerbacks.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Pass rushers will continue to have a hard time pressuring the quarterback if the cornerbacks can't even cover receivers for two seconds. Therefore improving the secondary is the main priority for the team this offseason

While I agree the Packers need to address the outside linebacker position this offseason there's absolutely no reason to feel goid about the depth at cornerback. Perry (I expect him to be re-signed) and Matthews have had way more impact plays in the past than Randall and Rollins.

I never said I feel good about the depth, I simply said there WAS depth. There is basically nothing at OLB if Matthews moves to ILB and if Matthews stays at OLB then there's no depth behind him when the inevitable injury knocks him out for a few games; and if you're counting on Perry to be a starter at OLB next year then you REALLY need depth because a combo of Perry and Matthews might be the most injury prone due in the NFL.

As for corners being more important, I have to disagree. A great pass rush can compensate for bad corners. A bad pass rush can hang a great corner out to dry. Gunter's main issue is speed. That weakness is mainly exploited in longer developing plays, not three step drops, unless the team has a bad pass rush and then needs to have him play off the receiver. If the team could count on the pass rush, the corners could play more bump n' run...point being that pass rush is the best defense against the pass, not corners.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I never said I feel good about the depth, I simply said there WAS depth. There is basically nothing at OLB if Matthews moves to ILB and if Matthews stays at OLB then there's no depth behind him when the inevitable injury knocks him out for a few games; and if you're counting on Perry to be a starter at OLB next year then you REALLY need depth because a combo of Perry and Matthews might be the most injury prone due in the NFL.

As for corners being more important, I have to disagree. A great pass rush can compensate for bad corners. A bad pass rush can hang a great corner out to dry. Gunter's main issue is speed. That weakness is mainly exploited in longer developing plays, not three step drops, unless the team has a bad pass rush and then needs to have him play off the receiver. If the team could count on the pass rush, the corners could play more bump n' run...point being that pass rush is the best defense against the pass, not corners.

There´s no doubt the Packers have to address the depth at outside linebacker even if Perry is re-signed this offseason. Unfortunately the front office has to significantly improve the talent level at starting cornerback.

BTW I never said CBs are more important but that it´s extremely tough for pass rushers to put any pressure on the quarterback if a team´s secondary isn´t capable to cover receiver for at least 2.5 seconds.

 

[Dantés]

Chicken and egg when it comes to pass rush and coverage. I tend to value the rush over the coverage, but they're symbiotic to be sure. Both need to be addressed heavily in the offseason. Seems to me that the best approach would be a veteran corner and a high end pick at pass rusher, but that's really going to be determined by who is available.

 

[sdh09e44]

It's a two way street, great corners can overcompensate for an average pass rush and a great pass rush can do the same for average corners.

For this team, it's weakness is definitely more in the secondary. I would have confidence in the pass rush next season if the CBs can do their job a little better and not get completely burnt off the line or get brutally turned around (randall does this). Give Perry and Clay a little more time to get home and at the very least have QBs rush throws. This would be a key to beating a team with a fairly non mobile QB like Matt Ryan.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have a stat on "average time opposing QB's had before throwing a pass or being sacked" and how that compares to the rest of the league? Not sure if one is kept. As far as sacks go, the Packers defense averaged 2.3/game, which was tied (with 2 other teams) for 12th most in the NFL.

Again, like others have posted, its a bit of the chicken or the egg thing when it comes to evaluating whether a defense is not getting enough pressure on a QB, thus over exposing their secondary or if its just a matter of the opposing offense not needing much time to take advantage of a weak secondary.

We saw time and again how the Packer OL as well as AR's ability to scramble, was the key in Rodgers being able to keep plays alive and eventually have a receiver come open, even against some decent secondaries.

 

[brandon2348]

I'm actually doing a Fanspeak draft right now.

Jourdan Lewis Adoree Jackson Cordrea Tankersley Desmond King are the top 4 CBs left.

Mckinley and Taco Charlton are also there and would make sense if a CB is signed. Anderson is there too but the rankings have him as the 57th ranked prospect. I wonder if he would be there in the 2nd, that would be huge. TJ Watt as well, he is the 49th ranked prospect. TT could do some moving up in the 2nd again if he wants Anderson or Watt.
Some DTs are options too. As Brandon said, we could use a DT that can get to the QB better than Clark or Guion can. But then at the same time we have better depth there than we do at OLB. Those two, Lowry and Daniels, Pennel?, or a replacement for Pennel makes us way more set there than we are at OLB.

Obviously fanspeak is completely a crap shoot, but it's interesting how many guys are hanging around. And as always, Free Agency moves make the draft so much easier.

Either way, Randall or Rollins are still going to be a huge part of the CB core going forward. One of them needs to have a rebound year. Gunter too of course, who probably will be fine in the slot/dime nickel situations. Never in a million years would that guy be able to cover Dez or Julio, he wasn't ever supposed to be expected to do that. Throw him on some 3rd or 4th WRs and he will be fine. I think Rollins is better off for that role too. Then I think Randall is the most promising outside guy out of these 3. I wouldn't feel great with him being the #2 though, but maybe it could work. Well see

I like a lot of guys in this draft but if Taco Charlton is sitting there when the Packers pick I think they gotta take him. Too much length and talent to pass up. He can get physical too. He can be a "game chenger" in the NFL. I would be surprised if he is available when the real one takes place but wouldnt complain if he was.

 

[brandon2348]

I love Willis as a prospect and he seems like a Packer pick. He's flying a little under the radar and a lot of casual fans might be upset with the pick, but I'd be psyched. I'm trying to figure out why Adams grades so high, but players like Watkins are ranked ahead of him. He seems like the best player on that side of the ball for Auburn and the numbers back that up. I bet we'll see a big rise in his projection in the coming weeks.

Devon Godchaux is an intriguing prospect too.

 

[sdh09e44]

I like a lot of guys in this draft but if Taco Charlton is sitting there when the Packers pick I think they gotta take him. Too much length and talent to pass up. He can get physical too. He can be a "game chenger" in the NFL. I would be surprised if he is available when the real one takes place but wouldnt complain if he was.

yea i don't think he is gonna be there at 29. The guys we have talked about are probably the most likely pass rushers that will be available, watt anderson red**** or someone mentioned the guy Willis from Kansas State. Nice prospect who would probably be around in the 3rd.

 

[sdh09e44]

Devon Godchaux is an intriguing prospect too.

I recently watched his game film from the Badgers game @ lambeau. Did not look like he did a good job of getting to the Qb and into the backfield, which like we have talked about, is what we need at DT.

That's all I saw of him but highlight tapes usually wow you, idk