Your Draft grades

[Dantés]

I noticed Dupre on one of the "best available lists" at around round 5. So I started researching him and was wondering when the hell he was going to be picked. Could end up being a great pick, I think he already passed Janis and maybe Davis on the depth chart when he woke up this morning and put matching socks on.

I believe that also qualifies him to pass Ted on the GM depth chart... just based on what I've read.

 

[sschind]

I noticed Dupre on one of the "best available lists" at around round 5. So I started researching him and was wondering when the hell he was going to be picked. Could end up being a great pick, I think he already passed Janis and maybe Davis on the depth chart when he woke up this morning and put matching socks on.

You are assuming that he did put on matching socks or that he wears socks at all. Still if he did you are probably right.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

No complaints here. I wasn't big on the Biegel pick when I thought the running game should be addressed, but I certainly got my wish.

I think drafting 3 RBs is a bit much. It tells me they don't really have faith in any of them.

 

[OldSchool101]

B+/B
The word of the 3 days was "crafty"

I would've liked seeing a RB higher up vs the #2 pick of Safety, then I like going back to Defense heavy with a couple more. I think this would've enabled us to grab some LB or OL depth in the later rounds vs so many RBs.
I realize that sometimes your focus guy is taken early though so you play the cards you're dealt in the real world.
I'm not sure we dealt effectively with balancing the loss of Shields and losing Datone doesn't concern me as much as losing Julius' production. Depending on how quickly this class matures? We should be able to get our pass Defense into the middle of the stats group by regular seasons end.. or Capers needs to sharpen his resume.
Another positive thing is we have a nice # of draft picks again next year.

 

[Ted Thompson's Mind]

What a rush this weekend was. Got a bit of a draft hangover. Too much warm apple juice. Let's get to work, team!

 

[HardRightEdge]

Overall: C+ / B-

This grade takes into account the pick value and need. I do not grade on a curve.

#33 - Kevin King: C+

I have serious questions about King with his twitch and flip not up to his athletic measurables. I don't expect much out of him in run defense or tackling in space. There's a lot of "develop" to go with the "draft". He's a risky pick at #33, or as brandon2348 put it, "boom or bust". My initial reaction was "C", but I've bumped it to "C+" in consideration of need and Thompson trading down instead of picking him at #29.

#61 - Josh Jones: B+

Checks a lot of the same boxes as Awuzi, while being more SS and while Awuzi is more slot. All in all, fits the slot/safety swing man profile lost with Hyde's departure while adding more athleticism and speed than Hyde which was a priority. While most view him as an SS and possible linebacker, I see him swinging between slot and safety depending on where Burnett plays. Based on McCarthy's comments, Burnett is the "new age" linebacker for this season anyway, though I would expect that to be situational and not a full-time gig. That role would involve a steep learning curve for a rookie.

Burnett and Clinton-Dix will be free agents after 2017, which is the key reason a safety/slot in the first 3 picks is no surprise. By the way, the deadline to apply the 5th. year option to Clinton-Dix will be this coming Wednesday.

#93 - Montravius Adams: D+

I have concerns about strength, scheme fit, and a history of off-and-on motor which raises serious questions about his value in the 3rd. round.

#108 - Vince Biegel: B-

Decent value at #108. Biegel's a smart, disciplined football player who is rarely out fooled or out of position. I project him as an ILB. I question his size and body control/balance off the edge. If they plug him in on the edge, there's a lot of technique work to be done. I see the physical characteristics of an ILB, where he'll need to learn coverages more sophisticated than just zone drops. After Martinez's disappointing rookie season and Thomas a dime backer at best, Biegel could jump ahead to play some ILB in rotation during run downs or as an inside blitzer.

#134 - Jamal Williams: B+

A very good pick based on value and need. Between-the-tackles, north-south, physical runner to complement the other backs on the roster. Shows instincts and attitude. Finishes runs with authority. Slasher. At the second level he makes hay with good acceleration through the hole and ripping through arm tackles. Good fit for the zone scheme. Might need to develop a bit more patience for the pro game in reading his blocks. Pass blocks with enthusiasm but lousy technique, but enthusiasm is a good starting point. I hear tell he showed decent receiving skills at the Senior Bowl; in college he was used just as a check down back.

