The 2019 Dantés Draft Thread

[brandon2348]

Let me add that I would love to be able to cash in on the opportunity if a Devin White falls to us at 12 but the reality is with so much failure picking defense and the volume of failure we just dont have that luxury right now and that's what sucks. If this draft gets screwed up chasing some "defensive wet dream" then it's over. Like over for many many years.

"PEACE"

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[Favre>Rodgers259]

Gotta bundle those two picks and trade up into at least the Top 5-10 range. See what's available and if nothing sticks out, trade down for more picks in the next or later rounds and future picks.

GB can leapfrog a QB or other positional needy team and hold them hostage for a haul. Similar to what the Colts did to the Chiefs in 2017 so Andy Reid could get Mahomes. The Colts completely rebuilt their O-Line and Defensive front 7.

I find that scenario highly unrealistic.

Teams jockeying for the coveted top QBs aren't going to trade back, and 4 of the Top 10 teams in the Draft order could easily go QB, so they aren't going to make their chances worse to get their preferred choice.

The only other position that matters in the Top 10 is edge, so to trade up means a run at Allen or Bosa, nothing less.

Were Gute to swing and miss on a move so cavalier it'd be devastating to the team.

 

[thequick12]

Brate is 5 years younger, cheaper and a better blocker. His playerprofiler ranks his athleticism close to Ertz so it's not like he has bricks in his shoes. He's 6 million dollars cheaper in 2019. He has scored 6 TD's or more in each of the last three seasons (out scoring Jimmy's paltry 2 this year).

In summary, there are several reasons he is an upgrade over Jimmy.

Not an upgrade. The Packers won't waste 6.8 million in signing brate if they are serious about winning. This draft class is strong for tes I'm sure they'll draft one relatively high

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Brate is 5 years younger, cheaper and a better blocker. His playerprofiler ranks his athleticism close to Ertz so it's not like he has bricks in his shoes. He's 6 million dollars cheaper in 2019. He has scored 6 TD's or more in each of the last three seasons (out scoring Jimmy's paltry 2 this year).

In summary, there are several reasons he is an upgrade over Jimmy.

While Brate had more touchdowns than Graham in 2018 he had less than 300 receiving yards. I definitely don't consider him an upgrade over Jimmy, especially considering the move would result in an additional cap hit of $1.7 million for next season.

yes if you want to try to redo him the same year as most of the other key guys and rodgers contract starts getting ridiculous.

It's possible to structure an extension for Bakhtiari ib a way to keep the cap hit lower as long as Rodgers is still with the team.

 

[AmishMafia]

Let me add that I would love to be able to cash in on the opportunity if a Devin White falls to us at 12 but the reality is with so much failure picking defense and the volume of failure we just dont have that luxury right now and that's what sucks. If this draft gets screwed up chasing some "defensive wet dream" then it's over. Like over for many many years.

"PEACE"

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I am sure that positions are favored more in the draft based on team improvement and not on trying to balance out picks by position.

We may be very surprised this season as we have a lot of changes on this team. New HC, new OC, a DC with only a year and now a new boss, and a 2nd year GM that we dont entirely have a handle on yet.

Could be the new offense needs quick shifty guys and our first 2 picks are Parris Cambell and Deebo Samuel. I doubt it, but my point is, they may need different types of players going forward. There may be some positions we fans think we are set at, but our current player may not be suited for his new role.

Tough year for the amish draft contest.

 

[thequick12]

The last time the Packers were "Great" they were I can tell you that much to start. For some reason we have forgotten who we are.

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And since you asked in the "New NFL" where rules have changed making it almost impossible to stop top offenses then yes it's very very important to be stacked at WR. Whether people like that or not is up to them but it's the truth. Add the fact that the Packers have a 35 year old franchise QB and it thickens the pot that much more. We have spent the better part of 5 years pumping the defense while throwing the offense a bone here and there and it's cost us big time.

Btw, I'm not just advocating for WR's but OL, RB and TE if possible as well. The whole operation needs an overhaul and hopefully Gute understands this and follows through.

That's a nice diverse group of weapons there and the Packers need to get back to that level on offense. And while I'm definitely in favor of trading that saints pick for AB if gute can swing it. And it sounds like he's gonna try as rapport reported that the Packers are expected to make an aggressive offer for Brown. I would not be in favor of drafting Paris Campbell in the first round however. I'm not against taking a wr as high as the 2nd round. I just think the better players available at 12 are gonna be defensive playmakers

 

[Half Empty]

yes if you want to try to redo him the same year as most of the other key guys and rodgers contract starts getting ridiculous. ryan's contract puts atl in nfl purgatory too.

