The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

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Pokerbrat2000

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Packers just freed up some spending money for next season.

The Packers converted $14.26 million of Aaron Rodgers' $19.5 million roster bonus for 2020 into a signing bonus.

That allows the money to prorate over five seasons for cap purposes, including 2019.

This move creates $11.4 million in additional 2020 cap space.
 

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Packers just freed up some spending money for next season.

The Packers converted $14.26 million of Aaron Rodgers' $19.5 million roster bonus for 2020 into a signing bonus.

That allows the money to prorate over five seasons for cap purposes, including 2019.

This move creates $11.4 million in additional 2020 cap space.
Nice late Xmas present. Maybe Gluten can find a second WR, a real TE, and or an aggressive ILB in FA.
 

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Duly noted ;)

I don't have a problem with pointing out that Rodgers isn't as sharp as he might have been 3+ seasons ago, but I will be damned if I don't also point out the fact that he is not playing with nearly the level of talent in the way of receivers that he once had. There is no doubt in my mind that if Rodgers had the receiving corp that he had early in his career, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If nothing else, this season has proved (to me) that while Rodgers can help elevate a receivers game, the receiver has to have a solid base of skills to begin with. Hell, Greg Jennings might even be smiling. For all those that said "Rodgers made Jennings", I think its more fair to say that "Rodgers helped Greg improve on the talents he already possessed."
I’ve never understood the Jennings thing. Jennings was good with Favre as well. He may have done some things to sour people’s opinion of him, but he was a good receiver here with both Favre and Rodgers.
 

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What I find comical is that some of you don't see the fact that very few of us are saying that Aaron Rodgers is God and that he is making all of the passes he should be and the offense sputtering is strictly the receivers fault. Stop acting like Aaron Rodgers never made a bad throw during his career and that all of a sudden it is something new. Every QB misses a throw, every receiver drops a pass or misses a route. What has changed in the last 4 or so years is the drop in talent at WR and TE that Rodgers is being asked to work with. Look back at the Rosters since Aaron Rodgers became the starting QB and tell me that this season isn't the weakest one that he has been asked to work with. Also think back and remember what happened to the offense during games when some of his top receivers were injured.

Sure #12 has slowed down a bit and he likes to hang on to the ball too long sometimes (something he has done his whole career), but give him more talent to work with and I think you will be happier with the results.

I will ask my same question once again, but it seems like none of you want to answer it:

If the Packers put any of the following players on the trading block, what would they get in return?
  1. Allison
  2. Kumerow
  3. MVS
  4. Lazard
  5. Grant
  6. Graham
  7. Tonyan
  8. Lewis
  9. Sternberger

Jeff Janis.... :D
 
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Please don't turn this around and put words into my mouth that I am saying he sucks or is declining..

I wasn't mentioning you at all.

When Rodgers misses a wide open wr the draft position of the wr shouldn't come into play.

The wr did his part. Rodgers needs to do his.

He is the highest paid player and when the opportunity presents its self to him he needs to deliver..

majority of people here called "Tae" paddle hands and criticized him. Rodgers shouldnt be above criticism.

There's absolutely no doubt that Rodgers should hit an open receiver. The problem being that while that has definitely happened this season mostly receivers have had trouble either getting open or catching the ball.

you're being negative. criticism of the wr's isn't justified. it's also a slight on the talent evaluation by Gute and company.

There's a difference in criticizing a future HOFer for everything that hasn't worked on offense and mentioning the lack of talent at a position group.

He was though. Those 2 pinpoint passes in the SB - the 21 yard TD to Jennings in the second quarter and the critical 3rd-and-10 pass to Jennings in the 4th quarter - are passes very few other QBs could have made.

Rodgers was never among the league leaders in completion percentage though.

It's true he has completed a lot of tough throws during his career though, just take a look at the one to Kumerow vs. the Bears.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/receiving#average-separation

Graham has the second best average seperation of any receiver at 3.8 yards, Allisom and Adams are both in the top 25 and Lazard is top 50. The Packers as a unit get some of the best seperation in the NFL.

I waver in the debate over who's to blame, Rodgers or the receivers? I think the stats show it's more on Rodgers.

Those numbers are when receivers are being targeted. That doesn't say anything about them consistently being open.

I did some digging because I wanted to know what it meant as well. Now maybe I read the wrong information, but evidently each player has a chip in his shoulder pad that collects quite a bit of data. So the data being collected in regards to "average separation", is the separation distance of every receiver (from a defender), whether being targeted or not, on any given pass play when the QB releases the ball.

Again, I could have found incorrect information or misinterpreted it. But it seems to be a pretty misleading stat to me. A receiver could be 10 yards away from the nearest defender but not necessarily "open" due to the position of the defender or where Rodgers is on the field or in his progressions.