In short yardage, a chronic Packer issue, Williams as the I-back with Ripkowski as the up back provides options that defenses will need to be accounted for and, dare I say, Williams is a better fit for the job than Lacy.

#175 - Deangelo Yancy B-

I sense this was not a popular pick in these quarters. For a 5th. rounder, I kinda like him as a project. Size, strength, athletic measurables, tracks the deep ball, long speed that belies his 40 time. He's got a lot of route running work to do. From a measurables standpoint, consider this comparison with another tall strider with long speed:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=129763&draftyear=2017&genpos=WR

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=12364&draftyear=2008&genpos=WR

#183 - Aaron Jones B-

This grade has a heavy dose of draft position discount. Jones is a cut back runner vs. the slasher Williams. Plays smaller than his 208 lbs. College productivity was a function of competition at UTEP. I'm seeing the quickness, but I'm having a hard time seeing it as quick enough for the NFL game. I'm not crazy about Michael; the fact the Packers drafted 3 RBs might mean they are not either, so I suppose he could steal the #3 spot. The most likely scenario is PS.

It's still hard to believe Ajayi went off the board in the 5th. round.

6th. and 7th. rounders - no grade

Developmental / practice squad guys. Mays might push Williams as the north/south power option, but I don't see him as the same caliber of player. Special teams utility is where these guys can make a case for the roster.

 

[Spanky]

I'll grade this draft in 3 years.

 

[ExpatPacker]

Overall: C+ / B-

#33 - Kevin King: C+

I have serious questions about King with his twitch and flip not up to his athletic measurables. I don't expect much out of him in run defense or tackling in space. There's a lot of "develop" to go with the "draft". He's a risky pick at #33, or as brandon2348 put it, "boom or bust". My initial reaction was "C", but I've bumped it to "C+" in consideration of need and Thompson trading down instead of picking him at #29.

I don't see a better alternative at CB for the Packers at #33. From the tape Chidobe Awuzie was not good in run defense and tackling either, and when he got beat he didn't have the burst to recover, a rap against King, but with Awuzie even more so. Tackling was also a rap against Tre'Davious White. King is the best press coverage man among those 3.

 

[ExpatPacker]

I take a more general approach to grading this draft since I don't have the expertise to evaluate players on a case-by-case basis as some here do. So my question whether the Packers promise to be a better team this year than last year. Looking at last year's roster that opened the season, the answer would be 'no', -- Packers had Lang, Lacy, Hyde and Shields and Peppers back then, but that quickly changed when the Packers lost Sam Shields for the season and for ever. That was a huge blow. And Lacy turned out to be fat and injured.

So,

Secondary: Should be better with the addition of Kevin King, Josh Jones and Davon House. how much the 2 rookies are going to be able to contribute I can't say. And FFS I hope that Randall is better this year.

Linebackers: Won't be as good. Biegel is not going to replace Peppers. Granted Peppers wasn't playing a lot of snaps, but he was still a pass-rushing threat. Biegel may eventually be a starter, but probably not next year. He should be better than Fackrell, but that's not saying a whole lot. It's a shame TT didn't go out and get Connor Barwin.

DL: Pennel is gone, Adams and Francois are here. I am hopeful Kenny Clark will continue to improve. Should be better.

OL: Lang is gone, Tretter is gone. Losing those 2 is going to matter. Jahri Evans should take over Lang's spot well enough, but no one is there to replace Tretter in case someone goes down. Won't be as good.

RB: Lacy is gone, enter Jamal Williams, Aaron Jones and Mays. Lacy was fat and injured last year. With Montgomery starting at RB from the get-go, there should be a lot of improvement here.

TE: Bennett and Kendricks. Nuff said. Huge improvement.

WR: Some practice squad guys with Dupre having lots of potential. Don't see any change.