Define 'keys guys'.

David Bakhtiari LT 27 6 480000004 yr$48,000,000 $12,000,000 $16,700,000 2021
GrahamJimmy Graham TE 32 9 300000003 yr$30,000,000 $10,000,000 $11,000,000 2021
LinsleyCorey Linsley C 27 5 255000003 yr$25,500,000 $8,500,000 $15,300,000 2021
TaylorLane Taylor G 29 6 165000003 yr$16,500,000 $5,500,000 $9,350,000 2021
ClarkKenny Clark DE 23 3 93616464 yr$9,361,646 $2,340,412 $7,185,058 2021
KingKevin King CB 23 2 70808844 yr$7,080,884 $1,770,221 $4,676,592 2021
KizerDeShone Kizer QB 23 2 49484164 yr$4,948,416 $1,237,104 $2,428,776 2021
JonesJosh Jones S 24 2 42334134 yr$4,233,413 $1,058,353 $1,218,846 2021
AdamsMontravius Adams DT 23 2 32767764 yr$3,276,776 $819,194 $744,776 2021
WilliamsJamaal Williams RB 23 2 29659924 yr$2,965,992 $741,498 $565,992 2021
JonesAaron Jones RB 24 2 26019374 yr$2,601,937 $650,484 $201,937 2021
BoyleTim Boyle QB 24 17160003 yr$1,716,000 $572,000 $6,000 2021
GreeneRaven Greene S 23 17135003 yr$1,713,500 $571,167 $3,500 2021
LightAlex Light G 22 17130003 yr$1,713,000 $571,000 $3,000 2021
CrawfordJames Crawford LB 24 17100003 yr$1,710,000 $570,000 - 2021
JohnsonMalcolm Johnson FB 26 3 13800002 yr$1,380,000 $690,000 - 2021
SimonDeon Simon DT 28 2 13800002 yr$1,380,000 $690,000 - 2021
SheldonBrady Sheldon OLB 25 1 13800002 yr$1,380,000 $690,000 - 2021
BaylisEvan Baylis TE 25 1 12300002 yr$1,230,000 $615,000 - 2021
MatthewsTray Matthews S 24 12300002 yr$1,230,000 $615,000 - 2021
de BeerGerhard de Beer T 24 12300002 yr$1,230,000 $615,000 - 2021
ReddingTeo Redding WR 24 12300002 yr$1,230,000 $615,000 - 2021
CoyleAnthony Coyle G 22 12300002 yr$1,230,000 $615,000 - 2021
ThompsonJason Thompson S 24 1 12300002 yr$1,230,000 $615,000 - 2021
CottonEric Cotton DE 10800002 yr$1,080,000 $540,000 - 2021
Daniels

 

[PackerDNA]

Yep, he is one of those prospects that could come out of the combine anywhere between 1-3 round.

Been reading a lot about Hockinson on various sites lately. It used to be all about Fant but lately I've been reading from a lot of anonymous scouts and such that it seems to be Hockinson that is pulling ahead of him.

 

[Dantés]

That's a nice diverse group of weapons there and the Packers need to get back to that level on offense. And while I'm definitely in favor of trading that saints pick for AB if gute can swing it. And it sounds like he's gonna try as rapport reported that the Packers are expected to make an aggressive offer for Brown. I would not be in favor of drafting Paris Campbell in the first round however. I'm not against taking a wr as high as the 2nd round. I just think the better players available at 12 are gonna be defensive playmakers

Nope, that's not allowed. It's been made quite clear that if you're open to anything but just happen to think the best value is on the defensive side, you're a blind fool who has been deluded into the idea that you should draft something other than wide receiver.

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[GleefulGary]

Whatever. Quit picking up my crumbs. I mentioned Dillard way before you even knew who the guy was.

You are aware he plays in the PAC-12, right?

Oh wait...the SOFT-12.

 

[GleefulGary]

Imagine thinking that a guy who runs a 4.2-4.3, and averaged 11 yards per reception in the Big 12 (not exactly known for their speed there) should go at pick 12.

He's fine in the 3rd. There are a plethora of WR's I would take sooner.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

While Brate had more touchdowns than Graham in 2018 he had less than 300 receiving yards. I definitely don't consider him an upgrade over Jimmy, especially considering the move would result in an additional cap hit of $1.7 million for next season.



It's possible to structure an extension for Bakhtiari ib a way to keep the cap hit lower as long as Rodgers is still with the team.

Brate was playing through an injury and was second on the depth chart to O.J. Howard. He was a red zone guy on a team that had a top 5 offense and would be relatively cheap. If our goal is to have a consistent vertical passing threat and red zone target, well good luck. There's about three of those in the league (Kelce, Ertz, Kittle).

