The Jordan Love Thread

[tynimiller]

Calling him changes nothing...nothing.

 

[thequick12]

I didn't mean that. They physically could have called him. But I just cannot see doing something like that during the draft process.

Why not? If you had been working with a guy for 15 years and he made you ridiculous amounts of cash...you couldn't see reaching out to him prior to making a big public decision that impacts his direct future...

 

[thequick12]

Calling him changes nothing...nothing.

You're right in that what he's upset about is a pattern of treating people that way...not just that single act of disrespect

However you gotta start somewhere if you wanna change both as a person or as a organization. The organizational culture in gb went from friendly family to cold corporate and that happened as soon as Murphy took over in 2007 and immediately mishandled the Favre situation

 

[Krabs]

No you didn’t say that, but you act like it. No one said love would win a SB his first year out.. btw, what was Aaron Rodgers record his first year as a starter? They’ve got to start somewhere!

So If our MVP (keep in mind he’s still under employment by GB) decides to sit the season out while under 3 more years of contract, who’s fault is that exactly that he is taking the entire team hostage and forcing the Packers to abort their plans?
I’d say that Aaron Rodgers fault. You act like Brian publicly and personally insulted Aaron by drafting a QB. Teams do this stuff all the time. Matter of fact, didn’t Aaron get drafted to replace Favre? Why is he so special as an exception in 2005?


I thought that also at the time, but let’s be realistic.. that was then and this is now. I just don’t like living in the past.

Have you considered that Love was the best player left on Green Bay’s Board and at a position that was in the plans with a year or two? That Brian might’ve even been somewhat knowing the scrutiny coming.. but he did what he thought was best for the team regardless of possible backlash?
So if you are a GM (I’ll still offer you the respect you didn’t offer me ) and your convictions tell you to pick the best valued player in the draft, then the best valued player happens to be at QB, but maybe 1 year earlier than you ideally anticipated.. would you as GM pass up on that player if no other player on the board was close in value?

Would you player reach?
would you Play it safe?
Would you take that DT or WR at #29, even though you had him at #38 overall and he likely needed a year?

First off, I think Rodgers is a big baby over this whole thing. My only point over this whole saga is that Rodgers gives the best chance for the Packers to win a Super Bowl. Rodgers says he is mad because it is about the people. He specifically brought up Kumerow. I don't think Brian G. is watching any press conferences in the preseason that Rodgers is giving. They have surrounded Rodgers in talent and I can't understand how he doesn't see that. They gave him several lucrative contracts through the years. The front office has done more than enough to keep this guy happy. He's just being a baby. Don't think I'm sitting here defending him. I'm over that.

Second, Rodgers was arguably the best QB in the 2005 draft. It was either Smith or Rodgers and everyone though it was going to be Rodgers. It was different because Rodgers fell to the Packers. They made a trade to move up and draft Love.

Lastly, I'm not a GM. I'm just a fan that likes talking football. I don't think Love will be very good, but if Brian G. thought so then it's his job to draft him. Regardless of scrutiny, he has to do his job. With that said, scrutiny is going to come and it is coming from me. I didn't like the pick and I think as a fan it is okay to think that. I do trust the front office. I just didn't like the pick. I really thought they drafted up to take Queen and finally address the ILB position. I was sitting there saying, "come on, take him".

So, there you go @OldSchool101. Hope I answered all your questions.

 

[Mondio]

GB calls Rodgers and says we might draft a QB, he leaks he's pissed. A team catches wind and jumps up and takes Love. Now GB has no QB of future they've pegged and Rodgers is still pissed. What's better?

a team has zero benefit to including players in the draft process.

 

[Krabs]

What was the reason for not winning a SB for last 11 years?

Thats how you troll @Nick Karbula

Not sure why anyone needs to be trolled. I would say the biggest reason for not winning a Super Bowl over the past 11 years is because it is really hard to do. They don't just hand those trophies out. They had the Seahawks beat. It took a bunch of fluke plays for them to lose that game. The past two NFC Championship games I would argue that the other teams were just better. Especially the one against the 49ers. They got trounced by them twice in that season. They got trounced by the Bucs in the regular season, had a better game plan in the playoffs, and let it get away. That play before half was inexcusable and that was on Petine for calling man coverage. He lost his job over it. To summarize, it's hard to win a Super Bowl and the Packers have been competitive coming up just short. I'd say that's all a fan can really ask for.

 

[thequick12]

For some perspective on things Khris Middleton makes more money than Aaron Rodgers...

 

[Krabs]

For some perspective on things Khris Middleton makes more money than Aaron Rodgers...

You can't compare the NBA with the NFL. NBA teams only carry around 12-13 guys. The NFL teams carry 53 just on the game day rosters. They have to spread the money around more. The NBA also caters to their players more. Apples and oranges so they say.