Bottom Line: Packers had to retool the roster. They accomplished this, adding a lot of decent players with potential, but they didn't draft any players who will make a major impact from day 1. If someone does...King, Jones or Adams, or maybe even Biegel or Jamal Williams, that would be a bonus.

Packers needed 1 more high quality veteran FA signing IMO.

Grade: B.

 

[ExpatPacker]

Overall: C+ / B-

This grade takes into account the pick value and need. I do not grade on a curve.


#93 - Montravius Adams: D+

I have concerns about strength, scheme fit, and a history of off-and-on motor which raises serious questions about his value in the 3rd. round.

#108 - Vince Biegel: B-

Decent value at #108. Biegel's a smart, disciplined football player who is rarely out fooled or out of position. I project him as an ILB. I question his size and body control/balance off the edge. If they plug him in on the edge, there's a lot of technique work to be done. I see the physical characteristics of an ILB, where he'll need to learn coverages more sophisticated than just zone drops. After Martinez's disappointing rookie season and Thomas a dime backer at best, Biegel could jump ahead to play some ILB in rotation during run downs or as an inside blitzer.



#175 - Deangelo Yancy B-

I sense this was not a popular pick in these quarters. For a 5th. rounder, I kinda like him as a project. Size, strength, athletic measurables, tracks the deep ball, long speed that belies his 40 time. He's got a lot of route running work to do. From a measurables standpoint, consider this comparison with another tall strider with long speed:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=129763&draftyear=2017&genpos=WR

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=12364&draftyear=2008&genpos=WR

#183 - Aaron Jones B-

This grade has a heavy dose of draft position discount. Jones is a cut back runner vs. the slasher Williams. Plays smaller than his 208 lbs. College productivity was a function of competition at UTEP. I'm seeing the quickness, but I'm having a hard time seeing it as quick enough for the NFL game. I'm not crazy about Michael; the fact the Packers drafted 3 RBs might mean they are not either, so I suppose he could steal the #3 spot. The most likely scenario is PS.

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As always HardRightEdge, your analysis are extremely informed and insightful. I already commented on your King analysis. I'll say a few things about some others.

Adams: D+? You're a hard grader. Strength is a concern I agree, but the on-off motor may not be as serious an issue as is thought...hopefully. I do have visions of Jerel Worthy, but with Adams, his 2016 was far superior to 2015, and the apparent reason was less snaps. Auburn overused him in 2015, having him in there for 74 snaps per game on average, which is why he seemed to "take plays off". That was less true in 2016.

Biegel: Biegel's a hometown fave. I would have preferred Carl Lawson who IMO was the better edge rusher, but Lawson had injury concerns that may have caused the Packers to shy away from him. I would have loved to see the Packers draft Jordan Willis in round 3 but that didn't happen.

DeAngelo Yancey: I'm intrigued by him too. Big receiver, strong, in a ****** Purdue program.

Aaron Jones: Jones ran for 123 yards on 18 carries against Texas. Only 1 game against a tier 1 opponent, but it shows something.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Overall I think it was a solid draft but there's no reason to get overly excited about it. I'm curious why a lot of posters seem to like the Jones pick in the second round though. Here's a link to PFF's scouting report on him:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-josh-jones-s-nc-state/

That sounds like selecting him in the second round was a huge reach.

 

[brandon2348]

Overall I think it was a solid draft but there's no reason to get overly excited about it. I'm curious why a lot of posters seem to like the Jones pick in the second round though. Here's a link to PFF's scouting report on him:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-josh-jones-s-nc-state/

That sounds like selecting him in the second round was a huge reach.

The guy had off the chart combine numbers and had really good production so I don't think it was a reach. A lot of these these worriesome things on PFF can be coached up. I would rather have a guy too aggressive then not aggressive enough. Some people had him as a first round talent so not sure it was a reach. I can understand not wanting to go this direction in second though.

Bottom Line. If Jones can come in and keep up with slot receivers which Hyde couldn't do it will turn out to be a great pick. If he ends up being a cross between Nick Collins and Kam Chancellor it will be a grand slam. We needed more speed in the middle of the field and we got it so I like the pick.