 

[Dantés]

Rams:

• B. Cooks: 1st round pick via trade
• C. Kupp: 3rd round pick
• R. Woods: FA

Saints:

• M. Thomas: 2nd round pick
• T. Smith: 3rd round pick
• Assorted UDFA'S

Patriots:

• J. Edelman: 7th round pick
• C. Hogan: FA
• P. Dorsett: FA

Chiefs:

• T. Hill: 5th round pick
• S. Watkins: FA
• C. Conley: 3rd round pick

It's funny that for being this "new NFL" where you can only win if you build with tons of weapons, the remaining teams have a collective one receiver who was acquired with a 1st round pick.

It couldn't be that this idea is a pile of ********, could it?

 

[thequick12]

Imagine thinking that a guy who runs a 4.2-4.3, and averaged 11 yards per reception in the Big 12 (not exactly known for their speed there) should go at pick 12.

He's fine in the 3rd. There are a plethora of WR's I would take sooner.

Yeah I agree.
Dk Metcalf, AJ brown, Riley Ridley, Marquise Brown, then probably Paris Campbell would be my top five and I'd be cool with any in the 2nd and estatic with one in the 3rd. I do think the Packers add a weapon with that 2nd round pick. Whether it be one of those 5 wrs or one of the top tight ends. My top 5 list goes Irv Smith Jr, TJ Hockenson, Noah Fant, Albert Okwuegbunam, and Josh Oliver.
I do think giving Rodgers more weapons will be a priority moving forward

 

[Dantés]

Yeah I agree.
Dk Metcalf, AJ brown, Riley Ridley, Marquise Brown, then probably Paris Campbell would be my top five and I'd be cool with any in the 2nd and estatic with one in the 3rd. I do think the Packers add a weapon with that 2nd round pick. Whether it be one of those 5 wrs or one of the top tight ends. My top 5 list goes Irv Smith Jr, TJ Hockenson, Noah Fant, Albert Okwuegbunam, and Josh Oliver.
I do think giving Rodgers more weapons will be a priority moving forward

The WR position shouldn't be out of play at any point, but I agree that I'm not sold that anyone in this draft merits the 12th pick.

A FA at the position actually makes a lot more sense to me than a high draft pick. They are already really young at the position, and it would seem that Cobb's role as a slot/YAC weapon needs to be replaced immediately, rather than with a rookie who would need to grow into the role over time.

The value at TE seems more appealing, and the position is more needful. They will probably keep Graham for one more season, but he's not coming back in 2020. It would be ideal to have his replacement in process for at least one season, as TE is a notoriously slow developing position.

 

[thequick12]

Rams:

• B. Cooks: 1st round pick via trade
• C. Kupp: 3rd round pick
• R. Woods: FA

Saints:

• M. Thomas: 2nd round pick
• T. Smith: 3rd round pick
• Assorted UDFA'S

Patriots:

• J. Edelman: 7th round pick
• C. Hogan: FA
• P. Dorsett: FA

Chiefs:

• T. Hill: 5th round pick
• S. Watkins: FA
• C. Conley: 3rd round pick

It's funny that for being this "new NFL" where you can only win if you build with tons of weapons, the remaining teams have a collective one receiver who was acquired with a 1st round pick.

It couldn't be that this idea is a pile of ********, could it?

You definitely don't have to spend a first round pick to get quality weapons. They can be had in any round or through trade and free agency. But I think those teams you mentioned all have an abundance of weapons save for the patriots.
Rams: Cook, Cupp, woods, Reynolds, Everett, gurley
Chiefs: hill, watkins, Conley, kelce, Williams, and earlier in the year hunt
Saints: Thomas, kamara, hill, Smith, Ginn

So I guess I don't care how the Packers get em I just know that by adding another weapon or better yet 2 this teams offense would be really good again. That's not to say ignore the defense I'd say pay relatively equal attention to both sides of the ball.

 

[sschind]

The only 1st round pick in that picture plays QB... weird.

And only one was a day 3 pick. Equally weird?

 

[Dantés]

You definitely don't have to spend a first round pick to get quality weapons. They can be had in any round or through trade and free agency. But I think those teams you mentioned all have an abundance of weapons save for the patriots.
Rams: Cook, Cupp, woods, Reynolds, Everett, gurley
Chiefs: hill, watkins, Conley, kelce, Williams, and earlier in the year hunt
Saints: Thomas, kamara, hill, Smith, Ginn

So I guess I don't care how the Packers get em I just know that by adding another weapon or better yet 2 this teams offense would be really good again. That's not to say ignore the defense I'd say pay relatively equal attention to both sides of the ball.

