2017 Draft/FA Needs - Ranked

[sdh09e44]

I remember saying about 1000 times that Datone was too small to be a DE in our scheme... We didn't use him to his strengths the first 3 years IMO. Last year he was a rookie at OLB. I think if we used him like Aldon Smith was used. At OLB with 3 dominant Dlinemen in front. Coming in fresh on passing downs...He would have got the pressure early on.

I know we differ on what a defensive lineman is supposed to be. I value the Dline as a foundation. You and our DC Capers seem to prefer speed, and believe the rush comes from OLBs and a strong secondary being able to neutralize a strong pass attack... Datone was a 6'4" 285 pound Dlineman that played all over the line in school, producing anywhere he was put. Seems like you got exactly what you wanted, and it didn't work... Speedy under sized DE. A NT that's 320 instead of 360. bunch of good OLBs who are basicly under sized DEs in a 4-3 (except Peppers)..... Daniels has been our savior! And Guion too. Daniels 6' 310, and Guion 6'4" 322 happen to be the only two guys that would make the cut if I was building a Dline... Remember me saying 300-320 DEs, and a dominant 350#NT that forces the double team, and still wins. Have 3 Dlinemen out there at all times. And have 3 similar types to rotate to keep them fresh...

Its like this. With Daniels, and Guion at DE. Clark and similar rotating. Although it should be noted that Clark is a project player, and wont be what Im looking for until he gets up to speed... But Then throw a center piece NT in there like say Poe from KC. Or even old man Wilfork, as a temp bandaid. And we need another monster rookie or something to rotate him out a lot to keep him fresh.......... We do this, and actually play 3 Dlinemen of this caliber, the OLBs will be running free. With 2 great OLBs, between the 5 of them, one will break through nearly every play. You cant block that many great big men with 5 Olinemen and a RB , consistently...

Even with one less man in the secondary. Our guys can do their job, IF there is a good pass rush... Most young QBs crumble under the pressure , and the veterans who cant run like Arod, will crumble under our destructive Dline.

Ted needs to get some good big guys, and Capers needs to use them. And this 3-4 could be dominant.

Also building on the Revis or DRC theories, if we added one of those CBs, then an expensive guy like Poe, then draft another CB in the 2nd round and a Pass Rusher in the 1st.

That is something I would be interested in

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Also building on the Revis or DRC theories, if we added one of those CBs, then an expensive guy like Poe, then draft another CB in the 2nd round and a Pass Rusher in the 1st.

That is something I would be interested in

We need to lock in this too.

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But if Poe is actually available? I would be giddy if GB bought us a center piece like that. I wouldn't care if we have to tape together a CB fix. Honestly Im still hopeful that Randall ,Rollins, Gunter will all come back year 3 , healthy, and ready to do the job. But after the last loss, I felt that something drastic was in order..... Like bringing in POE!!!!!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If you can generate a pass rush then you can get away with these corners and a reasonable fa or day 2 pick to join them. The pass rush is horrible. Revis island would get exposed by this rush.

The Packers cornersbacks weren't able to stay close to receivers for two seconds after the snap. There's no way to consistently put pressure on a quarterback with that happening in the secondary.

Speaking of Revis Island, I am curious to see what is going to happen with his situation in NY. No way are they going to keep him at that salary and I saw an article that he might be cut.

At a fair price, he would be an instant upgrade to everyone we have, even though he had a rough year.

Revis significantly regressed last season and it seems that age is catching up to him fast. Therefore I would like the Packers to sign a different cornerback.

Also building on the Revis or DRC theories, if we added one of those CBs, then an expensive guy like Poe, then draft another CB in the 2nd round and a Pass Rusher in the 1st.

That is something I would be interested in

Dontari Poe is overrated and will ask for way too much money for it to make sense for the Packers to consider signing him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As much as people like to talk offense and the changes a team can make to improve it during the off season, if I am running the Green Bay Packers, I am putting most of my attention on the Defense. Obviously, you keep an eye to the future with the offense, resign Cook, secure the RB position and OL, but it is one aspect of the Packers that was pretty solid over the last half of the season. The defense is where I see the focus of the draft once again being on and hopefully some trades/FA's as well.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

As much as people like to talk offense and the changes a team can make to improve it during the off season, if I am running the Green Bay Packers, I am putting most of my attention on the Defense. Obviously, you keep an eye to the future with the offense, resign Cook, secure the RB position and OL, but it is one aspect of the Packers that was pretty solid over the last half of the season. The defense is where I see the focus of the draft once again being on and hopefully some trades/FA's as well.

