Should Rodgers have left?

[brandon2348]

If AR wanted out of GB, the NFC Championship meltdown in Seattle would have been the time to call down the thunder because either he or MM would have been gone. He didn't and the team has not had anything resembling swagger since that disaster. Every year things get more tenuous than the last and the only constants left are MM, AR, and Clayfaker (he is a separate topic). So between the two, does anyone think AR is more likely the problem with this team? Or is it the guy who calls for a 56yd FG when his kicker is having a bad day to completely shatter the guy with the game in the balance? That's one example among many of the offensive comedy stylings of Coach Staypuff. The other recent one was abandoning the running game after two series when we were averaging 5ypc against the worst run D in the league. I guess AR audibles out of every run or something is the likely apologist line, but I am pretty certain given MMs track record of trashing other to save his own butt that he would have said something pad-level related about AR after these games.

The Seattle Champ game was a pivotal point but holding onto Thompson and Capers for far too long has been far more paralyzing with cumulative damage if you wanna get right down to it. Matthews should be long gone too and how he has managed to rip the Packers off is beyond me. "Worthless"

The reality is Aaron Rodgers is the only 1st round pick on the entire offense other then Bulaga(last pick in the 1st round). This offense is littered with a bunch of mid-late round picks yet every year people in droves on here and other places pound the table to pick more db's and defensive players ignoring the offense and having this attitude of we have Aaron Rodgers so were fine on offense.

Well guess what? It blew up in everyone's face and Rodgers got hurt and is still hurt and can't pull rabbits out of his *** on a weekly basis at the moment so we have a mediocre offense.

We could have a loaded offense right now with all this capital we've spent on db's etc etc and still be rolling. I want to leave the game in Rodgers hands and putting as much talent as possible around him rather then in the hands of young db's with no pass rush which is what they have done.

 

[Phazael]

Finley could not catch a cold in Lambeau in January and could not block worth a damn. Cobb was and is hit and miss. Jennings and Jones both are above average guys who AR got the most out of. Nelson and Driver were talented hard working guys and we also had RBs who could catch and pick up blitzes. Collectively, its probably the best receiving corps we have ever had since the two SB seasons in the 90s, but still lacked a quality tight end. I think you can trace the faltering of the offense to right around when Driver retired and some of the other passable guys moved up. We were left with Nelson as the only consistent one with experience, but one season of Brent Hundley was all it took for them to toss him off the roster, despite leading the corps every other season he played. This is the same sort of slow slide we endured when they let the talent fizzle out during the tail end of Favre's time here. Pretty sure AR is drawing that same comparison, at least privately, which is why he raked us over the coals for the cash despite knowing it means he will never get another top tier O-Line as a direct result.

 

[Phazael]

While I don't really acknowledge the subject of this thread, he stayed, he is here, going anywhere else didn't guarantee him squat, move forward.

What I am shocked at, is that I actually agree with Cow Turd for a change. If AR has one fault as a QB, IMO its his making his teammates feel like crap with his demeanor on the field. Rubs me as a fan the wrong way too. Yes Aaron you are one of the best all time QB's that ever played the game, but get over it. Plays don't always go the way they are drawn up, guys make mistakes and playing like you are disgusted isn't working for your teammates or to elevate your own game either. It makes you look like you have given up, whether you have or haven't. Why should your teammates elevate their games if it looks like you are checked out?

He has never been that guy (and frankly its one difference where he is superior to Favre as a result) and why would he really? Every player he has bonded with ends up getting traded almost immediately afterward and replaced with some late round economy pick. Plus the era of that kind of QB is over. It officially ended when Pey Pey and Favre hung it up. Rivers will be the last gunslinger lead by emotion QB to play in the league. And even those guys got a little distant (one would say jaded) near the end. The game is moving away from that and has been for a while.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Still not so sure why so many are convinced that Jordy was done producing, maybe this is why #12 is still so pissed off?

On a not so good Raider team (1-4), Jordy's 5 game stats:

20 catches on 28 targets.
317 yards for a 15.9/catch average
3 TD's

 

[swhitset]

Still not so sure why so many are convinced that Jordy was done producing, maybe this is why #12 is still so pissed off?

On a not so good Raider team (1-4), Jordy's 5 game stats:

20 catches on 28 targets.
317 yards for a 15.9/catch average
3 TD's

certainly respectable... on pace for another 1000 yard receiving season.

