What do you REALLY think Rodgers would garner in a trade?

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'll go on record and say that the Packers will be a strong playoff team in '24. Our new TE & WR will acclimate to the NFL in '23 & the offense will excel in '24.

Which rookie TE are they pairing with Quentin Johnston?

 

[Pkrjones]

Which rookie TE are they pairing with Quentin Johnston?

Whichever of the top 6 falls to #45. Guessing Musgrave, Kraft or LaPorta. Doubt Gute trades up to grab one of the other 3.

 

[AKCheese]

Cowherd had a great take on this yesterday. If Jimmy G goes to Vegas, who is the Jets plan B? Green Bay isnt going to be able to **** them but they should be able to get a fair deal - Herd was throwing around a 1st a 2nd and Pay some of A-rods blood money. I’d be over the moon with that

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Whichever of the top 6 falls to #45. Guessing Musgrave, Kraft or LaPorta. Doubt Gute trades up to grab one of the other 3.

If somehow we get the Jets first round pick, I think we can use it or our #15, to trade back to later in round 1, with a team like Seattle, who has a ton of picks. Maybe get the Seahawks # 20 and 51st pick. That would give the Packers a lot of options, having #15, #20, #45 and #51.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think the money involved will definitely be part of the negotiations. The Packers may end up eating some of it and as you point out, if that nets better draft assets for the Packers, I'd be fine with that. Let's face it, the Packers won't be chasing a Superbowl in 2023 and maybe not in 2024, so IMO, draft assets become more important in the short term than cap space.

Maybe someone has already discussed this and I’ve missed it or I could be directed to the post #

What is the best case scenario for the Packers from a Rodgers Monetary $$ residual IF a trade happens? I saw a post 6/1 trade left us with $40.3mil (spread across 2 seasons) what about a Pre 6/1 trade? Is it negotiated??

Conversely. What’s the worst case monetary scenario that the Packers could be left with?

Im asking because Im assuming that low to high number is going to have a violent swing on draft capital

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Maybe someone has already discussed this and I’ve missed it or I could be directed to the post #

What is the best case scenario for the Packers from a Rodgers Monetary $$ residual IF a trade happens? I saw a post 6/1 trade left us with $40.3mil (spread across 2 seasons) what about a Pre 6/1 trade? Is it negotiated??

Conversely. What’s the worst case monetary scenario that the Packers could be left with?

Im asking because Im assuming that low to high number is going to have a violent swing on draft capital

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[Poppa San]

Maybe someone has already discussed this and I’ve missed it or I could be directed to the post #

What is the best case scenario for the Packers from a Rodgers Monetary $$ residual IF a trade happens? I saw a post 6/1 trade left us with $40.3mil (spread across 2 seasons) what about a Pre 6/1 trade? Is it negotiated??

Conversely. What’s the worst case monetary scenario that the Packers could be left with?

Im asking because Im assuming that low to high number is going to have a violent swing on draft capital

Wouldn't a post 6/1 trade date negate getting draft picks this season?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Trading him pre-June 1st it is the same.

Actually the dead money will be the same if Rodgers retires or gets traded. The Packers could spread it out over two seasons if he's traded after June 1. I don't see that happening though.

If that were the case then force him to retire.

The Packers can't force Rodgers to retire.

If all the Jets are offering is a 3rd rounder for him, I would pass and see what happens down the road. The Packers have until the start of the season to invoke his option bonus of $58.3M, so it isn't like they are running out of time. The cap gets trickier though, with the not knowing part and once the bulk of Free Agency and the draft are complete, the Packers options to trade Rodgers might not even exist.

Rodgers will count a similar amount of money against the team's cap no matter if he's on the roster for next season, retires or gets traded. Therefore the cap situation doesn't get significantly tricker by the decision being delayed for some time.

An interesting proposition by Silverstein and really, not that bad of a one. Move Jenkins over to LT.

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Jenkins struggled mightily playing tackle this past season. I don't want him to line up anywhere aside of guard. In addition why would the Packers be interested in trading Bakhtiari as well? They aren't in the business of making the Jets better.

What is the best case scenario for the Packers from a Rodgers Monetary $$ residual IF a trade happens? I saw a post 6/1 trade left us with $40.3mil (spread across 2 seasons) what about a Pre 6/1 trade? Is it negotiated??

Conversely. What’s the worst case monetary scenario that the Packers could be left with?

