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[Deleted member 6794]

So much potential to be a great offense....or is there? Maybe our expectations are what need fixing?

I'm absolutely convinced the Packers offense has enough potential to perform on an elite level.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm absolutely convinced the Packers offense has enough potential to perform on an elite level.

I am too, but starting to doubt them getting it fixed anytime soon.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I am too, but starting to doubt them getting it fixed anytime soon.

Hopefully you're wrong about that.

 

[PikeBadger]

I'm absolutely convinced the Packers offense has enough potential to perform on an elite level.

Yes agree, but I consider top 5 in the NFL elite. I'm not expecting a 2011 type season. I think you can be considered elite without putting up those crazy numbers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hopefully you're wrong about that.

I'm counting on it! LOL

But its not a matter of being right or wrong. I'm talking more about my expectations of an offensive turn around. Expectations, that have been on a slow gradual decline for quite awhile.

 

[Robert Mason]

Last season was so painful to watch that I honestly would go into every game stressed out and not even enjoy it. When I was at Lambeau for the Giants game, it reminded me that I need to relax and enjoy the game more. I'm going to do my best from here on out to just watch and enjoy.

We're 3-1 and our offense can be way, way better. I have faith in Rodgers to fix his sloppy play and we can see the offense we all know and love. I'd rather struggle now than struggle in December. We have time to fix this. Just keep winning.

Going into the Giants game I thought Manning was going to shred the Packer secondary with Beckham and Cruz like Stafford did the previous week. Luckily Manning did a Jay Cutler impersonation !

 

[OldSchool101]

Last I looked, the Packers were 25th in Yards per game, 25th in points per game, and 18th in yards per play.

Um yeah Mike, offense is just fine.

There are strengths to this offense, but if he doesn't want to admit that this offense has some significant problems, then others will say so. Sorry you don't like it Mike.

Meanwhile, Tom Brady returns after a 4-game suspension and throws for over 400 yards and 3 TDs. No "out-of-sync" there eh? I can't remember the last time Rodgers threw for over 400 yards.

In addition to AR's decline in performance, I also think that the Packer receiving corps just isn't that good. The idea that Jordy Nelson's return was going to make everything better turns out to be have been wishful thinking. Packers #2 receiver is merely ok, the TE is definitely sub-par, and there's no Matt Forte on this team who is a great receiving RB.

While I hear what you're saying and agree with you that we are "out of sync"..saying we don't have great receivers doesn't explain how we had the same and best #1-2 tandem WRs in the league in Jordy and Cobb a couple years ago. I also think Cobb played more effectively than any other receiver the Pack has this past Sunday.
Davante is looking better but he still had 2 crucial penalties that cost us dearly. He erased his TD with those IMO.
I'd like to see us mix it up at #3 WR and give Davis and Janis more reps

 

[OldSchool101]

It wasn't very long ago that I was in Virginia and we had 3 seperate games televised on FOX that got turned off for other contests between the 3rd and mid 4th quarters because we were dominating teams. We had essentially the same O as now.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

saying we don't have great receivers doesn't explain how we had the same and best #1-2 tandem WRs in the league in Jordy and Cobb a couple years ago.

First of all I would argue that Demariyus Thomas and Emmanuels Sanders were the best receiving tandem in 2014. Nelson having lost a step after tearing his ACL and the lack of a tight end capable of stretching the field factor into the Packers receiving corps struggling.

 

[OldSchool101]

First of all I would argue that Demariyus Thomas and Emmanuels Sanders were the best receiving tandem in 2014. Nelson having lost a step after tearing his ACL and the lack of a tight end capable of stretching the field factor into the Packers receiving corps struggling.

I'm also in agreement that the TE position is a key component in our lack of passing game. IMO we are underutilizing with our short passing game to RBs, particularly Eddie who has shown in the past that given a few yards momentum Past the LOS he is formidable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

IMO, until we see the "same QB and same WR's" that "we saw in 2014 and prior years", in terms of production, we need to stop thinking along the lines of what our offense was doing in 2014. I'm not trying to paint a picture of doom and gloom, but I would rather not keep hearing how good we once were, but focus more on what the current offense can do moving forward as well as how current teams are defending us. While it is virtually the same group of players, I am starting to think "they aren't coming back". They still can be a good offense but won't be if the players and the coaches collectively have the mindset of "lets go back to what was working 2 years ago." Each player has aged and changed in that time frame, as have the defenses they are going up against...roll with the changes.

 

[OldSchool101]

IMO, until we see the "same QB and same WR's" that "we saw in 2014 and prior years", in terms of production, we need to stop thinking along the lines of what our offense was doing in 2014. I'm not trying to paint a picture of doom and gloom, but I would rather not keep hearing how good we once were, but focus more on what the current offense can do moving forward as well as how current teams are defending us. While it is virtually the same group of players, I am starting to think "they aren't coming back". They still can be a good offense but won't be if the players and the coaches collectively have the mindset of "lets go back to what was working 2 years ago." Each player has aged and changed in that time frame, as have the defenses they are going up against...roll with the changes.

