Should the Packers look to trade HCD?

[thequick12]

In short? My answer is yes. He’s on the last year of his contract, he’s selfish on the backend, and he’s not coming back anyways. There are several potential suitors for him....

Pittsburgh
Kansas City
Dallas
Seattle
Oakland
New England
Tennessee

All these teams need safety help. Now Oakland has a stockpile of draft picks so I’d call them first. But I think at least 4 of those teams would be willing to give us a 2nd for him. Kansas City would have the capspace to do a sign and trade and so would Oakland. We could rebuild the safety spot by having 2 first rd picks as 2 second round picks easily...as well as fill some other holes like guard and OLB.

If you could get a 2nd for him I'd say that's a no brainer do it as fast as you can before they change their mind. That's way better than resigning him for too much or whatever compensatory pick you might get. But I don't think anyone would give you that I'd do it for a 3rd even I mean really when a guy makes comments like that he's ibviobvio not good for the team

 

[Packer Brother]

In short? My answer is yes. He’s on the last year of his contract, he’s selfish on the backend, and he’s not coming back anyways. There are several potential suitors for him....

Pittsburgh
Kansas City
Dallas
Seattle
Oakland
New England
Tennessee

All these teams need safety help. Now Oakland has a stockpile of draft picks so I’d call them first. But I think at least 4 of those teams would be willing to give us a 2nd for him. Kansas City would have the capspace to do a sign and trade and so would Oakland. We could rebuild the safety spot by having 2 first rd picks as 2 second round picks easily...as well as fill some other holes like guard and OLB.

So why would said teams you mentioned aquire him if the bolded is true?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The only way the Packers even would be remotely be considering trading HHCDIII by 10/30 would be if they felt this season was over or they had capable guys to take his place. I don't see either of those scenarios being the case.

So play out the year, see if he improves. If he plays much better, I wouldn't be opposed to resigning him, but I can't see paying the kind of money other teams would if he improves from here on out, based on what we have seen to date. Otherwise, just let him walk and see what it lands you for a compensatory pick. Remember, compensatory picks aren't a guarantee, it all depends on the FA signings that the Packers do on their end.

 

[Phazael]

With all his flaws, Dix is sadly the best DB we have at the moment. However, if the dumpster fire continues to spiral downward and it looks like we are in rebuild mode for a year or two, we should consider the option and just live with a year of breaking in rookie DBs. He has that whole AJ Hawk "just ok enough to not get cut" thing right now, so no one is going to trade big for him, though I could see him adding value to an on the cusp team like Tampa Bay or Miami.

 

[RRyder]

Haha has been our best safety by a mile this season. I don't understand all the hate.

The fact that any could disagree with this post is what's wrong with fans.

How could anybody disagree that Ha Ha has been our best Saftey by a mile and that we would create another huge hole by selling him off?

 

[Jerellh528]

“Right now, I’m playing each and every game like it’s my last. I don’t think I’m going to be here next year,” Clinton-Dix said Monday.



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[Mondio]

I'm not a fan of that attitude. I already had a feeling he cared more about Ha Ha than the team. He cashed it in last year, and he comes out and says that? He said he's auditioning for other teams. That's fine, you know others are watching, but you don't say it. I'm sure when the time comes to put the team first or make Ha Ha look good, what's he going to choose? He's already checked out of here.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

With all his flaws, Dix is sadly the best DB we have at the moment.

Maybe the best Safety (not DB) on the team, but that isn't saying much considering who he is being compared to.

IMO, the Packers are going to probably have to ride the year out with Dix, Jones, Brice, Whitehead and Greene, unless a capable FA or trade becomes available. Then hope along the way 1 or more of those not named Dix develops. If they don't, S becomes a priority in Free Agency and/or the draft. I'm still shaking my head that Gute allowed the position to get so thin and not even use a draft pick in 2018 on it. As much as i didn't like Randall, he would be doing a lot more for this team at S, then Kizer is doing.

 

[gemoran4]

My opinion is we shouldn't. But i'll go ahead and list the potential pros and cons that I can think of

PROS:
1) It appears as if contract negotiations might not be going well. If that's true, then he'll be a FA and gone after the season. Why not see if we can squeeze some additional long term value out of him?
2) He's been racking up INTs as of late, so this is kind of a sell high situation. Might be able to get him for more than what he's probably worth.

CONS:
1) His value, even if higher isn't all that much. If we are lucky (and maybe with some pick swapping) we can snag an extra 3rd or more likely 4th.
2) He's by far our best safety. If we trade him we're looking at possibly starting Brice and Jones together, or Brice and Whitehead. That's basically like starting Ladarius Gunter again in our secondary. I have zero interest in enduring that if I can help it.