 

[tynimiller]

You're right in that what he's upset about is a pattern of treating people that way...not just that single act of disrespect

However you gotta start somewhere if you wanna change both as a person or as a organization. The organizational culture in gb went from friendly family to cold corporate and that happened as soon as Murphy took over in 2007 and immediately mishandled the Favre situation

I meant more calling him about Love, doesn't change the draft pick, it doesn't change Rodgers mentality which has never been different, nor does it change where we are now.

Also Rodgers beef is not about the money, we even tried to extend him, and when this last contract was signed pretty certain it was the highest contract out there for QBs.

This whole issue is that Rodgers would rather live in a world where he is the GM/Owner and QB. It really is that simple. He is one of the best D*** QB's ever to lace up and has an ego (albeit "quiet") larger than most and both those things have led to him feeling he should be more than QB.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

What was the reason for not winning a SB for last 11 years?

Thats how you troll @Nick Karbula

Bad defense. Inactive 3rd string QB didn't affect SB chances at any point that I can recall.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

This whole issue is that Rodgers would rather live in a world where he is the GM/Owner and QB. It really is that simple. He is one of the best D*** QB's ever to lace up and has an ego (albeit "quiet") larger than most and both those things have led to him feeling he should be more than QB.

Curious about your reasoning on this. He hasn't appeared to say this or hint at this. It seems that his issue is with how the front office and management has changed its approach to dealing with players over the years.

 

[tynimiller]

Curious about your reasoning on this. He hasn't appeared to say this or hint at this. It seems that his issue is with how the front office and management has changed its approach to dealing with players over the years.

That is precisely my reasoning as you said. He is unhappy that they are not doing things as he would do or thinks they should.

 

[Half Empty]

Why not? If you had been working with a guy for 15 years and he made you ridiculous amounts of cash...you couldn't see reaching out to him prior to making a big public decision that impacts his direct future...

How much more has the Pack earned with him than it would have without him?

Didn't it work the other way around, too? They made him abscene amounts of money.

 

[thequick12]

That is precisely my reasoning as you said. He is unhappy that they are not doing things as he would do or thinks they should.

But it's not that he wants to be gm and pick the players...he just wants the players to be treated with the kind of basic respect that should be common place in any work environment...

 

[tynimiller]

But it's not that he wants to be gm and pick the players...he just wants the players to be treated with the kind of basic respect that should be common place in any work environment...

This is simply not true. That makes it seem as if the organization is being vindictive or mistreating players; I haven't heard this from anyone?

What examples do we have of this disrespectful actions, that are confirmed?

 

[longtimefan]

But it's not that

Bad defense. Inactive 3rd string QB didn't affect SB chances at any point that I can recall.

Nothing about the Def getting 4 int in a game and only getting 6 points vs Seattle..

or 3 straight interceptions and really nothing in return? Vs tampa

You.only recall bad defense and not bad offense out put

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I have no idea if we'll win a Super Bowl with Love. I wouldn't bet on it in year 1, whether it's this year or next or the one after.

Good logical thinking. I don`t think anybody in their right mind would think he`s going to solve all our problems in one fell swoop, but neither do those with rose tinted glasses seriously think the same of Rodgers.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Why not? If you had been working with a guy for 15 years and he made you ridiculous amounts of cash...you couldn't see reaching out to him prior to making a big public decision that impacts his direct future...

Yeah, I was pissed when the airport didn`t consult me prior to my retirement to advise them on my replacement.

 

[thequick12]

How much more has the Pack earned with him than it would have without him?

Didn't it work the other way around, too? They made him abscene amounts of money.

No they wouldn't pay him what they do if they weren't making far more off of him...

Here's a more average person example. I work for a venue to set up a concert I get paid x by the venue...the venue charges the tour x times 2 or more for my services. The venue is making at least as much or more per hour as I am off my hour of work. And that's not accounting for the money I make them by preforming whatever task. That's just what they make because I showed up...

So yeah Rodgers made a lot

Yeah, I was pissed when the airport didn`t consult me prior to my retirement to advise them on my replacement.

Hahaha nice...I was pissed when they told me the high tech scanning machine alerted on my groin and they were gonna have to pat it down...

 

[OldSchool101]

But it's not that he wants to be gm and pick the players...he just wants the players to be treated with the kind of basic respect that should be common place in any work environment...

I don’t think they’ve intentionally mistreated Aaron Rodgers. I do think they could’ve supplied him with better weapons throughout his tenure, but that’s not “mistreating” or “oppressive” type behavior. As I’ve said, if anything, the former FO got that started and it could be taken as a compliment that they believed Rodgers would elevate the Offense without high priced weapons.

