The 2019 Dantés Draft Thread

[Pokerbrat2000]

A FA at the position actually makes a lot more sense to me than a high draft pick. They are already really young at the position, and it would seem that Cobb's role as a slot/YAC weapon needs to be replaced immediately, rather than with a rookie who would need to grow into the role over time.

THIS **WINNER**

I think it would be a mistake to use any of the first 3-4 picks to draft yet another WR when what the group lacks is experience. Compliment Adams with a veteran slot guy and keep developing Allison, MVS, EQ, et al. for the other wideout. Use your higher picks on positions that are in greater need.

Rodgers doesn't need the distraction of a new HC, OC, playbook and a rookie WR, who do to being picked high in the draft, would be expected to be in the mix right away.

 

[gbgary]

Define 'keys guys'.

bakh, clark, a jones, linsley, and to a lessor extent king, j jones, williams. you don't want those guys seeing free agency. they all seem to hit the same year rodgers' contract gets stupid.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Well apparently three other posters can have their own, unique mock draft threads actually. It's just minte that gets changed for no apparent reason. It couldn't possible by that one moderator is petty and arbritrary, could it?

@Poppa San @longtimefan @Zartan @buggybill2003

Not sure what the issue is entirely but what I will say is this thread needs a retitle, as no mock drafts are being discussed. Further more this thread should be in Draft Talk. Not sure why nobody has caught that.

 

[Dantés]

Not sure what the issue is entirely but what I will say is this thread needs a retitle, as no mock drafts are being discussed. Further more this thread should be in Draft Talk. Not sure why nobody has caught that.

One person caught that! It was me... when I gave it a different title and had it in the draft section.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Yea I'm not sure why the multiple redirects as well. But I just post here....

 

[Dantés]

bakh, clark, a jones, linsley, and to a lessor extent king, j jones, williams. you don't want those guys seeing free agency. they all seem to hit the same year rodgers' contract gets stupid.

You have to bear in mind that the cap will be 10-12% higher in 2020 than it was for the 2018 league year. Obviously Rodgers' cap hit is large, but it's not going to prevent the Packers from keeping the players they want to retain. His last extension was huge too, and yet GB wasn't shedding loads of good players that they couldn't afford to keep.

 

[Half Empty]

bakh, clark, a jones, linsley, and to a lessor extent king, j jones, williams. you don't want those guys seeing free agency. they all seem to hit the same year rodgers' contract gets stupid.

OK, but I eliminate A Jones as having to prove he's physically able to carry the load, King to show he can stay healthy, J Jones to have a greater positive impact, and Williams to show he more than a decent RB. I was thinking along the lines of Bakh, Clark, and Lindsley as the only key guys coming up for new contracts that year, and only the top few centers make over seven figures, so I don't think there's much cause for concern. FWIW, that's the second year of AR's ridiculous cap hits.

 

[gbgary]

OK, but I eliminate A Jones as having to prove he's physically able to carry the load, King to show he can stay healthy, J Jones to have a greater positive impact, and Williams to show he more than a decent RB. I was thinking along the lines of Bakh, Clark, and Lindsley as the only key guys coming up for new contracts that year, and only the top few centers make over seven figures, so I don't think there's much cause for concern. FWIW, that's the second year of AR's ridiculous cap hits.

right...but being a Packers fan you want all the guys i mentioned to stay, or become, studs...right? that means the team is vastly better. if they do you have a problem. you'll want to renew them before the end of the 2020 season. 2020 is when rodgers' contract starts hurting. if they don't develop the current problem continues...not enough good talent.

 

[gbgary]

You have to bear in mind that the cap will be 10-12% higher in 2020 than it was for the 2018 league year. Obviously Rodgers' cap hit is large, but it's not going to prevent the Packers from keeping the players they want to retain. His last extension was huge too, and yet GB wasn't shedding loads of good players that they couldn't afford to keep.

rodgers contract alone will eat up a large portion of any cap increase. yes his last extension was huge too and what you got was a team that couldn't compete in free agency and (along with poor drafts) became mediocre...nfl purgatory.

 

[Dantés]

rodgers contract alone will eat up a large portion of any cap increase. yes his last extension was huge too and what you got was a team that couldn't compete in free agency and became mediocre...nfl purgatory.

I think "wouldn't" is more accurate than "couldn't"

 

[GleefulGary]

Great. Now we're talking about free agency in a mock draft thread that used to be about the 2019 draft prospects.