It is true that great teams adapt to the cards they've been dealt (that ones for you Poker).
My gut is that we may have to lower our expectations a bit. We were an offensive powerhouse and as someone in here said "we dont need to be an Offensive Powerhouse" with this year's defense but moreso be consistent.
I think the tables are turned and as I said in 2014 about our D improving to top 1/3 or so would make us dangerous. Now I'd say if our Offence can get to
Around top 12 we'll be very hard to beat. I think we all know this is a very reasonable goal.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It is true that great teams adapt to the cards they've been dealt (that ones fit you Poker).

Good way to put it, play with the hand we currently hold and stop thinking about that same hand we were playing with 2 years ago and how we played it back then. Actually, in the Poker world this is somewhat similar. There are a lot of older guys wondering why they aren't winning like they used to, "the cards haven't changed". No, they haven't, but what has changed is the way the young internet players around you are playing. I digress, but hopefully someone sees my point.

 

[OldSchool101]

This should be our Packers theme song

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[Pokerbrat2000]

This should be our Packers theme song

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That song was going through my head when I typed it! LOL

"So if you're tired of the same old story
Oh, turn some pages
I will be here when you are ready
To roll with the changes"

Of course the song is talking about a woman, but come on, for some of us......the Packers are our.......oh never mind.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

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I am LOL because in reading this thread, I had to check the post dates, since it felt a lot like posts we were all making last year (less the Defense playing well) for the better part of the season.

I think that is the most frustrating part for me, new season, same problems on offense, same explanations from the Packers, same hopes of fixing it by us fans. Yes, we are going to win games, but unless things improve with AR and the receivers, the better teams will beat us.

So much potential to be a great offense....or is there? Maybe our expectations are what need fixing?

We shouldn't be talking potential right now. This offense has been together too long for it to be so sloppy and unproductive.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Let's give Davis a chance first, maybe he's capable of running a route without interferring with another receiver.

Even Janis couldn't foul up a go or stop-and-go route. I've been a little disappointed with Davis; I don't think his field long speed matches up to his 40 time.

I saw him run one in combination with a Cobb out route for a completion in the Giants game. He just needs to occupy a safety, and if the safety doesn't bite give him a shot. If nothing else, we know he'll contest for the ball.

 

[Poppa San]

Even Janis couldn't foul up a go or stop-and-go route. I've been a little disappointed with Davis; I don't think his field long speed matches up to his 40 time.

Or send either one deep and bank on the interference call. Seems to be the most productive plays of both those receivers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

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We shouldn't be talking potential right now. This offense has been together too long for it to be so sloppy and unproductive.

But that is my point, we all seem to be talking about and waiting for an offense we saw in 2014 and briefly in 2015 to return, how long do you wait? I would rather talk about the offense we currently have, how the players are currently performing and move forward. Just a matter of perspective, nothing else.

 

[Robert Mason]

Teamwork !

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[Mondio]

I'm not waiting for 2014 again, but I can see the parts coming together. First off, our offensive line play is much better than last year. last year Rodgers wouldn't even get to his spot before he was avoiding a rush. This year he seems to be moving when he wants to, not because he has to. Adams looks different than last year. He needs to become way more consistent and he'll be a star, but right now this year, he's easily an adequate #3 WR. Cobb is obviously not the Cobb of last year. He's tough, he's gritty, he's making important plays and he has 2 good arms to beat jams. Jordy has looked better every week until his hands failed him much of the last game but he's moving better. That's a good sign. He didn't forget how to catch and I know he's the type of person that will get it right sooner than later.


Everyone wants success now, well we're 3-1. Things could have been better, but at the same time you can hear from AR's comments and MM comments and from watching that this organization has the same philosophy from the top to the bottom in all aspects of the team. In personnel, it's always big picture. There game calls, plans and schemes are as well. I'm certain there were plays called that would have worked better in certain taimes these past 4 games. But they have the restraint and the commitment to growth to stick to the plan.

This offense is complex, and every year they start slow. We played nobody important in the preseason, this first month or so is just an extension of that. Jordy, Cobb and Adams are our best 3. They have things to work out. You can think they should just do it, and that's fine as a fan, but these things take work, real game time work and that will never, ever change. This offense will evolve, it will get better and what you see today isn't going to be the same in December. Players need work, our scheme needs work, every year is different, coaches need to re-learn players and players need to re-learn their job. These guys are professionals, they're good, they're going to get it done.

Other than the beginning of last year, I can't remember a 1st 4-6 weeks of a season where our offense wasn't filled with mistakes from penalties to misfires and by the end of the year things were running much more smoothly on that side of the ball. So while I don't expect record setting years to be the norm, this offense will get more efficient and it will get better.