Tracking the 2023 Green Bay Roster

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

The video makes the case for Nijman being gone.

Preston Smith: Will be 31 in November...he's the 'cover' EDGE...even when he's supposed to rush, the guy opposite him gets there more often. His contract compared to Enagbare/Van Ness, Cox etc is bigger. You could use the savings he brings and upgrade at Safety or in case there is an injury in the QB room.

 

[gopkrs]

Preston Smith has not even been playing much if at all. He played good last year.

 

[Poppa San]

The video makes the case for Nijman being gone.

Preston Smith: Will be 31 in November...he's the 'cover' EDGE...even when he's supposed to rush, the guy opposite him gets there more often. His contract compared to Enagbare/Van Ness, Cox etc is bigger. You could use the savings he brings and upgrade at Safety or in case there is an injury in the QB room.

Preston costs $6.3m cap hit of which $4m+ is dead cap. Can you replace what he does for $2.5m?

 

[Sanguine camper]

I like Brenton Cox over Hollins if Gute only keeps 5 OLB's. He's just more explosive and plays much bigger. Dillon looks slow legged. Not impressive. I think Heath and Wicks also look quicker than Toure. Right now I would rate him as WR6.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

For me the vets who need to be updating their resume so to speak are as follows:

Deguara
Toure
Nijman
Preston Smith
O'Donnell

Who's outplaying Preston Smith? Gary probably will, but Gary is about to be paid a lot more than Preston. Keep in mind the difference between preseason competition and regular season, with all these guys.

I have never been a Deguara fan as a receiver, but as @tynimiller continually and correctly points out, the guy is valuable as an H-Back and is a lock to be on the 53. If he did step up his role as a receiving TE, yeah, he would be just that much better.

O'Donnell is punting like he always has, there just happens to be a young kid with a big leg in camp. The Packers just have to decide if they are willing to dump a seasoned vet and risk the possibility of Whelen just being another JK Scott.

As far as Nijman, the Packers will have to decide if he has hit his ceiling. If they have, are they 100% sure that what they saw in preseason games, by the guys behind him on the depth chart, are actually better players? I think Nijman could get traded, but I just don't see him being cut. He is a solid enough backup and a proven one in real games.

Toure, yeah, you could be right on him, but he is also only a 2nd year 7th round pick, that the media was potentially overhyping this past May. If he gets cut, I think he would be a lock to make it to the PS, unless Rodgers LOVED him, then the Jets grab him.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Enagbare has been outplaying him. Van Ness will...given the chance Brenton Cox probably will. The position is too loaded to be overpaying a guy.

 

[PikeBadger]

Who's outplaying Preston Smith? Gary probably will, but Gary is about to be paid a lot more than Preston. Keep in mind the difference between preseason competition and regular season, with all these guys.

I have never been a Deguara fan as a receiver, but as @tynimiller continually and correctly points out, the guy is valuable as an H-Back and is a lock to be on the 53. If he did step up his role as a receiving TE, yeah, he would be just that much better.

O'Donnell is punting like he always has, there just happens to be a young kid with a big leg in camp. The Packers just have to decide if they are willing to dump a seasoned vet and risk the possibility of Whelen just being another JK Scott.

As far as Nijman, the Packers will have to decide if he has hit his ceiling. If they have, are they 100% sure that what they saw in preseason games, by the guys behind him on the depth chart, are actually better players? I think Nijman could get traded, but I just don't see him being cut. He is a solid enough backup and a proven one in real games.

Toure, yeah, you could be right on him, but he is also only a 2nd year 7th round pick, that the media was potentially overhyping this past May. If he gets cut, I think he would be a lock to make it to the PS, unless Rodgers LOVED him, then the Jets grab him.

There are about to be 1100 new additions to the existing free agents already on the market. I don't think the Packers are going to have a whole lot of concern about losing guys to other teams. I think it's more a matter of them keeping the right guys that can fill out special teams.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There are about to be 1100 new additions to the existing free agents already on the market. I don't think the Packers are going to have a whole lot of concern about losing guys to other teams. I think it's more a matter of them keeping the right guys that can fill out special teams.

I do agree that the free agent market is about to be flooded with potential talent. However, keep in mind, almost half of those players (512) could be signed to 32 teams practice squads. Each man released, can be picked up off of waivers, but has to be signed to that teams 53. Or, they become free agents and can sign to any teams PS, so nothing guarantees any of the Packers 37 roster cuts, coming back to the PS.

I would guess that there are 5 or so players that are on the Packers minds right now. Those are the players that they really like and don't want to lose to another team, but are in a quandary as to what to do with them.

While I would agree with the idea that we as fans, might be overly attached to a players potential on our own team and in doing so, assume the Packers are too. That said, I don't doubt that there are guys that get cut, that the Packers are holding their breath, until they are back on the PS.

 

[gopkrs]

There are about to be 1100 new additions to the existing free agents already on the market. I don't think the Packers are going to have a whole lot of concern about losing guys to other teams. I think it's more a matter of them keeping the right guys that can fill out special teams.

I'm thinking to keep the guys that are more likely to help out if needed at their positions. With good coaching, the special teams will be OK, and I just don't see a special teamer good enough to win the 53 based only on special teams.

 

[gopkrs]

Enagbare has been outplaying him. Van Ness will...given the chance Brenton Cox probably will. The position is too loaded to be overpaying a guy.

Do you realize that unless Preston falls off a cliff; there is not a chance in hell that they are cutting him? And how do you know Enagbare is outplaying him? The same was said about Enagbare last year in pre-season. I mean that he looked like the 2nd coming.

 

[gopkrs]

The video makes the case for Nijman being gone.