For sure. And I'm in no way anti-WR in any round. As far as the order of importance of positions, it's in the top half.

But it's been over a year now that I've been listening to a particular broken record droning on and on about how the only way the Packers can hope to succeed is by drafting a WR (his WR, mind you-- not just any WR, and definitely NOT Calvin Ridley, who sucks donchya know).

So it's funny to me that only one receiver left in the playoffs was acquired with a 1st round pick. And that he cites the Packers' WR corps of the 7 years ago, composed of zero 1st round picks.

It's also important to note that what all of these offenses have in common, moreso even than perimeter weapons, is capable offensive line play. The Colts of recent years is a good case study in what happens when you try to build from the outside in. Ballard and ***** reversed that approach and have seen results very quickly.

 

[Dantés]

And only one was a day 3 pick. Equally weird?

Nope, not all. WR is important and should be invested in. And yet it's stupid to say that the only right answer is to lock into drafting it in the 1st round.

 

[OldSchool101]

Nope, not all. WR is important and should be invested in. And yet it's stupid to say that the only right answer is to lock into drafting it in the 1st round.

Just FYI. Sammy Watkins was the 4th overall pick in the draft... so that’s 3. Dorsett was drafted round 1 also.

I will say though that 2nd day is the honey hole for Wideouts IMO.

 

[Dantés]

Ok, I'm assuming I'm talking to @Poppa San

I try to reuse an old thread since you're so touchy about duplicates.

You lock it and tell me to start a new one.

I do so.

You then rename the new thread that I made at your direction and make it about something else.

What is your problem?

@buggybill2003 @longtimefan @Zartan

 

[Dantés]

Just FYI. Sammy Watkins was the 4th overall pick in the draft... so that’s 2

I will say though that 2nd day is the honey hole for Wideouts IMO.

Right, but I'm listing the way in which their current team acquired them. Dorsett was also a 1st round pick.

 

[GleefulGary]

Most of the talk in here isn't about a Mock Draft.

Whoever changed this should really change it back. I personally enjoy specific threads that contain specificities.

Why can't we have a thread for mock drafts, and a thread for draft discussion? They're two separate topics.

 

[Dantés]

Most of the talk in here isn't about a Mock Draft.

Whoever changed this should really change it back. I personally enjoy specific threads that contain specificities.

Why can't we have a thread for mock drafts, and a thread for draft discussion? They're two separate topics.

Well apparently three other posters can have their own, unique mock draft threads actually. It's just minte that gets changed for no apparent reason. It couldn't possible by that one moderator is petty and arbritrary, could it?

@Poppa San @longtimefan @Zartan @buggybill2003

 

[sschind]

I think WR is a need but not a top priority. I would put edge, OL,TE and S ahead of it. Any of these positions could be addressed during FA so it may change come draft time but I am not enamored with any of the FA WRs available. Moncrief, Tate, Brown and Funchess and Williams might be worth a look but I'm not sure they would fit what we need (primarily a slot WR to replace Cobb) Speaking of Cobb I am not 100% opposed to bringing him back but it would have to be a heck of a deal. I honestly do not think there is a FA TE worth pursuing especially with the idea that they will be our future starter. So on to the draft.

I definitely do not want to see a WR taken at #12 as I don't think there is one who is worth the #12 pick. Depending on who is available at #32 maybe but I'd rather see a TE than a WR. #44 certainly is a pick where there could be some value at WR but I'm wondering if Irv Smith might be available at TE at this spot? It doesn't look like it though. If Hockenson or Smith fall to us at 32 I wouldn't mind taking either of them and if we pass on them at that point I wouldn't be opposed to trading up seven or eight spots to get either of them. By the third round if we haven't picked up a FA or drafted a WR I will be getting a bit antsy. I don't like the idea of waiting for day three and hoping to get lucky and capture lightning in a bottle. We have three guys we are trying to do that with from last year and the jury is still out on them. I think they have earned a right to continue to show what they have (EQ and MVS for sure) and I don't think we have room for another one.

Would I trade #12 for Brown? No way. Plain and simple I'd be looking for someone who could possible provide a longer term impact. #32 I would have to think about it. Unfortunately it isn't going to be the case of lets see who is available and if we don't like it make the trade. The trade will be done long before then. Its a risk but he is a great talent. If I would know one of the TEs was going to be there at 32 I'd say no to trading it for Brown and I'd take the TE. At this point I'm going to say no but if Gute does decide to pull the trigger I'm not going to be upset about it. I would definitely consider trading the #44 pick for him.