No. This is more about ego. Aaron was friends with Jordy and Cobb and felt slighted when they cut ties unexpectedly. If anything, Aaron Rodgers let his personal feelings get in the way of his work. He’s human I get that. However, the way Aaron handled his displeasure was “eye for an eye” type backlash. He could’ve handled this better imo. That’s my main point

That said, I’m at the juncture that I’m not sure if his head is in the game anymore and even as talented as he is? $40mil annual for a new contract is too much to pay anyone not 100% committed to our team. He just might have burned his bridges already I’m not sure behind closed doors. Hopefully it didn’t get too personal I wasn’t there. It doesn’t take away from him being talented, that was never the argument, we’ve all watched him. But I’d personally prefer a Captain of the team not creating dissension among the ranks. That’s very dangerous to allow and I don’t care who it is doing it. He’s put himself square on the trap door of the weakest link.
Sticking bandaids on this isn’t going to solve this issue. Team Allegiance and full commitment across the ranks are far more important and I’ll take a fully committed team over Aaron Rodgers any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[Krabs]

No. This is more about ego. Aaron was friends with Jordy and Cobb and felt slighted when they cut ties unexpectedly. If anything, Aaron Rodgers let his personal feelings get in the way of his work. He’s human I get that. However, the way Aaron handled his displeasure was “eye for an eye” type backlash. He could’ve handled this better imo. That’s my main point

I totally agree with this and said this before he came out with the "it's about the people statement". He was mad that his friends got cut. Sure, Jordy had a couple more years in the tank and Cobb is still in the league. The front office thought it was time to move on and so they did. I wish they would have kept Jordy and let him ride off into the sunset, but there's only 53 men they can suit up. Hard decisions have to be made. They didn't want to keep aging and injury prone WR's for young and upcoming guys. I think that is his beef. His friends would have taken pay cuts to stay and play with Rodgers, but they never even explored opening that door. Again, that is not Rodgers job.

 

[thequick12]

I don’t think they’ve intentionally mistreated Aaron Rodgers. I do think they could’ve supplied him with better weapons throughout his tenure, but that’s not “mistreating” or “oppressive” type behavior. As I’ve said, if anything, the former FO got that started and it could be taken as a compliment that they believed Rodgers would elevate the Offense without high priced weapons.

No. This is more about ego. Aaron was friends with Jordy and Cobb and felt slighted when they cut ties unexpectedly. If anything, Aaron Rodgers let his personal feelings get in the way of his work. He’s human I get that. However, the way Aaron handled his displeasure was “eye for an eye” type backlash. He could’ve handled this better imo. That’s my main point

That said, I’m at the juncture that I’m not sure if his head is in the game anymore and even as talented as he is? $40mil annual for a new contract is too much to pay anyone not 100% committed to our team. He just might have burned his bridges already I’m not sure behind closed doors. Hopefully it didn’t get too personal I wasn’t there. It doesn’t take away from him being talented, that was never the argument, we’ve all watched him. But I’d personally prefer a Captain of the team not creating dissension among the ranks. That’s very dangerous to allow and I don’t care who it is doing it. He’s put himself square on the trap door of the weakest link.
Sticking bandaids on this isn’t going to solve this issue. Team Allegiance and full commitment across the ranks are far more important and I’ll take a fully committed team over Aaron Rodgers any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I totally agree with this and said this before he came out with the "it's about the people statement". He was mad that his friends got cut. Sure, Jordy had a couple more years in the tank and Cobb is still in the league. The front office thought it was time to move on and so they did. I wish they would have kept Jordy and let him ride off into the sunset, but there's only 53 men they can suit up. Hard decisions have to be made. They didn't want to keep aging and injury prone WR's for young and upcoming guys. I think that is his beef. His friends would have taken pay cuts to stay and play with Rodgers, but they never even explored opening that door. Again, that is not Rodgers job.

I disagree, I believe it was the way in which they went about doing those things not the fact that they made tough decisions....

 

[tynimiller]

I disagree, I believe it was the way in which they went about doing those things not the fact that they made tough decisions....

LOL dude he is pissed they didn't do what he wanted. Throwing a dinner banquet to thank Kumerow for his junk playing time before not pursuing him for another year would have done nothing different as example.

I hope he pursues a career post-playing as a GM or owner given all this.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Hahaha nice...I was pissed when they told me the high tech scanning machine alerted on my groin and they were gonna have to pat it down..

See ? keep smiling

 

[OldSchool101]

They didn't want to keep aging and injury prone WR's for young and upcoming guys. I think that is his beef. His friends would have taken pay cuts to stay and play with Rodgers, but they never even explored opening that door. Again, that is not Rodgers job.

Listen, I was the one arguing they should resign Jordy or Cobb on the cheap (we know now Jordy would’ve taken a substantial paycut to stay and I believe he puts up 1000 yards with Aaron slinging it to him). However I also understand they were trying to change the dynamics of team, so it’s a tough business. Aaron’s not alone, this happens league wide.

I disagree, I believe it was the way in which they went about doing those things not the fact that they made tough decisions....

There’s no easy way to put someone out to pasture. How exactly did “they” go about doing it? I wasn’t there, are you talking about not offering them a competitive deal?
It’s my belief that Aaron didn’t like the unexpectedness of the departures of Kumerow, Cobb and Jordy (plus maybe Linsley and others). It’s also my belief Aaron thought he’d have immunity from those moves until he saw Love get drafted. That must bern the most sobering drink of Scotch he ever had.