Thanks mods!

 

[Dantés]

Here is some of the latest from Dane Brugler...

Top 50:

1. N. Bosa, ED, OSU
2. Q. Williams, iDL, UA
3. J. Allen, ED, UK
4. R. Gary, ED, UM
5. G. Williams, CB, LSU
6. B. Murphy, CB, UW
7. J. Williams, OL, UA
8. E. Oliver, iDL, UH
9. J. Simmons, iDL, MSU
10. C. Ferrell, ED, CLEM
11. C. Ford, OL, OK
12. G. Little, OT, MISS
13. C. Wilkins, iDL, CLEM
14. J. Polite, ED, FLA
15. B. Burns, ED, FSU
16. D. Haskins, QB, OSU
17. M. Sweat, ED, MSU
18. D. Baker, CB, UGA
19. T. Hockenson, TE, IA
20. D. White, LB, LSU
21. N. Adderley, S, DEL
22. D. Jones, iDL, OSU
23. D. Matcalf, WR, MISS
24. N. Fant, TE, IA
25. K. Harmon, WR, NCSU
26. D. Bush, LB, UM
27. I. Smith, TE, UA
28. D. Jones, QB, DUKE
29. D. Thompson, S, UA
30. J. Jacobs, RB, UA
31. K. Murray, QB, OK
32. D. Lock, QB, MIZZ
33. T. Rapp, S, UW
34. M. Wilson, LB, UA
35. Z. Allen, ED, BC
36. J. Taylor, OT, FLA
37. A Dillard, OT, WSU
38. M. Brown, WR, OK
39. A. Brown, WR, MISS
40. J. Tillery, iDL, ND
41. D. Singletary, RB, FAU
42. N. Harry, WR, ASU
43. D. Lawrence, iDL, CLEM
44. M. Deiter, iOL, WISC
45. R. Ya-Sin, CB, TEM
46. T. Mullen, CB, CLEM
47. W. Grier, QB, WVU
48. K. Smith, TE, STAN
49. J. Williams, CB, VAN
50. R. Ridley, WR, UGA

Top 10 TE:

1. T. Hockenson, IA
2. N. Fant, IA
3. I. Smith, UA
4. K. Smith, STAN
5. J. Sternberger, TAMu
6. D. Knox, MISS
7. D. Sample, UW
8. I. Nauta, UGA
9. J. Oliver, SJSU
10. D. Raymond, USU

Top 10 OT:

1. J. Williams, UA
2. C. Ford, OK
3. G. Little, MISS
4. J. Taylor, FLA
5. A. Dillard, WSU
6. M. Scharping, NIU
7. Y. Cajuste, WVU
8. D. Edwards, WISC
9. T. Howard, AbST
10. D. Daley, SC

Top 10 iOL:

1. M. Deiter, WISC
2. G. Bradbury, NCSU
3. D. Risner, KSU
4. M. Jordon, OSU
5. N. Herbig, STAN
6. E. Jenkins, MSU
7. C. McGovern, PSU
8. B. Evans, OK
9. C. Lindstrom, BC
10. B. Benzschawel, WISC

Top 10 ED:

1. N. Bosa, OSU
2. J. Allen, UK
3. R. Gary, UM
4. C. Ferrell, CLEM
5. J. Polite, FLA
6. B. Burns, FSU
7. M. Sweat, MSU
8. Z. Allen, BC
9. D. Walker, UGA
10. A. Nelson, IA

Top 10 S:

1. N. Adderley, DEL
2. D. Thompson, UA
3. T. Rapp, UW
4. J. Abram, MSU
5. J. Thornhill, UVA
6. C. Gardner-Johnson, FLA
7. D. Savage, MAR
8. M. Bell, FRSU
9. M. Edwards, UK
10. M. Blair, UTAH

Latest Mock:

