What To Make Of Our WR No-Shows

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IF AR is "poisoning" the locker room and the WR's are hitching-their-wagons to AR in a show of solidarity rather than to the Packers organization I think Gute needs to consider the less-desirable options.

It appears Adams & Funchess are willing to give-up their workout bonuses ($500K & $50K respectively). 4 WR's are on their last year of a contract: Adams, MVS, St. Brown, & Funchess. In addition Lazard is an RFA & 3 more are ERFA's: Begelton, Taylor & Winfree. It appears Adams, MVS, Lazard & Funchess think that they're safe? IF they don't want to play in GB, for the organization, then I absolutely believe getting something for them before they leave in FA should be considered.

IMHO it appears that AR & WR's aren't leaving the GB front office many options and that "blowing up" the roster is more probable whether we as fans prefer it or not. AR's & Adam's value has never been higher, MVS & Lazard need to play well for their next contract, and St. Brown, Begelton & Funchess has never been anything so a drastic overhaul may be coming.
I’ve come to terms with Rodgers leaving. Is it how I wanted it to play out? No. Do I want him here. YES!! But only if he gets his head straight.
That said, we nearly all agree that we’ll take a significant step backwards in year 1 post Rodgers. Why not have a farm sale. Get beaucoup draft capital and send a message that our FO will not be intimidated by Kaepernick or type behavior.

I’m having a team meeting.


Guys this isn’t anything personal but you’re here to play football, not run for Congress or make the front of People magazine. I don’t want to know your political affiliation and I certainly don’t want to offend anyone with our policy or procedure. If you’ve got a problem? Quit. Put your cleats up here on the desk and there’s the door.
“We love you guys and have enjoyed working with you. You’re each our family. But if you’re personal desires have now risen above what’s best for our team and our family? Then you need to go find another team where players run the show. I can assure you .. do not apply for the US Military.. you will be highly discouraged if you think they will allow you to run the show. Like us, They are interest in 1 thing and 1 thing only. Winning”
We are going to win and if you can put your selfish desires behind you in favor of a team philoso
phy? We’d love to have you.. and when we reach the top? (And we will reach the top) you don’t even need to tell us we were right. Because YOU were part of our success. Your buy in is integral in our winning culture and we will owe YOU a great thanks”

Meeting Adjourned. The tubs for your equipment and door to our left are for the quitters.

The door to the right to the practice field is for the Winners. We’ve had a winning culture since the 1920’s and we’re not going to stop 100 years later, even if the entire team quits. We’ll rebuild without you”


 
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This sounds SO Lombardi-ish ~ I LOVE it!!
I take that as a huge compliment so thank you!
I think we’re missing that in today’s game. I know it’s not popular and I know I’m/we’re likely in a minority. But Lombardi stood on principal.

Someone in this organization needs to stand up and talk and put this behind us. They can hire me if they want! I’d be more than happy I’d pay my own plane ticket to right this ship. I’m a fan of 50 years and tired of this ridiculousness. This is our Alamo! With God and God alone.. We can use this to propel us.
Not to be mean-spirited. But to be loving and kind like a velvet hammer. We need to start playing and looking out for others’ interests, not just ourselves.

Lombardi was a velvet hammer and I loved that about him
 
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I am leaning towards we must get rid of Rodgers as his cancerous attitude may be spreading or at least bigger drain on team chemistry than most realized.



100% agreement here........

For the love of God, let's move on with our preseason, and let this guy on his knees by the
fence at the practice field begging us to let him in.
 

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100% agreement here........

For the love of God, let's move on with our preseason, and let this guy on his knees by the
fence at the practice field begging us to let him in.

Rodgers would rather retire than beg or ever admit any error on his part. He is far too "confident" aka arrogant to do that.
 

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It is called "silent solidarity" and is meant to make people think. They aren't trying to make themselves individually the focus of attention. They very well could be attempting to send a silent message to the FO that they support their QB. Adams is only risking $500K, Funchess $50K and him as well as the other 3, a potential job IMO. I doubt the Packers would cut any of them not named Adams for not attending, but it might play into the final roster cuts when the time comes.