Yeah defense needs to be the focus but at this point I'm hoping TT avoids going defense in the first round simply because his history of first round defensive picks is, to put it kindly, bad. HaHa and Matthews are basically the only defensive first round picks that have been worth it. Raji, for one season, looked worth it but then was awful (and if anyone disagrees, then kindly explain how someone worth a first round pick is willing to settle for a bad one-year contract). Actually, when you get down to it, the first round hasn't been too kind to TT overall, with only Rodgers, Matthews, HaHa and Bulaga proving worthy of first round consideration (ignoring Clark in this since he's only played one year).

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Yeah defense needs to be the focus but at this point I'm hoping TT avoids going defense in the first round simply because his history of first round defensive picks is, to put it kindly, bad. HaHa and Matthews are basically the only defensive first round picks that have been worth it. Raji, for one season, looked worth it but then was awful (and if anyone disagrees, then kindly explain how someone worth a first round pick is willing to settle for a bad one-year contract). Actually, when you get down to it, the first round hasn't been too kind to TT overall, with only Rodgers, Matthews, HaHa and Bulaga proving worthy of first round consideration (ignoring Clark in this since he's only played one year).

While it´s true that Thompson hasn´t had a lot of success drafting defense players in the first round it´s still the best chance of upgrading that side of the ball aside of free agency.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah defense needs to be the focus but at this point I'm hoping TT avoids going defense in the first round simply because his history of first round defensive picks is, to put it kindly, bad. HaHa and Matthews are basically the only defensive first round picks that have been worth it. Raji, for one season, looked worth it but then was awful (and if anyone disagrees, then kindly explain how someone worth a first round pick is willing to settle for a bad one-year contract). Actually, when you get down to it, the first round hasn't been too kind to TT overall, with only Rodgers, Matthews, HaHa and Bulaga proving worthy of first round consideration (ignoring Clark in this since he's only played one year).

I'm on board with you, especially picking #29. Given the Packers immediate needs on defense though, I would be more than fine with TT trading that pick away for a team in rebuild mode that has a solid CB to part with. Although, I would prefer trying to obtain a solid CB in the FA market first.

Not sure what the odds are, but my guess is not very high, that a #29 pick is going to have a substantial impact in his rookie season. The Packers are "this" close, to making a SB, time to act like it.

 

[Packer Brother]

What about Jeffrey as a freel agent WR signing?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What about Jeffrey as a freel agent WR signing?

No thanks....need to spend THAT money on the defense and not a WR, especially one like Jeffrey.

 

[sdh09e44]

We need to lock in this too.

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But if Poe is actually available? I would be giddy if GB bought us a center piece like that. I wouldn't care if we have to tape together a CB fix. Honestly Im still hopeful that Randall ,Rollins, Gunter will all come back year 3 , healthy, and ready to do the job. But after the last loss, I felt that something drastic was in order..... Like bringing in POE!!!!!!!!!

KC is strapped for cap space so who knows. Poe is projected big money on spotrac so if those numbers are correct, I don't think we would sign him. I would be more interested in Calais Campbell to throw in next to big Mike.

Someone said it on this thread somewhere, we need to overcompenstate at the CB position. Sign a guy and draft a guy early with the expectation that they will be upgrades. Then if Randall Rollins or Gunter or all 3 come back strong, then that makes us set even more.

 

[sdh09e44]

and yea, I think they will bring Lacy back. But will also draft a guy in the mid rounds cause it's probably the most stacked RB draft in a decade maybe more

 

[sdh09e44]

The Packers cornersbacks weren't able to stay close to receivers for two seconds after the snap. There's no way to consistently put pressure on a quarterback with that happening in the secondary.



Revis significantly regressed last season and it seems that age is catching up to him fast. Therefore I would like the Packers to sign a different cornerback.



Dontari Poe is overrated and will ask for way too much money for it to make sense for the Packers to consider signing him.

People were low on Woodson and Peppers before they signed here too so who knows. All I know is Revis would still be an upgrade. Keep in mind that the emphasis is on fair price, and contingent on signing another defensive piece elsewhere.

 

[Packer Brother]

Trumane Johnson, Leon Hall, Logan Ryan are options.

 

[sdh09e44]

I think Johnson would be the only worthy one, just cause he has the #1 CB potential.

 

[Arthur Squires]

3 corners who would help our secondary, Kazee, Awuzie, Desmond King. All 3 have the talent to succeed. Abother Corner I like but needs some work is Cam Sutton. We need to draft 1 of these guys since I doubt we address the position in FA

 

[Arthur Squires]

The other position we need solidified is RB. If we don't grab McCaffrey there are 2 other Backs that will be studs. Kareem Hunt will be a 3rd round pick would be great upgrade. If those 2 are gone we need to grab Elijah Hood.