The Packers trading Rodgers will result in dead money of $40.3 million counting towards their cap. If they do it before June 2 it will count against the cap in 2023. If they wait until after that deadline they will take a $15.8 million cap hit in 2023 and another $24.5 million in '24.

 

[gopkrs]

Jenkins struggled mightily playing tackle this past season. I don't want him to line up anywhere aside of guard. In addition why would the Packers be interested in trading Bakhtiari as well? They aren't in the business of making the Jets better.

Absolutely. I am flabbergasted everytime I see someone talking about moving him to tackle. Don't they watch the games?

 

[gopkrs]

Just wanted to say that every year starts out as a super bowl year for me. 2010 kinda came out of thin air.

 

[tynimiller]

Absolutely. I am flabbergasted everytime I see someone talking about moving him to tackle. Don't they watch the games?

They don't.

Yosh or Tom are the first up options at LT on roster IMO - and I'd argue I'd let Jones, Newman or even Walker before I'd try Jenkins there again. Leave the elite guard at guard.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Absolutely. I am flabbergasted everytime I see someone talking about moving him to tackle. Don't they watch the games?

Jenkins was coming off of a torn ACL in 2022, he played LT pretty well prior to the injury. The guy has played left guard, center, right tackle, and left tackle. Prior to 2022, he has been something between very good and great at all of them.

Not recognizing the potential of your players and basing your opinion of their abilities, solely on performance after coming off a major injury, that is flabbergasting, I agree. Could thing coaches watch all the games.

 

[gopkrs]

The guy has played left guard, center, right tackle, and left tackle. He has been something between very good and great at all of them.

That just is not true. Maybe he played some in college and looked good but for us he never was even adequate on the outside...either side. It is not seeing potential. It is wishful thinking imo. Not conducive to building an O line.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That just is not true. Maybe he played some in college and looked good but for us he never was even adequate on the outside...either side. It is not seeing potential. It is wishful thinking imo. Not conducive to building an O line.

In 2021, when he played LT, Jenkins gave up just two sacks and 10 pressures in 229 snaps, becoming the fifth-highest-graded tackle by PFF.

 

[Mondio]

He played fairly well at LT before he got hurt. After he got hurt he was pretty bad at RT. He came back much quicker than I thought he would or should so I'm sure that factored into it. But, will he get that movement back? or is he now stuck at guard where you can hide some of that not being stuck out on the edge by yourself?

Regardless who the QB is, i wouldn't feel good about any without David B and Jenkins on the left side and something better than what we've had on the right. WHy create a gaping hole on the left when you already have to repair one on the right? to save less money than you'll have to spend to bring someone else in? No thanks.

 

[AKCheese]

In 2021, when he played LT, Jenkins gave up just two sacks and 10 pressures in 229 snaps, becoming the fifth-highest-graded tackle by PFF.

Ooooooh there you go getting all factual and everything - you know that’s not welcome here LOL

 

[Magooch]

He played fairly well at LT before he got hurt. After he got hurt he was pretty bad at RT. He came back much quicker than I thought he would or should so I'm sure that factored into it. But, will he get that movement back? or is he now stuck at guard where you can hide some of that not being stuck out on the edge by yourself?

Regardless who the QB is, i wouldn't feel good about any without David B and Jenkins on the left side and something better than what we've had on the right. WHy create a gaping hole on the left when you already have to repair one on the right? to save less money than you'll have to spend to bring someone else in? No thanks.

That's kind of my feeling. Unless you're just desperate to get rid of Rodgers and he will only leave if Bakh goes with him...feels like creating a problem just to "solve" it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's kind of my feeling. Unless you're just desperate to get rid of Rodgers and he will only leave if Bakh goes with him...feels like creating a problem just to "solve" it.

I guess I view the Packers being in rebuild mode if Rodgers is traded/retired. We are talking about an 8-9 team, with Rodgers playing, that is still in the process of kicking cans forward, as well as will be purging Rodgers cap hits. If they could get out from under Bahk's contract, get a pick or two out of it, I'm fine with finding his replacement sooner, rather than later. People will over react to this and say that you don't dismantle the offense and get rid of a former Pro Bowl LT, since Jordan Love will fail if you do. I guess I don't see replacing a guy that is turning 32 in Sept. that sat out the better part of 2 years with injuries, but still was making top money, as dismantling the offense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

One thing that is going on, that I absolutely love, is the fact that the Jets fans and Media are super excited about getting Rodgers. That gets the Jets front office more excited and probably more willing to up the trade offer if need be.