The more I have thought about Davante, the more I think he really wouldn't mind being traded, especially if his QB is gone. He knows if he is traded, it will be under the terms of his new team giving him a new contract. Such contract will not only probably be top 3 WR money, but will include all sorts of guarantees, which he currently doesn't have. I love Davante as a Packer, but I can see how him forcing a trade could work out much better for him, than potentially getting injured in a contract season with Bortles or Love as his QB.
Well you have a bunch of the theories all by yourself.
 

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You are such a
I’ve come to terms with Rodgers leaving. Is it how I wanted it to play out? No. Do I want him here. YES!! But only if he gets his head straight.
That said, we nearly all agree that we’ll take a significant step backwards in year 1 post Rodgers. Why not have a farm sale. Get beaucoup draft capital and send a message that our FO will not be intimidated by Kaepernick or type behavior.

I’m having a team meeting.


Guys this isn’t anything personal but you’re here to play football, not run for Congress or make the front of People magazine. I don’t want to know your political affiliation and I certainly don’t want to offend anyone with our policy or procedure. If you’ve got a problem? Quit. Put your cleats up here on the desk and there’s the door.
“We love you guys and have enjoyed working with you. You’re each our family. But if you’re personal desires have now risen above what’s best for our team and our family? Then you need to go find another team where players run the show. I can assure you .. do not apply for the US Military.. you will be highly discouraged if you think they will allow you to run the show. Like us, They are interest in 1 thing and 1 thing only. Winning”
We are going to win and if you can put your selfish desires behind you in favor of a team philoso
phy? We’d love to have you.. and when we reach the top? (And we will reach the top) you don’t even need to tell us we were right. Because YOU were part of our success. Your buy in is integral in our winning culture and we will owe YOU a great thanks”

Meeting Adjourned. The tubs for your equipment and door to our left are for the quitters.

The door to the right to the practice field is for the Winners. We’ve had a winning culture since the 1920’s and we’re not going to stop 100 years later, even if the entire team quits. We’ll rebuild without you”

You are such a poopie meany head!
 

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The thing about Devante and about all ballplayers is that when they are in the final year of their contract, they are definitely thinking about what happens if they get hurt. Don't know what kind of insurance he could get or how much it would cost him, but he is thinking about a new contract. The regular season is long and not played in short pants. And rarely does a franchise try to "stick it" to the player in his final year. But there is the same consideration for them as far as if he gets hurt. imho
 
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But Lombardi stood on principal......Lombardi was a velvet hammer and I loved that about him
Lombardi's principals included changes in social justice while also embracing law and order. He did want social improvements, but as long as it didn't affect his ability to win championships. You mentioned Kaepernick. I'm not sure what Lombardi would have thought. Lombardi was on the forefront of Rozelle's initiative to have players stand for the national anthem, so he probably would not have liked it. Then again, Lombardi sympathized with the plight of minorities struggling for acceptance and equal footing in America. He was a man at both ends of the wick.

With Rodgers, he certainly would have shipped him out of town like he did Jim Ringo. That was a different era. The last totalitarian coach in the NFL was Tom Coughlin, who compared to the coaches of the 1950s and 60s would have been considered a sissy. Coughlin did win two Super Bowls, but his approach is more of an outlier these days than a roadmap to NFL coaching success. Yes the players need to be managed, but thoughtfully. Yes the players need leadership, but not without empathy. It's a different age of humanity. People what strong leaders, but not those who blindly trample on individual freedoms for an organizational goal. What Nixon and Lombardi didn't understand was that people didn't lack a respect for authority. They lacked respect for the type of authority that was in place.

I believe that the Packers have good leaders both on the team and at least on the coaching staff. I've never really heard enough from the current front office to know if they are good leaders, but I do think that they have continued to steer the Packers in the right direction. It's possible that they are too much like you are advocating for....'This is the way we are doing it and if you don't like it tough.' That obviously didn't work for Rodgers so now leadership either needs to double-down or get with the times. Either way will be messy at this point.
 
