While that is true, you are wrong.
Most definitely agree that Love has a long way to go before he can be fairly evaluated. Whether he gets that chance in GB, will totally be up to Rodgers and fate. I can't think of an NFL QB that looked like a FHOF QB after one NFL start (finding out on Wed. b4 game) and a 2nd half of a game playing with backups.
I can't speak for the captain, but I'm moreso trying to keep things in perspective. I'm not deducting points for the screen play, but I'm not giving additional points either for a simple toss to the back. That should be a fundamental expectation with any halfway decent quarterback in this league.
Love executed the play perfectly. The entire team executed it perfectly. Love should be commended.
If you can't differentiate the thought that Rodgers has zero to prove in regards to his ability to make every play on the field then I'm not sure what else I can do to help you. For the record, I don't do cartwheels for Rodgers on those plays either.
I agree with this completely.
It is not as simple as it seems. Timing is critical and difficult. There are multiple scenarios based on the defense alignment and reaction. He made a good play.
That would be like saying an OL blocker Doesn’t get credit for a 2 yard hole he opens up for a RB!
For sure you give Love his chance. Next year is year 3 so you need to determine if he’s worth his option or not. Either he is good and you except use that option or he stinks and you end up with an early pick where we can give a new GM a swing at the QB position.
So to condense your point, if Love doesn't blossom you fire the Gute.
Who were the 2 failures? If Love does stink I will give you that one but who was the second? Boyle?
he was an undrafted FA signing. You are going to count him against Gute? I also can't figure out why on earth you would count Kizer against him. Sure he traded for him but he traded a guy we were probably going to cut anyway for a guy that nobody really knew. Even though Kizer didn't pan out that's the kind of move a GM should be making. Don't even get me started on you counting it against him for being rumored to have wanted Lock.
Rodgers was the other failure because he believed Rodgers was done and we all know how that turned out. Rodgers made Gute look like an absolute fool.Who were the 2 failures? If Love does stink I will give you that one but who was the second? Boyle?
Where are you getting the early pick? are you assuming the Packers will have a poor record or are you anticipating an early pick for Love because that ain't happening. If he is not good enough to be the Packers QB going forward nobody else is giving up a high pick for him.
So you think if Love is a flop next season Gute should be fired. That's just ridiculous. He has one legitimate attempt at securing the Packers QB of the future in Love. Kizer was not a legitimate attempt it was a poke and hope and I doubt Boyle was ever really considered more than a potential backup. The guy has built a team that was in the NFCC game two years in a row and one game away from a third trip and you want him fired because he missed on one QB. Gute wouldn't be out of a job for a day if the Packers fired him.
You’re hanging on to stuff you don’t need to keep hanging on to.
I remember there being a lot of people on this forum who were certain that Jefferson was a for sure bust. At least never in the 1st round.
The only thing I remember is thinking Jefferson might slide later in round 1 where we could either select him with our natural pick or trade up a couple selections into that top
The only thing I think we can all acknowledge is that drafting Love was the only selection that had a 100% chance of NOT contributing to winning a Super Bowl, assuming Rodgers wouldn't have gotten abducted by aliens.
Never know. Rodgers gets hurt early in 2020 season, Love is looking pretty good by week 9 and great by week16. Rodgers gets traded for 3 first and 2 2nd rounders and Love guides the Packers to a 20-0 Superbowl winning season in 2021.
This is the typical response I get from the Gute defenders. Rodgers didnt up his game because of Love. Thats ********. Gutey didnt have the ability to self reflect on the team he built around Rodgers. First he left MM in charge and I defend MM the HC. As a playcaller and designer MM sucked. It made everything harder on Rodgers. On the other side of this Rodgers had a horrible supporting cast. As I said before Gute drafted 3 WRs and signed Graham and thought that was good enough to help Rodgers. History shows us Graham was such a failure he was cut 2 years into a very bad deal, 2 of those WRs drafted were cut before the end of their rookie deals and the other was MVS who is an average and inconsistent speed guy.
That would be like saying an OL blocker Doesn’t get credit for a 2 yard hole he opens up for a RB!
It’s getting crazier by the minute!
Likely (hopefully not) directly. I still believe Love was a significant push in Aaron Rodgers performance over the last 2 seasons. One thing I’ve learned about #12 is that he is ultra competitive in many facets of his life. (Im sure Danica has some stories)
Including perceived QB competition.
Who ever has it in for Love will find every little thing wrong to prove their point.
I am in your mindset that Love gave Rodgers a fire. Maybe subconsciously but it had an affectLikely (hopefully not) directly. I still believe Love was a significant push in Aaron Rodgers performance over the last 2 seasons. One thing I’ve learned about #12 is that he is ultra competitive in many facets of his life. (Im sure Danica has some stories)
IF that’s true? (Obviously it’s hard to quantify that other than back to back MVP performance) It could’ve been the single best move from a personnel standpoint for a player that has barely seen the field.