 

[sdh09e44]

Whatever CB we draft, the guy NEEDS to be established as an outside corner. If there is even a little bit of uncertainty about if he can play there, have to pass on em.

 

[sdh09e44]

The other position we need solidified is RB. If we don't grab McCaffrey there are 2 other Backs that will be studs. Kareem Hunt will be a 3rd round pick would be great upgrade. If those 2 are gone we need to grab Elijah Hood.

Can get either of those guys pretty late too, day 3. Hood might not even be drafted, good player though.

I am actually getting more and more interested in McCaffrey. He's a damn good player and would instantly contribute. In a perfect world, we sign two Defensive Free agents, draft a CB or Pass Rusher in the first round depending on who we just signed, then McCaffrey is around in the 2nd round and TT trades up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Whatever CB we draft, the guy NEEDS to be established as an outside corner. If there is even a little bit of uncertainty about if he can play there, have to pass on em.

Good luck with that with pick # 29, at least for 2017. Sorry, I just don't see the Packers instantly improving their secondary through the draft.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

KC is strapped for cap space so who knows. Poe is projected big money on spotrac so if those numbers are correct, I don't think we would sign him. I would be more interested in Calais Campbell to throw in next to big Mike.

I guess Calais Campbell will ask for a lot of money as well. With the defensive line not being one of the Packers most dire needs this offseason I would prefer the team to pass on a high prices free agent there.

People were low on Woodson and Peppers before they signed here too so who knows. All I know is Revis would still be an upgrade. Keep in mind that the emphasis is on fair price, and contingent on signing another defensive piece elsewhere.

Revis will be 32 at the start of next season, more than two years older than Woodson was when he signed with the Packers. In addition not all elite players perform at a high level once on the wrong side of 30.

After watching Revis struggle in 2016 and with talk about moving him to safety for next season I honestly believe age has caught up to him.

Trumane Johnson, Leon Hall, Logan Ryan are options.

I think Johnson would be the only worthy one, just cause he has the #1 CB potential.

A.J. Bouye might be an intriguing option.

Good luck with that with pick # 29, at least for 2017. Sorry, I just don't see the Packers instantly improving their secondary through the draft.

There's absolutely no doubt the Packers should address the #1 cornerback position in free agency. As I've mentioned repeatedly in the past I would be fine with additionally using an early round pick on the position as well and agree Thompson should solely select a CB that has lined up on the perimeter for all of his college career.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

3 corners who would help our secondary, Kazee, Awuzie, Desmond King. All 3 have the talent to succeed. Abother Corner I like but needs some work is Cam Sutton. We need to draft 1 of these guys since I doubt we address the position in FA

I like the first two, but I really want to see King at the combine. His speed worries me and the last thing we need is a slow corner.

 

[Dantés]

I like the first two, but I really want to see King at the combine. His speed worries me and the last thing we need is a slow corner.

That's funny, I was just thinking the same thing. King can play corner in the right system, but it's probably not this one. We need guys who can carry speed down the field. He'd be a heck of a free safety, but that isn't really a need.

 

[sdh09e44]

Good luck with that with pick # 29, at least for 2017. Sorry, I just don't see the Packers instantly improving their secondary through the draft.

I didn't mean an established ready for day 1 player.
I meant a guy who was an established college corner on the outside. A guy who played there for multiple seasons and is used to it.

 

[Dantés]

I don't have time to really dig into these guys like I used to but from what I've read and what I have seen, the corners who profile as good fits with the Pack and stand a decent chance of being there at #29 are Tre'Davious White (LSU) and Gareon Conley (OSU).

 

[sdh09e44]

I guess Calais Campbell will ask for a lot of money as well. With the defensive line not being one of the Packers most dire needs this offseason I would prefer the team to pass on a high prices free agent there.



Revis will be 32 at the start of next season, more than two years older than Woodson was when he signed with the Packers. In addition not all elite players perform at a high level once on the wrong side of 30.

After watching Revis struggle in 2016 and with talk about moving him to safety for next season I honestly believe age has caught up to him.





A.J. Bouye might be an intriguing option.



There's absolutely no doubt the Packers should address the #1 cornerback position in free agency. As I've mentioned repeatedly in the past I would be fine with additionally using an early round pick on the position as well and agree Thompson should solely select a CB that has lined up on the perimeter for all of his college career.

Probably right about Campbell. I mostly agree on the D line thing too. No need to spend huge money there. Plan A in my mind is spend big money on one of the 3 #1 CBs on the market.