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Lombardi's principals included changes in social justice while also embracing law and order. He did want social improvements, but as long as it didn't affect his ability to win championships. You mentioned Kaepernick. I'm not sure what Lombardi would have thought. Lombardi was on the forefront of Rozelle's initiative to have players stand for the national anthem, so he probably would not have liked it. Then again, Lombardi sympathized with the plight of minorities struggling for acceptance and equal footing in America. He was a man at both ends of the wick.

With Rodgers, he certainly would have shipped him out of town like he did Jim Ringo. That was a different era. The last totalitarian coach in the NFL was Tom Coughlin, who compared to the coaches of the 1950s and 60s would have been considered a sissy. Coughlin did win two Super Bowls, but his approach is more of an outlier these days than a roadmap to NFL coaching success. Yes the players need to be managed, but thoughtfully. Yes the players need leadership, but not without empathy. It's a different age of humanity. People what strong leaders, but not those who blindly trample on individual freedoms for an organizational goal. What Nixon and Lombardi didn't understand was that people didn't lack a respect for authority. They lacked respect for the type of authority that was in place.

I believe that the Packers have good leaders both on the team and at least on the coaching staff. I've never really heard enough from the current front office to know if they are good leaders, but I do think that they have continued to steer the Packers in the right direction. It's possible that they are too much like you are advocating for....'This is the way we are doing it and if you don't like it tough.' That obviously didn't work for Rodgers so now leadership either needs to double-down or get with the times. Either way will be messy at this point.
Nice analysis.

It's a different age of humanity. People what strong leaders, but not those who blindly trample on individual freedoms for an organizational goal.
It is that for certain El Guapo. I’m about to state something that isn’t necessarily an argument you made specifically. So don’t take this as a rebuttal.

“Different” does not always equate to better. Do we give up on processes that are meant to better a group on the whole in order to achieve desired success. But in doing so trade that to accommodate some people’s individual feelings of inadequacy?

I’d guess I’d need to know more what you define as “freedom” on this next part.

As a thought. Uniform is a big word in the NFL. Why is that? For obvious reasons. Can you imagine if no one wanted to wear the teams uniform? Why do we suppress our feeling of not liking that uniform (freedom)? Why can’t we just “express our own personal freedom and wear street clothes? I’m being sarcastic to express a point. The point being.. there’s a fine line between expressing our individual freedom and doing the things that are required for a greater cause or purpose. Football isn’t about individual’s feelings or freedoms., its about confirming to a team standard that propels is to a objective or cause. It’s not about suppressing ones “freedom” as if were some dictatorship. It shouldn’t be anyway and I’ve not seen any examples of that with this FO that are any different than the norm.

You’re either a slave to the ideals and direction of a team mentality.., or you’re a slave to your own individual desires and freedoms.. but trust me you’re definitely a slave of something either way.

The difference here is.. Nobody is trampling on Aaron Rodgers individual freedom. He has the ability to walk right out that door without asking permission. That goes for every last player on the team and it should made abundantly clear that this job/profession is 100% voluntary. Every last player is inadvertently asked to willingly participate when they sign a contract and Every contract provides a separation clause. Just because people don’t read contracts doesn’t negate the effect of said contract. We knowingly lose privileges and freedoms every time we sign a contract.

I’d argue one should have a process and a common goal to be a member of a team and the most important part of that involves suppressing your personal freedoms. It’s not supposed to be easy, it’s hard and that’s what makes it rewarding when you finish as winners as a team. Each person/player suffered to get there, setting down their own personal ideals/desires in order lift those around them. The reward is in the discipline that it takes to be part of a team, not in the trophy per say

The MVP thing means absolutely nothing in the big picture. Imagine if one team had 53 MVP awards and missed the Superbowl (the common goal) What an absolute, catastrophic failure that would be for every last team member
 
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I agree with you 100%.

I'm a slave to watching most of my sports teams lose season after season. The reward, somewhere way in the future, is the increased satisfaction for all that I suffered to get there!
 
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I agree with you 100%.