 

[RepStar15]

Too soon to grade based on watching college highlights...I can say that this draft defensively, looks better than it ever has. I really loved the Kevin King and Josh Jones picks. I think Kevin King has week 2 starting potential. I think the mix of Haha, Josh Jones, Morgan Burnette and Kendrall Brice could make for a dangerous deep secondary. Biegle is a typical Packers linebacker. I do not expect an immediate impact, but I think he could come in crucial down the stretch. I think the dline added some much needed depth in Montravious Adams. Cannot see him being a real impact player, but do not forget we also added Rickey Jean Francious this year. All I wanted from the off season was to upgrade the defense. I think that may have occurred.

Still scratching my head on 3 RB's though...

 

[brandon2348]

Overall: C+ / B-

This grade takes into account the pick value and need. I do not grade on a curve.

#33 - Kevin King: C+

I have serious questions about King with his twitch and flip not up to his athletic measurables. I don't expect much out of him in run defense or tackling in space. There's a lot of "develop" to go with the "draft". He's a risky pick at #33, or as brandon2348 put it, "boom or bust". My initial reaction was "C", but I've bumped it to "C+" in consideration of need and Thompson trading down instead of picking him at #29.

And I ask myself why did the Seahawks pass on this guy not once but twice to end up with Malik McDowell when King was literally in there own back yard? Cornerback was such a bigger need for them.

Plus, the Seahawks need a corner badly as Shead is coming off major knee injury and there isn't much behind him. Richard Sherman isn't getting any younger and King appears to be a more athletic version of him. He fits the Seahawks scheme perfectly.

Bottom Line. I see this guy with the potential to be a top level boundary corner. His size and length along with leaping ability will force very very small passing windows in his area. My issue is did we need to spend basically a 1st round pick on a boundary corner.

 

[brandon2348]

Overall: C+ / B-

This grade takes into account the pick value and need. I do not grade on a curve.

#33 - Kevin King: C+

I have serious questions about King with his twitch and flip not up to his athletic measurables. I don't expect much out of him in run defense or tackling in space. There's a lot of "develop" to go with the "draft". He's a risky pick at #33, or as brandon2348 put it, "boom or bust". My initial reaction was "C", but I've bumped it to "C+" in consideration of need and Thompson trading down instead of picking him at #29.

#61 - Josh Jones: B+

Checks a lot of the same boxes as Awuzi, while being more SS and while Awuzi is more slot. All in all, fits the slot/safety swing man profile lost with Hyde's departure while adding more athleticism and speed than Hyde which was a priority. While most view him as an SS and possible linebacker, I see him swinging between slot and safety depending on where Burnett plays. Based on McCarthy's comments, Burnett is the "new age" linebacker for this season anyway, though I would expect that to be situational and not a full-time gig. That role would involve a steep learning curve for a rookie.

Burnett and Clinton-Dix will be free agents after 2017, which is the key reason a safety/slot in the first 3 picks is no surprise. By the way, the deadline to apply the 5th. year option to Clinton-Dix will be this coming Wednesday.

#93 - Montravius Adams: D+

I have concerns about strength, scheme fit, and a history of off-and-on motor which raises serious questions about his value in the 3rd. round.

#108 - Vince Biegel: B-

Decent value at #108. Biegel's a smart, disciplined football player who is rarely out fooled or out of position. I project him as an ILB. I question his size and body control/balance off the edge. If they plug him in on the edge, there's a lot of technique work to be done. I see the physical characteristics of an ILB, where he'll need to learn coverages more sophisticated than just zone drops. After Martinez's disappointing rookie season and Thomas a dime backer at best, Biegel could jump ahead to play some ILB in rotation during run downs or as an inside blitzer.