1. ARZ: N. Bosa, ED, OSU
2. SF: Q. Williams, iDL, UA
3. NYJ: J. Williams, OT, UA
4. OAK: J. Allen, ED, UK
5. TB: G. Williams, CB, LSU
6. NYG: D. Haskins, QB, OSU
7. JAC: D. Jones, QB, DUKE
8. DET: R. Gary, ED, UM
9. BUF: E. Oliver, iDL, UH
10. DEN: D. Lock, QB, MIZZ
11. CIN: G. Little, OT, MISS
12. GB: J. Polite, ED, FLA
13. MIA: C. Ferrell, ED, CLEM
14. ATL: J. Simmons, iDL, MSU
15. WAS: K. Murray, QB, OK
16. CAR: B. Burns, ED, FSU
17. CLE: B. Murphy, CB, UW
18. MIN: C. Ford, OL, OK
19. TEN: C. Wilkins, iDL, CLEM
20. PIT: D. White, LB, LSU
21. SEA: I. Simmons, LB/S, CLEM
22. BAL: M. Sweat, ED, MSU
23. HOU: J. Taylor, OT, FLA
24. OAK: D. Metcalf, WR, MISS
25. PHI: N. Adderley, S, DEL
26. IND: D. Baker, CB, UGA
27. OAK: J. Jacobs, RB, UA
28. LAC: D. Lawrence, iDL, CLEM
29. NE: D. Jones, iDL, OSU
30. LAR: D. Bush, LB, UM
31. KC: D. Thompson, S, UA
32. GB: N. Fant, TE, IA

An EDGE and a TE could be in play and could be a great idea, but I'm not 100% sold on the choices. I prefer Hockenson to Fant (as does Brugler, so it's weird that he gives us Fant), and I'm still sorting things out among the edge rushers. I think I prefer Ferrell.

So if we consider the pre-FA biggest roster needs to be OL, ED, and S, then the options in play according to Brugler would be:

• J. Allen, ED, Kentucky
• R. Gary, ED, Michigan
• J. Williams, OT, Alabama
• C. Ferrell, ED, Clemson
• C. Ford, OL, Clemson

Thats just one analysts opinion (albeit one I really like) and it's still January.

I would also say that if a plus value at iDL fell (e.g. Oliver) I would go for it despite it not being the biggest need.

 

[Dantés]

Great. Now we're talking about free agency in a mock draft thread that used to be about the 2019 draft prospects.


Thanks mods!

It will now go in all sorts of directions and then get locked for being off topic by the same person who unnecessarily moved it here.

 

[longtimefan]

Great. Now we're talking about free agency in a mock draft thread that used to be about the 2019 draft prospects.


Thanks mods!

So that would be like every other thread going off topic...and Everyone knows that's true.. Not sure why ******* are in a bunch for this thread. when mods mention its ogmff topic we get smoke..



So... What do you want this thread to be named as?

 

[Dantés]

So that would be like every other thread going off topic...and Everyone knows that's true

What do you want this named as?

What about "2019 Dantes Draft Thread" in the draft section where I started it?

 

[GleefulGary]

So that would be like every other thread going off topic...and Everyone knows that's true

What do you want this named as?

I would like it to be as it was originally named, back in the Draft Board where it belongs.

Dantes started the thread, he would know the name.

Thanks!

 

[longtimefan]

Done..

Now, gtf off my lawn.

 

[McKnowledge]

I find that scenario highly unrealistic.

Teams jockeying for the coveted top QBs aren't going to trade back, and 4 of the Top 10 teams in the Draft order could easily go QB, so they aren't going to make their chances worse to get their preferred choice.

The only other position that matters in the Top 10 is edge, so to trade up means a run at Allen or Bosa, nothing less.

Were Gute to swing and miss on a move so cavalier it'd be devastating to the team.

1) Arizona Cardinals
2)San Francisco 49ers
3) New York Jets
4) Oakland Raiders
5) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6) New York Giants
7) Jacksonville Jaguars
8) Detroit Lions
9) Buffalo Bills
10) Denver Broncos

I question whether any team currently in the top 10 draft position needs a QB outside of the NY Giants and possibly the Jacksonville Jaguars. I could see Green Bay dealing with Oakland, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville or Denver for additional draft capital. I don't think the Jaguars or Broncos will draft a QB based on the (self) perception they're viable playoff contenders.

A few teams like the Redskins (21), Bengals (17), or Dolphins might be interested in the Packers pick @ 11. Either way there is potential for movement to get more picks and/or players.

Swing or miss, the more chances you have to bat, the better the chances of making a hit. More draft picks improves the odds of improving the roster.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

I would also say that if a plus value at iDL fell (e.g. Oliver) I would go for it despite it not being the biggest need.

Oliver should be there regardless, we're in a 3-4 front. He projects as a 3T but he'll command double teams regardless where he lines up. Daniels is 6'0 310 and Oliver is 6'2 290. Pettine prefers his pressure inside so I'm sure he could make it work regardless, even if it meant 4 down linemen with Daniels, Wilkerson/Lowry, Oliver, and Clark.