 

[Half Empty]

I'm not a fan of that attitude. I already had a feeling he cared more about Ha Ha than the team. He cashed it in last year, and he comes out and says that? He said he's auditioning for other teams. That's fine, you know others are watching, but you don't say it. I'm sure when the time comes to put the team first or make Ha Ha look good, what's he going to choose? He's already checked out of here.

Aren't those who feel the other way in one of those 'world's shortest books'?

 

[Phazael]

Basic thing is we simply have too many holes to plug at the moment, so we either limp along and hope for a miracle or we cut some of the overpriced garbage (HCD and CM) and endure some rebuild time. The talent on the offensive side of the ball has not been this bare since right before Favre got the boot and that's where McGoof will put his priority (and always has and should, to maximize the benefit of AR). We have a lot of holes in this leaky boat and sagging defense is traditionally the hardest thing to fix, baring striking gold with a monster pass rusher.

Having said that, we should keep him on unless two things occur: First, it becomes inevitable that he will seek to be Free Agent next year. Second, the tailspin we are in gets worse and we need to go into rebuild mode.

Any other scenario, we need to keep him because he is our best secondary player (as sad as that is) and the market is really thin for them right now. We are likely looking at some development anyhow, since solid secondary players take a year or two to become reliable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Basic thing is we simply have too many holes to plug at the moment, so we either limp along and hope for a miracle or we cut some of the overpriced garbage (HCD and CM) and endure some rebuild time. The talent on the offensive side of the ball has not been this bare since right before Favre got the boot and that's where McGoof will put his priority (and always has and should, to maximize the benefit of AR). We have a lot of holes in this leaky boat and sagging defense is traditionally the hardest thing to fix, baring striking gold with a monster pass rusher.

Having said that, we should keep him on unless two things occur: First, it becomes inevitable that he will seek to be Free Agent next year. Second, the tailspin we are in gets worse and we need to go into rebuild mode.

Any other scenario, we need to keep him because he is our best secondary player (as sad as that is) and the market is really thin for them right now. We are likely looking at some development anyhow, since solid secondary players take a year or two to become reliable.

By "cutting" do you mean not resigning? Cutting Matthew or Dix at this point in the season saves us nothing, their pay is locked in. They are both Free agents at the end of this season, so the Packers are free to let them go.

 

[7thFloorRA]

He refuses to be physical for some reason. Watch him play, he shys away from contact and when he does make contact its extremely light and he just gets an arm on the guy. Football is not a passion for him it is a paycheck. I think he wants to get 1 contract and then will say he is hurt and leave the game completely to work in criminal justice which is his real passion with the signing bonus in hand.

I will not be upset when he is gone after this year but I wouldn't trade him for a mid to late rd pick....which is all you are realistically going to get if you get anything.

 

[PackerFanLV]

It’s crazy how Alabama players dominate in college then make it to the league and be regular as hell.

 

[PackerFanLV]

He refuses to be physical for some reason. Watch him play, he shys away from contact and when he does make contact its extremely light and he just gets an arm on the guy. Football is not a passion for him it is a paycheck. I think he wants to get 1 contract and then will say he is hurt and leave the game completely to work in criminal justice which is his real passion with the signing bonus in hand.

I will not be upset when he is gone after this year but I wouldn't trade him for a mid to late rd pick....which is all you are realistically going to get if you get anything.

Soft and he was known as a hard hitter at Alabama. He can’t tackle and he’s slow on the back end.

 

[ColoradoPacker51]

After seeing these comments from HaHa, it makes me think we lose him at the end of the year. And most of all it makes me look back and think we should’ve selected Derwin James in the draft this year at 14 when he fell to us. Granted I do like Jaire and all, and really hopes he turns into a top cornerback, but I can’t help but feel Derwin James is going to be one of those picks people talk about for a long time. We have to strike gold with our two numbers 1’s next year to stay relevant in this league. Here are his stats so far:

31 tackles
7 solo
3.0 sacks
1 interception

I think we look back and think we could’ve drafted him

 

[Dantés]

Absolutely not. He's their best safety in coverage by a country mile and they're looking to contend.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

100% we should trade him. This fake leader has always been about himself. Who the hell is he to talk down to proven vets like Peppers and Raji on the sidelines while trying to flex his muscles in a fight he would get his *** kicked in. Listening to ***** Clinton Dix talking up himself like he's the Rodgers of our defense is insulting to all of the fans. If a team gives us a 2nd or even a 3rd rounder for him now, we should do cartwheels. As far as this year goes I know he's still on the roster and there may not be great options behind him, but I think we'll be happier the day he isn't wearing the Green and Gold. Watch him avoid big hits this year like the entire 2nd half of 2017 because he's all about Ha Ha, not about the other 52 guys in the locker room. And if he's pissed off about not getting an extension before this year then f him. He quit once Rodgers went down last year to avoid injury. The team that gives him his next contract will be the real loser.