#134 - Jamal Williams: B+

A very good pick based on value and need. Between-the-tackles, north-south, physical runner to complement the other backs on the roster. Shows instincts and attitude. Finishes runs with authority. Slasher. At the second level he makes hay with good acceleration through the hole and ripping through arm tackles. Good fit for the zone scheme. Might need to develop a bit more patience for the pro game in reading his blocks. Pass blocks with enthusiasm but lousy technique, but enthusiasm is a good starting point. I hear tell he showed decent receiving skills at the Senior Bowl; in college he was used just as a check down back.

In short yardage, a chronic Packer issue, Williams as the I-back with Ripkowski as the up back provides options that defenses will need to be accounted for and, dare I say, Williams is a better fit for the job than Lacy.

#175 - Deangelo Yancy B-

I sense this was not a popular pick in these quarters. For a 5th. rounder, I kinda like him as a project. Size, strength, athletic measurables, tracks the deep ball, long speed that belies his 40 time. He's got a lot of route running work to do. From a measurables standpoint, consider this comparison with another tall strider with long speed:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=129763&draftyear=2017&genpos=WR

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=12364&draftyear=2008&genpos=WR

#183 - Aaron Jones B-

This grade has a heavy dose of draft position discount. Jones is a cut back runner vs. the slasher Williams. Plays smaller than his 208 lbs. College productivity was a function of competition at UTEP. I'm seeing the quickness, but I'm having a hard time seeing it as quick enough for the NFL game. I'm not crazy about Michael; the fact the Packers drafted 3 RBs might mean they are not either, so I suppose he could steal the #3 spot. The most likely scenario is PS.

It's still hard to believe Ajayi went off the board in the 5th. round.

6th. and 7th. rounders - no grade

Developmental / practice squad guys. Mays might push Williams as the north/south power option, but I don't see him as the same caliber of player. Special teams utility is where these guys can make a case for the roster.

I agree with all of this except I would give Adams a higher grade. I believe with some development he could add some pass rush in nickel and dime situations.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I agree with all of this except I would give Adams a higher grade. I believe with some development he could add some pass rush in nickel and dime situations.

My grade is weighted toward the 3rd. round draft position and scheme fit. If it were 5th. round in a gap attack defense I'd probably give him a B-. Even in nickel and dime gap rushes, Capers demands pocket contain discipline where the DTs have to win on strength and technique.

 

[PackFan2]

Overall: B+

Kevin King, CB, Washington: A

• Fast, athletic, tall and rangy. Hope CB coach (Joe Whitt) helps the kid put it all together. Can play man coverage. Will need to add in muscle weight to help in press coverage.

Josh Jones, S, N.C. State: A

• BIG Strong Saftey. Fast, rangy, strong. I wouldn't be surprised if the packers moved him to middle linebacker or he played some linebacker in the nickle. I know the packers wanted Ryan Shazier in 2014 draft.

Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn: B+

• Saw Adams on tape (Clemson and Georgia) take on multiple blockers and still get into the back field. Fast like Dontari Poe BOLD pick: I think he's better than Kenny Clark...

Vince Biegel, LB, Wisconsin: B

• Plays with great intensity but recklessness gets him injured. A breakout player his earlier years in college.

Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU: B+

• Strong build, strong runner. Not too slow. Strong hands, willing to block. Needs to be patient with blockers, will sometimes run into them and pick wrong holes to run to.

DeAngelo Yancey, WR, Purdue: D

• Not fast not slow. I really dont understand this pick. I thought there were better players on board. But I guess during Yancey's visit with Packers, might have impressed them.

Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP: D+

• Again, I dont understand this pick. Jones is a decent running back. Doesn't WOW me with his speed with other smaller running backs but agility shows up on measurements. Will contribute on special teams.

Kofi Amichia, T, USF: C+

• Athletic O-linemen. Played C,T and G. Developmental player, needs to add strength and good bulk. Has said hes gained good weight (now 300lbs+) in interview with packers.

Devante Mays, RB, Utah State: D+

• Is said to run low 4.5 (pro day) but never saw it on tape. Does have power to run over dudes. Too slow to contribute on special teams. Reoccurring leg injury.

Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU: A

• Like others pointed out, this guy fell out position. Most had him in rounds 4-6. Scouts say he is choppy in his short routes but excells in the longer routes. LSU seems to be a college that has been churning out decent.. .. WRs in the NFL. Production suffered from horrible QB situation at LSU.

 

[HardRightEdge]

The guy had off the chart combine numbers and had really good production so I don't think it was a reach. A lot of these these worriesome things on PFF can be coached up. I would rather have a guy too aggressive then not aggressive enough. Some people had him as a first round talent so not sure it was a reach. I can understand not wanting to go this direction in second though.

Bottom Line. If Jones can come in and keep up with slot receivers which Hyde couldn't do it will turn out to be a great pick. If he ends up being a cross between Nick Collins and Kam Chancellor it will be a grand slam. We needed more speed in the middle of the field and we got it so I like the pick.

I'm not very concerned about the missed tackles. What I saw was a guy who comes up like a bullet, targets high and doesn't wrap up. He likes knocking guys down. I didn't see any whiffs, but considering the style I would not be surprised if there are a few of those in the tape. However, aggression and physicality is a good starting point that can be fine tuned as opposed to a starting point of an ankle biting tendency, something we saw with Clinton-Dix as a rookie.

I get the bit about spying the O-backfield and being late to the route break or getting turned around or biting on play action. I see some of that.

It's often stated as "spying the QB" which in not always the case. It could be in zone looking for the route jump or with a run-happy QB. It's a more acute issue in college ball with all the read option adjustments to the QB.

The issue is more subtle for a safety coming up to play man D where his partner is in single high, which is something Capers does a fair amount of the time in blitz packages. Both college and pro ball are so pass happy now, the majority of downs are run-pass tweeners . It's a tough spot, as it is with the coverage ILB, where the player is expected to cover if it's a pass, but also expected to defend the run if the offense goes that way, while also not getting fooled in play action while being aware of the QB running. This goes a long way toward explaining why McCarthy wants to play Burnett at coverage ILB, probably the smartest guy on the field, presumably for specific situations or match-ups.

The long and short of it, as a rookie with work to do on play recognition, compounded by adjusting to pro style offenses, Jones would be better suited to either nickel with 2-high safety where run defense adjustment responsibility is less acute or as an SS in 2-high safety where it's about read and close and less about being short-route twitchy while also being attuned to the run.

Some scouting talks about Jones as a "new age" ILB possibility. I'm not seeing that in this defense, at least initially where the learning curve is pretty steep.

In the final analysis, top drawer speed and natural aggression gives you a lot to work with and places to put it where the rough spots to be polished are less exposed.

 

[PackFan2]

Some scouting talks about Adams as possibly a new age ILB.

C'mon now.. You cant expect Montravious Adams to play ILB.. I know the dudes fast.. but... IDK maybe new age linebackers.. are 6'4" 300LBs 4.8speed. hehe. I digress.

 

[brandon2348]

I'm not very concerned about the missed tackles. What I saw was a guy who comes up like a bullet, targets high and doesn't wrap up. He likes knocking guys down. I didn't see any whiffs, but considering the style I would not be surprised if there are a few of those in the tape. However, aggression and physicality is a good starting point that can be fine tuned as opposed to a starting point of an ankle biting tendency, something we saw with Clinton-Dix as a rookie.

I get the bit about spying the O-backfield and being late to the route break or getting turned around. I see some of that.

It's often stated as "spying the QB" which in not always the case. It could be in zone looking for the route jump or with a run-happy QB. It's a more acute issue in college ball with all the read option adjustments to the QB.

The issue is more subtle for a safety coming up to play man D where his partner is in single high, which is something Capers does a fair amount of the time in blitz packages. Both college and pro ball are so pass happy now, the majority of downs are run-pass tweeners . It's a tough spot, as it is with the coverage ILB, where the player is expected to cover if it's a pass, but also expected to defend the run if the offense goes that way, while also not getting fooled in play action while a being aware of the QB running. This goes a long way toward explaining why McCarthy wants to play Burnett at coverage ILB, presumably situationally and for specific match-ups.