I would be fine with Nijman leaving. And I don't think he has nearly the trade value (if any) that others optimistically talk about. I would like to see the O line trim down because there are some players that just are not going to help win games. And yet we will put them in games because of seniority only. To me, that does not include Ryan. But Newman would be on that list.

 

[tynimiller]

Preston costs $6.3m cap hit of which $4m+ is dead cap. Can you replace what he does for $2.5m?

In a world where I wake up with a six pack and I bought the state of Wyoming for a $1 from the US

 

[Voyageur]

Preston costs $6.3m cap hit of which $4m+ is dead cap. Can you replace what he does for $2.5m?

People tend to overlook the cap hit, when you dump a player. Your question answers it completely. There's no way you can replace Smith's productivity, and leadership for $2.5 mill. You're lucky to get a guy who is even a #2 level player.

 

[Krabs]

For me the vets who need to be updating their resume so to speak are as follows:

Deguara
Toure
Nijman
Preston Smith
O'Donnell

All are being outplayed by younger and in Toure's case bigger and younger guys. Do I think they ALL get cut? No...I would bet money that it's at least 1 of them though.

People tend to overlook the cap hit, when you dump a player. Your question answers it completely. There's no way you can replace Smith's productivity, and leadership for $2.5 mill. You're lucky to get a guy who is even a #2 level player.

Yeah, there's no way Preston Smith is being cut. It makes no sense financially and he is a good player. Say Enagbere beats Smith out and is on the field more. Smith is still on the team and in the rotation.

I do agree that the free agent market is about to be flooded with potential talent. However, keep in mind, almost half of those players (512) could be signed to 32 teams practice squads. Each man released, can be picked up off of waivers, but has to be signed to that teams 53. Or, they become free agents and can sign to any teams PS, so nothing guarantees any of the Packers 37 roster cuts, coming back to the PS.

I would guess that there are 5 or so players that are on the Packers minds right now. Those are the players that they really like and don't want to lose to another team, but are in a quandary as to what to do with them.

While I would agree with the idea that we as fans, might be overly attached to a players potential on our own team and in doing so, assume the Packers are too. That said, I don't doubt that there are guys that get cut, that the Packers are holding their breath, until they are back on the PS.

Yeah, it is rare for a team to sign away guys off waivers. It seems I have to say this every year. Every team has guys from training camp they want to sign after waivers to their practice squad. Teams do not tend to go after other teams cuts from training camp. They tend to sign their own guys they had in house. They spent a few weeks with them, got to know the players and the player got to know the system.

 

[tynimiller]

There isn't a world that exists where Preston Smith is not our second best OLB right now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There isn't a world that exists where Preston Smith is not our second best OLB right now.

Nahhhh......they should cut him and put him right on the PS

 

[tynimiller]

Nahhhh......they should cut him and put him right on the PS

LOL right...I mean cutting him is the equivalent of cutting Rasul or just cutting Dillon...zero logic in it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

LOL right...I mean cutting him is the equivalent of cutting Rasul or just cutting Dillon...zero logic in it.

Might as well cut Campbell while you are at it and Savage.

Sometimes I think fans need to realize that this isn't Madden Football we are talking about.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

People tend to overlook the cap hit, when you dump a player. Your question answers it completely. There's no way you can replace Smith's productivity, and leadership for $2.5 mill. You're lucky to get a guy who is even a #2 level player.

Maybe part of the reason this team hasn't won a Superbowl since the Obama Administration is because of the 'we have to keep this guy even though he is going downhill' mentality.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Maybe part of the reason this team hasn't won a Superbowl since the Obama Administration is because of the 'we have to keep this guy even though he is going downhill' mentality.

Nice strawman argument.

Suggesting that the Packers cut Preston Smith isn't going to improve the Packers nor do much for your credibility on what will and won't make the Packers a successful team.

I asked how you would address the $18+M dead cap hit that cutting Preston would create, what is your answer?

 

[tynimiller]

Maybe part of the reason this team hasn't won a Superbowl since the Obama Administration is because of the 'we have to keep this guy even though he is going downhill' mentality.

We are literally known as the place where we kick veterans to the side quicker than many think we should in more cases than not...just call up Greg Jennings and ask him...he will rattle off names like his, Jordy, James Jones, Rodgers, Favre, Bulaga....

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

We are literally known as the place where we kick veterans to the side quicker than many think we should in more cases than not...just call up Greg Jennings and ask him...he will rattle off names like his, Jordy, James Jones, Rodgers, Favre, Bulaga....

Rodgers is a bad example. He was given the job 2 years before he was better than Favre and should've been gone 2-3 years earlier. I do see with the rest of the list what you are saying, and I would add Daniels and Sitton to the list

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Rodgers is a bad example. He was given the job 2 years before he was better than Favre and should've been gone 2-3 years earlier.

Rodgers should have been gone 2-3 years earlier? Are you suggesting the Packers made a mistake in trading Favre and keeping Rodgers?

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

Rodgers should have been gone 2-3 years earlier? Are you suggesting the Packers made a mistake in trading Favre and keeping Rodgers?

1st question 1st: He should've been benched at the exact moment he went 3-8 23 yards and 2 TOs at halftime of a playoff game. Don't even LET him do the debauchle where 3 wide receivers are WIDE open and he's still looking for a triple team Davante Adams.

2nd question 2nd: Favre should've been a Packer through 2009.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

1st question 1st: He should've been benched at the exact moment he went 3-8 23 yards and 2 TOs at halftime of a playoff game. Don't even LET him do the debauchle where 3 wide receivers are WIDE open and he's still looking for a triple team Davante Adams.

2nd question 2nd: Favre should've been a Packer through 2009.

I'll say you bring an interesting perspective. Cut Preston Smith and let Rodgers walk in Free Agency to keep Favre.

You still haven't answered this:

I asked how you would address the $18+M dead cap hit that cutting Preston would create, what is your answer?