 

[Dantés]

Oliver should be there regardless, we're in a 3-4 front. He projects as a 3T but if he'll command double teams regardless where he lines up. Daniels is 6'0 310 and Oliver is 6'2 290. Pettine prefers his pressure inside so I'm sure he could make it work regardless, even if it meant 4 down linemen with Daniels, Wilkerson/Lowry, Oliver, and Clark.

Yes, and we are in sub far more than 3-4 alignments anyways.

 

[brandon2348]

Rams:

• B. Cooks: 1st round pick via trade
• C. Kupp: 3rd round pick
• R. Woods: FA

Saints:

• M. Thomas: 2nd round pick
• T. Smith: 3rd round pick
• Assorted UDFA'S

Patriots:

• J. Edelman: 7th round pick
• C. Hogan: FA
• P. Dorsett: FA

Chiefs:

• T. Hill: 5th round pick
• S. Watkins: FA
• C. Conley: 3rd round pick

It's funny that for being this "new NFL" where you can only win if you build with tons of weapons, the remaining teams have a collective one receiver who was acquired with a 1st round pick.

It couldn't be that this idea is a pile of ********, could it?

Your clueless if you believe this as all three teams have spent way more capital building there offense "overall". Like Todd Gurley, Mark Ingram, Kamara as well as OL and adding talent in free agency such as Sammy Watkins and Josh Gordon most recently(I understand Gordon didnt pan out) but the Patriots are always adding offensive weapons.

You keep mincing my words which your real good at. I've posted the Packers need a "total overhaul" on offense. You want to bury your head in the sand to what's going on and fine.

Also, I've never said anything about picking P. Campbell at 12. I like him at 32 or trading back at 12 once or twice if we get Antonio Brown.

 

[brandon2348]

You are aware he plays in the PAC-12, right?

Oh wait...the SOFT-12.

Once again as I've posted I am okay with a player from the pac 12 but am very very careful. I happened to watch the Cougs a lot this last year because of my other thing I do and Dillard was a pleasure to watch. I like how he projects in a Packers offense.

The difference between me and some of you guys is I like to project players playing for the Packers and not just "overall grades". However, as Amish has posted it things can change now with all the coaching and potential scheme changes.

 

[GleefulGary]

If you can't find a way to make Ed Oliver work, you're a terrible coach.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

1) Arizona Cardinals
2)San Francisco 49ers
3) New York Jets
4) Oakland Raiders
5) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6) New York Giants
7) Jacksonville Jaguars
8) Detroit Lions
9) Buffalo Bills
10) Denver Broncos

I question whether any team currently in the top 10 draft position needs a QB outside of the NY Giants and possibly the Jacksonville Jaguars. I could see Green Bay dealing with Oakland, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville or Denver for additional draft capital. I don't think the Jaguars or Broncos will draft a QB based on the (self) perception they're viable playoff contenders.

A few teams like the Redskins (21), Bengals (17), or Dolphins might be interested in the Packers pick @ 11. Either way there is potential for movement to get more picks and/or players.

Swing or miss, the more chances you have to bat, the better the chances of making a hit. More draft picks improves the odds of improving the roster.

I quietly labled that cocky SOB Rosen a bust, and there is a small camp in Arizona who believes the same hence the trade rumors. Haskins is twice the QB he is, but that's just my opinion.

The Raiders have a football czar in Jon Gruden, he's been iffy on Carr all last season.

The Giants are an obvious given.

If Jacksonville is going to ride out with Blake Bortles yet again for another year then that GM needs to go packing immediately.

The Broncos have done everything but say that Keenum will not be the QB in 2020. A year for the heir apparent to learn the ropes makes sense.

You mentioned chances at back, for us to break into the Top 10 and especially the Top 5 we'd have to give something up, that means even LESS chances at bat. For instance just to move up to 10 we're talking our 12th Overall and probably both of our 4th Round picks. Outside of Allen/White/Oliver/Q. Williams not be available at 12, I see no need to move down.

 

[brandon2348]

Been reading a lot about Hockinson on various sites lately. It used to be all about Fant but lately I've been reading from a lot of anonymous scouts and such that it seems to be Hockinson that is pulling ahead of him.

Gotta wait until combine on him and if he runs 4.6-4.7 he will drop like a rock.