The long and short, as a rookie with work to do on play recognition, compounded by adjusting to pro style offenses, Jones would be better suited to either nickel with 2-high safety where run defense adjustment responsibility is less acute or as an SS in 2-high safety where it's about read and close and less about being short-route twitchy while also being attuned to the run.

Some scouting talks about Adams as possibly a new age ILB. I'm not seeing that in this defense, at least initially where the learning curve is pretty steep.

In the final analysis, top drawer speed and natural aggression gives you a lot to work with.

I'm not sold on all this ILB talk either and as you posted at least not right now. Maybe he segways there at some point as he becomes more developed. It will be interesting to see how the Packers use him.

We haven't had a guy this athletic and explosive in the middle of the field since Nick Collins. Now if he gets to a Nick Collins type level and how long it might take remains to be seen but hard to not to get excited about the possibilitis here. I will say I don't see Jones as raw as Collins was when Collins came into the league either.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I'm not sold on all this ILB talk either and as you posted at least not right now. Maybe he segways there at some point as he becomes more developed. It will be interesting to see how the Packers use him.

We haven't had a guy this athletic and explosive in the middle of the field since Nick Collins. Now if he gets to a Nick Collins type level and how long it might take remains to be seen but hard to not to get excited about the possibilitis here. I will say I don't see Jones as raw as Collins was when Collins came into the league either.

What we don't see in the Jones tape is him playing centerfield. In thinking about Collins, I'd like to see them try Jones out in that position in preseason and see how it works. There are a number of possibilities to be explored for package fits and that's exactly why they picked him.

 

[HardRightEdge]

C'mon now.. You cant expect Montravious Adams to play ILB.. I know the dudes fast.. but... IDK maybe new age linebackers.. are 6'4" 300LBs 4.8speed. hehe. I digress.

That was a slip...Jones, not Adams, as was obvious in context. When you type this many words this fast, somethings going to go wrong somewhere.

Of course in the back of my mind I've thought of Adams in a possible nexus with Neal and Jones. Drop 25 lbs. and he plays some OLB.

 

[Mondio]

Jones intrigues me as a guy that can cover a lot of ground and not be a liability in the more physical part of being a safety. That is something we're missing back there. Ha Ha is solid, but he's not fast enough in either diagnosing a play or getting to it. Or maybe that was just byproduct of the mess we had going on back there last year? Either way I expect Burnett to be playing a lot closer to the line much of the year.

 

[HardRightEdge]

And I ask myself why did the Seahawks pass on this guy not once but twice to end up with Malik McDowell when King was literally in there own back yard? Cornerback was such a bigger need for them.

Plus, the Seahawks need a corner badly as Shead is coming off major knee injury and there isn't much behind him. Richard Sherman isn't getting any younger and King appears to be a more athletic version of him. He fits the Seahawks scheme perfectly.

Bottom Line. I see this guy with the potential to be a top level boundary corner. His size and length along with leaping ability will force very very small passing windows in his area. My issue is did we need to spend basically a 1st round pick on a boundary corner.

Seattle passing on King is curious. While I don't go along with some folks' King / Sherman comparison, it would seem to be a good fit on paper while filling a need.

One of the raps on King is short route quickness and defending inside routes. But that's less of an issue in Seattle than nearly anywhere else...you've got probably the best group of inside route enforcers in league to help out: Wagner, Cameron, Thomas.

 

[brandon2348]

Seattle passing on King is curious. While I don't go along with some folks' King / Sherman comparison, it would seem to be a good fit on paper while filling a need.

One of the raps on King is short route quickness and defending inside routes. But that's less of an issue in Seattle than nearly anywhere else...you've got probably the best group of inside route enforcers in league to help out: Wagner, Cameron, Thomas.

There both 6'3. King is bigger at 200 and faster with better hop's. Sherman suffers from the same short quickness problem as he has problems at times with smaller and quicker receivers. Like you posted this pick looks "good on paper" if not great.

This is really gonna be something to watch play out. At least we might finally have someone to throw at Julio Jones and Dez Bryant that can physically match up.