 

[OldSchool101]

I just see HaHa as someone's who just spoke the truth about his position and I respect that.

We all just saw what happened in GB this year with the likes of Jordy. When players see that type of turnover? They 110% get the message that they are expendable, there is very little loyalty left in this league and let’s be honest, it works both ways and that’s why we have to have contracts with beaucoup verbage protecting both parties.

Dix has been largely a successful Safety overall. However the Front Office was clear when they moved towards more speedy players. Dix (4.59) is average at best as far as speed and he doesn’t fit the direction of this administration going forward. He was serviceable over his tenure.. but I also think he’s outlasted his welcome. I don’t see him signing for a pay reduction (I don’t believe he sees this either) and that’s what I believe it will take.

We are missing a game changing, authoritative type player (like Earl Thomas) who also has the speed to cover up the mistakes of a young CB or LB. We have decent Cap space next year and I believe we will either bid on a FA and land one..or grab his replacement day 1 or 2 of the draft for a fraction of what he probably will ask for $. In the meantime we have a useful player who should get us through the 2018 year with adequate+ play.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

If you could get a 2nd for him I'd say that's a no brainer do it as fast as you can before they change their mind. That's way better than resigning him for too much or whatever compensatory pick you might get.

You have to consider that trading HHCD would significantly weaken this year's team though.

As much as i didn't like Randall, he would be doing a lot more for this team at S, then Kizer is doing.

True, but yet a lot of fans were overly excited about that move back in the offseason.

100% we should trade him. This fake leader has always been about himself.

I might be in favor of letting HHCD walk away in free agency next year but trading him right now doesn't make any sense.

 

[scotscheese]

“Right now, I’m playing each and every game like it’s my last. I don’t think I’m going to be here next year,” Clinton-Dix said Monday.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/madiso...077f0793-abe2-515b-acd3-7f2a26a53505.amp.html

i can't access that for legal reasons according to my browser, obviously that site has issues with data protection

 

[El Guapo]

I'm generally neutral about HHCD. He's been an average safety and only got the 5th year extension because of our lack of other talent at safety. He's not worth a new contract from us and says that he knows it. I have issues with him saying essentially that he is playing hard only to impress other teams for 2019. I'd rather him have some pride in himself and his profession. It's the least that we can all demand of ourselves in whatever we do in life.

HHCD is the Elmer's glue (not super glue) holding together our pass defense. We would be in a bad place for the rest of the season if we lost him to a trade. I'm not sure that we have another good option. Josh Jones wants to be on the field more but from what I've seen, he'd be even more of a liability in pass coverage than HHCD. We should not trade him but certainly let him go. I don't think he's got the mental attitude of a champion, and we need 52 of them.

 

[Ceodore]

i dont crush him for his comments acknowledging the truth. i also dont think we should trade unless we're a) calling it a season or b) have a suitable replacement, which i dont think is the case.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

True, but yet a lot of fans were overly excited about that move back in the offseason.

I was one of those fans who admittedly didn't mind seeing the Randall for Kizer trade. Two things I didn't know well enough at the time, Randall was better off being switched to S and Kizer (so far) is just a Brett Hundley clone. Randall's attitude probably sealed the deal for me as well.

If the Packers could have a "do over" along with an attitude adjustment from Randall, hindsight says we could use his services a lot more at S this year, than we need Kizer wearing #7, I mean #9 on the sidelines.

 

[swhitset]

I was one of those fans who admittedly didn't mind seeing the Randall for Kizer trade. Two things I didn't know well enough at the time, Randall was better off being switched to S and Kizer (so far) is just a Brett Hundley clone. Randall's attitude probably sealed the deal for me as well.

If the Packers could have a "do over" along with an attitude adjustment from Randall, hindsight says we could use his services a lot more at S this year, than we need Kizer wearing #7, I mean #9 on the sidelines.

Randall’s attitude was the biggest problem for me. I will say that I’m not convinced that Kizer is as bad as Hundley. That Bears game against Mack made him look terrible with those picks, but he did have moments where he looked like he had potential. He certainly is not Aaron Rodgers, but those two Rodgers turnovers deep in Detroit territory didn't look very “Aaron Rogersess” either. Unfortunately for Kizer, nobody wants to see him out there, but I will still withhold judgement on him.