Always love when I watch a video dissecting a play and the person says "look, this receiver was wide open and he didn't pass him the ball". Sure, the Receiver was wide open if the QB had eyes in the back of his head, a birds eye view or the ability to freeze frame his vision one frame at a time and then reposition his body perfectly to throw 40 yds across his body and over 2 DL that are 6' 5" tall and bearing down on him. :coffee:

Actually, Next Gen Stats solely tracks separation for a receiver when being targeted.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/glossary

Therefore it's completely useless when talking about Rodgers missin

Add a FA and a 2 or 3rd round pick at WR, Add EQ back...TE group will be better too...no where to go but up.

I highly doubt the tight end group will be improved next season by default.
 

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Over threw Jones on a swing pass..and just now behind mvs
that's exactly what I'm.talking about..wide open and he throws behind.

Who cards if undrafted..or number 1.he needs to do better at those.

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@longtimefan

I totally get what you're saying. That's historically an "automatic throw" for an NFL quarterback. There have been a lot of drops this year too of course which don't help

But his regression is real.

Also getting a house in Malibu this past week i felt was inappropriate
 

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Over threw Jones on a swing pass..and just now behind mvs
that's exactly what I'm.talking about..wide open and he throws behind.

Who cards if undrafted..or number 1.he needs to do better at those.

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Please don't tell me rodgers isn't to blame on that right b4 the half
 

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I know that a lot of you will be tempted to put a spin on this game so far. Don't, it cannot be done.
 

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How many times will Rodgers overthrow a receiver (because he's terrified of interceptions) before some fans will start questioning his abilities?

Edit: What upsets me even more so is his lack of leadership. When Jones fumbled the ball last week he personally apologized to his teammates and owned his responsibility. When Rodgers misses a throw you just see him cursing out a coach/teammate.
 

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Unfortunately this is starting to look a lot like Favre during the end of his time here...

He's looked TERRIBLE the past few games

I totally understand dropped passes, new offense, lack of real talent at WR (outside of Adams), etc... but this is REALLY REALLY BAD

And this is when everyone KNOWS that the stakes are high. There should be no excuse for a letdown

Also, these have been INSIDE/DOME games. So the missed throws have no bearing based off weather...

I really think the FO should look into the QB of the future this upcoming year if there is a slide.
 

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No excuses since Rodgers has had stretches where he just looks off, but he is starting to heat up and for the Lions, this is their Super Bowl.
 

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It was Steph Curry and the kid dunked the ball successfully.

If it's the same premise, then you need to apply it similarly and not in the vacuum of one player doing something, since what we are talking about is a pass from one player to another.

How many times do you anticipate said HS Kid to be successful in that situation, in not just making the move, but receiving the pass before it and making the basket after it? Should his teammate, James Harden trust that this kid is going to do that every time down the court and pass him the ball each time or maybe based on all the failed times before this one success, James knows that it isn't much of a sure thing and focuses more on his other 3 teammates to pass the ball to or just takes the shot himself? Finally, does that one success against Curry make this HS kid an instant NBA star?

So yes, right now Aaron Rodgers has James Harden (Davante Adams) and pretty much H.S. kids as his receiving weapons. Anticipating one of those not named Adams to run his route perfect, get open and then catch the ball has not been what Aaron Rodgers or the Green Bay Packers have been experiencing this season. Should Aaron ideally always throw a perfect pass and hit one of those open receivers not named Adams? Probably, if he ran the right route, #12 actually sees him, has an open passing lane to him and Adams isn't available (tongue in cheek). Will that guarantee that the receiver being targeted catches the pass?

At least we see eye to eye on the level of talent at the receiver position. ;)
What say u about rodgers 1st half?
 

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I really wouldn't normally complain. We are 12-3 and that says something, but I'm getting concerned. Rodgers has made great plays. He's even made some this year. My concern is how often he misses anymore. He's behind guys, over throws, in the dirt, etc. I know these are going to happen, but it seems worse than normal. I still believe in our QB, but I see issues. I keep hoping he will shake it and return to old form, but I'm getting less confident. I know he is still our best option, and will be for awhile, but at some point there has been a change. We can't rely on comebacks and heroics. We need complete games.
 

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I really wouldn't normally complain. We are 12-3 and that says something, but I'm getting concerned. Rodgers has made great plays. He's even made some this year. My concern is how often he misses anymore. He's behind guys, over throws, in the dirt, etc. I know these are going to happen, but it seems worse than normal. I still believe in our QB, but I see issues. I keep hoping he will shake it and return to old form, but I'm getting less confident. I know he is still our best option, and will be for awhile, but at some point there has been a change. We can't rely on comebacks and heroics. We need complete games.
Well said
 

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Something is still up with AR though... on the interception, Kumerow had probably 2 steps on the CB and AR just flat out UNDERTHREW him.....

But i'll take him getting the quick throw to MVS and the side arm/weird angle screen pass to Aaron Jones any day
 

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