 

[Magooch]

I guess I view the Packers being in rebuild mode if Rodgers is traded/retired. We are talking about an 8-9 team, with Rodgers playing, that is still in the process of kicking cans forward, as well as will be purging Rodgers cap hits. If they could get out from under Bahk's contract, get a pick or two out of it, I'm fine with finding his replacement sooner, rather than later. People will over react to this and say that you don't dismantle the offense and get rid of a former Pro Bowl LT, since Jordan Love will fail if you do. I guess I don't see replacing a guy that is turning 32 in Sept. that sat out the better part of 2 years with injuries, but still was making top money, as dismantling the offense.

I guess ultimately it often boils down to a question of replacement cost. How much would we get in return (assets), how much would we free up (cash), and how much would it cost (assets+cash) to replace his production - assuming he's actually playing, of course
Even if we think Jenkins is the answer there...then we'll need to replace his role elsewhere on the line, which is going to cut into those "savings" to some degree.

Anyways though I guess my ultimate sentiment is that if we're wanting to move Bakh and really clear things out that's fine, but I don't know that it needs to be "Move Bakh AND slot Jenkins in at LT" if you know what I mean. I think Jenkins is a great player but I guess what I'm getting at is that moving Bakhtiari creates a hole at LT and replacing him with Jenkins creates a hole elsewhere. I'd sooner just move Bakh and find a solution at LT that doesn't involve moving Jenkins there.

One thing that is going on, that I absolutely love, is the fact that the Jets fans and Media are super excited about getting Rodgers. That gets the Jets front office more excited and probably more willing to up the trade offer if need be.

Yep, I was thinking this yesterday too. I wouldn't discount the power of fan influence here. It's not going to be a deal-maker or deal-breaker but I think it will be a factor...and that's also why I think the Jets would not be content to turn to Garoppolo or someone similar. For better or worse it seems like (whether it is media noise, or actual talk coming out of the Jets' brass) they have pretty much primed their fans to expect an established top-level QB and I think fans will be disappointed with anything less. So that probably means Lamar or Rodgers, basically.

Like I said that alone won't be a deal-maker/breaker in and of itself but I do think it will create some additional pressure to get a deal done and certainly wouldn't be the first time that we saw fan pressure cause a team to perhaps "overpay" or not make the smartest business decision just to keep the fans happy (for a time, anyways...)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

"Move Bakh AND slot Jenkins in at LT" if you know what I mean. I think Jenkins is a great player but I guess what I'm getting at is that moving Bakhtiari creates a hole at LT and replacing him with Jenkins creates a hole elsewhere. I'd sooner just move Bakh and find a solution at LT that doesn't involve moving Jenkins there.

Agree. I only brought it up, because there was some chatter elsewhere about Bahk potentially being a part of the trade, probably mostly due to he and Aaron's relationship. If that is what it takes to get the job done or even if the Packers decide that its time to move on from Bahk and have other options, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I threw out Jenkins name as a potential replacement and yeah, coming off his torn ACL, it wasn't his best season of football, but given that he has played outstanding football all over the line prior to that, I wouldn't rule it out.

 

[longtimefan]

Agree. I only brought it up, because there was some chatter elsewhere about Bahk potentially being a part of the trade, probably mostly due to he and Aaron's relationship. If that is what it takes to get the job done or even if the Packers decide that it’s time to move on from Bahk and have other options, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I threw out Jenkins name as a potential replacement and yeah, coming off his torn ACL, it wasn't his best season of football, but given that he has played outstanding football all over the line prior to that, I wouldn't rule it out.

David’s extension was being worked on during combine. You think it would been done by now

wonder why

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

David’s extension was being worked on during combine. You think it would been done by now

wonder why

The speculation by some, it might tie into what they do with Rodgers. Whether its trade Bahk or rework his contract, depending on what Aaron does. Don't worry though, Rodgers decision doesn't effect anything that the Packers do.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Are the Jets making cap space available for Rodgers? Today they released Braxton Berrios, which frees up about $5M in cap space for them.

 

[tynimiller]

Are the Jets making cap space available for Rodgers? Today they released Braxton Berrios, which frees up about $5M in cap space for them.

They also trading for a Safety. Jets can easily make space, they still haven't announced extension or cut of Corey Davis...cutting saves them like $11M