I'm a slave to watching most of my sports teams lose season after season. The reward, somewhere way in the future, is the increased satisfaction for all that I suffered to get there!
That is probably the most eloquent “Packer Fan” truth I’ve read this year. One that every true Packer fan should be a part of. Nicely said

PS. The Milwaukee Bucks also.. are you kidding me!
 
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The truth is that having moved to Minnesota almost 30 years ago, I follow their teams now. I traded in my Brewers cap for a Twins hat. I did the same with the Gophers, the Wild, the Timberwolves.... Minnesota has an culture of losing like few others (I just missed the Twins winning the World Series in 1991 so it doesn't count in my eyes). The Packers are my one salvation. I won't let them go because I need at least one team to keep me hopefully and happy.
 
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The truth is that having moved to Minnesota almost 30 years ago, I follow their teams now. I traded in my Brewers cap for a Twins hat. I did the same with the Gophers, the Wild, the Timberwolves.... Minnesota has an culture of losing like few others (I just missed the Twins winning the World Series in 1991 so it doesn't count in my eyes). The Packers are my one salvation. I won't let them go because I need at least one team to keep me hopefully and happy.
Nice. I lived in Eden Prairie briefly in the 1980’s. My Sister/Brother in Law live in Delano (but are getting ready to retire and make a run for it!) . he gave up on the Vikings many years ago but follows the Twins. As a fan of sports, I’ve always had a little part of me that feels sorry for him.
But now he probably feels sorry for me! With the whole direction of football recently. It’s kinda like our country.. just one thing after other. Can we just be normal for 1 year please dear Lord
 

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The thing about Devante and about all ballplayers is that when they are in the final year of their contract, they are definitely thinking about what happens if they get hurt. Don't know what kind of insurance he could get or how much it would cost him, but he is thinking about a new contract. The regular season is long and not played in short pants. And rarely does a franchise try to "stick it" to the player in his final year. But there is the same consideration for them as far as if he gets hurt. imho

I could slightly buy the rationale for Davante missing OTA's and the $500K because of this being his contract year, but its a bit fishy when 4 other WR's, that will be fighting each other for starting jobs and maybe even a roster spot decide to skip out on them as well.
 

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I could slightly buy the rationale for Davante missing OTA's and the $500K because of this being his contract year, but its a bit fishy when 4 other WR's, that will be fighting each other for starting jobs and maybe even a roster spot decide to skip out on them as well.
Did not mean to imply that Davante misses camp because of contract year. In fact, I made a point of saying that the real season is long and not played in shorts. I was only commenting on the probability of Davante not playing. Which I think is pretty much nil. Cannot imagine what could be going on in his mind if he is losing out on half a million dollars right now. If it is advice he's getting; I would say that is bad advice. If he is trying to make some kind of point; it seems kind of lost if he does not say anything about it. A crazy off season.
 
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I would feel the same about any high priced player in a contract year. If they have no intentions of resigning with the Packers AND it was felt that the team wasn't going to be in contention for a Super Bowl run that season, get everything you can for him now. Waiting until the trade deadline would be an option, but the trade value is going to be a lot less, as will the number of teams willing to trade for him.

Someone commented how crazy it is to want to get rid of Adams. I think it would be crazier to know that he is done in Green Bay if Rodgers leaves, go through a 6-11 season, watch him sign with another team, say the Broncos/Vikings/Bears and then get a 3rd round comp pick for him in 2023. Control who he goes to and what you get for him.

The Packers are a Super Bowl contender with Rodgers though. Therefore the front office should do everything reasonable in their power to keep him in Green Bay but not think about trading other elite players as well.

In addition fans shouldn't be jumping the gun on blowing up the roster as it might take way longer than many anticipate for the Packers to get back to being a legit contender once that happens.

Matt Lefleur Declares: "Jordan Love is our opening day starter, he looks absolutely terrific out there".

Ok...ok...so I slightly changed the headline. But wouldn't that be something if Love looked so good, they decide they didn't need Rodgers. :coffee:

The Packers definitely shouldn't make the decision based on Love's performance in OTAs.
 

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