 

[Phazael]

I personally think we should have kept him and dumped the inconsistent and injury prone Cobb. Jordy led the team every year except for two. The first is the season he did not play and he had a career year the following season. The second was under the mighty passing attack of Brent Hundley. But its not like he is the first decent Packer we have let go to save a couple bucks on our enormous cap space, only to see perform at a high level for a good while on another roster. Jury is still out on Cook and a couple guys (Feast Mode and Jennings) needed to go. But Woodson, Nelson, and even Kuhn were all fan favorites who went on to do well with their teams when we could have just rode them out for a few bucks more. That's just off the top of my head and recent history, but the Woodson one is really egregious since we are not exactly known as a team with good DBs. I get that its a business, but sometimes you get what you pay for.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He has never been that guy (and frankly its one difference where he is superior to Favre as a result) and why would he really? Every player he has bonded with ends up getting traded almost immediately afterward and replaced with some late round economy pick. Plus the era of that kind of QB is over. It officially ended when Pey Pey and Favre hung it up. Rivers will be the last gunslinger lead by emotion QB to play in the league. And even those guys got a little distant (one would say jaded) near the end. The game is moving away from that and has been for a while.

Not sure what you mean by "he has never been that guy"? I'm not looking for him to be "a certain guy" a Cheerleader or an emotional butt slapper like Favre. What I was saying is that he has a character flaw and that is acting pissed, disconnected and emotionally void when the sh*t is hitting the fan. This isn't motivational play from the leader of your team. I don't see how people can say "well its just him and he has been great, so I over look it". Well guess what, when things aren't going the Packers way, Aaron himself isn't great and nor are his teammates. When they are going well, we don't see that side of Aaron and the offense can roll.

People want to look back at Favre and criticize him for his emotional gunslinger mentality that cost the Packers a few games, but that personality won the Packers a lot of games as well....it was his personality most of the game from start to finish. We only see this side of #12 when things are going bad and bad they usually continue to go.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

certainly respectable... on pace for another 1000 yard receiving season.

Especially at the price the Raiders got him for.

 

[brandon2348]

Still not so sure why so many are convinced that Jordy was done producing, maybe this is why #12 is still so pissed off?

On a not so good Raider team (1-4), Jordy's 5 game stats:

20 catches on 28 targets.
317 yards for a 15.9/catch average
3 TD's

Keeping Jordy wasn't a long term answer and wouldn't be a game changer for us. Drafting more weapons in the first two rounds other then just Adam's back in 2014 would of been.

 

[Phazael]

Competitive guys get pissed. I hear that Brady guy is pretty good and he is certainly not Mr Diplomat when things go south at the Evil Empire. And look, Favre is still the guy I prefer (he was more fun to watch and you could connect with the guy), but I totally get AR being technically superior and also being disconnected from things. With the revolving door at OLine and WR lately, how else can he get through the season? Plus the guy has to put the entire team on his back even more than Favre did. Now add to that having a coach who is actively making things harder and its a wonder he has not just gone full Denny Green at one of these pressers lately. Rodgers is a different guy, which has its perks and flaws. I don't fault AR for losing patience, because the clock is ticking on his window to get another ring before he hangs it up and avoid being "another QB with one less ring than Eli". Frankly, the guy is amazingly restrained all things considered.

 

[brandon2348]

Competitive guys get pissed. I hear that Brady guy is pretty good and he is certainly not Mr Diplomat when things go south at the Evil Empire. And look, Favre is still the guy I prefer (he was more fun to watch and you could connect with the guy), but I totally get AR being technically superior and also being disconnected from things. With the revolving door at OLine and WR lately, how else can he get through the season? Plus the guy has to put the entire team on his back even more than Favre did. Now add to that having a coach who is actively making things harder and its a wonder he has not just gone full Denny Green at one of these pressers lately. Rodgers is a different guy, which has its perks and flaws. I don't fault AR for losing patience, because the clock is ticking on his window to get another ring before he hangs it up and avoid being "another QB with one less ring than Eli". Frankly, the guy is amazingly restrained all things considered.

The Pat's and Belichick do whatever they have to do to get Brady offensive weapons and keep them coming. We haven't done the same for Rodgers.

End of story.

 

[Phazael]

Keeping Jordy wasn't a long term answer and wouldn't be a game changer for us. Drafting more weapons in the first two rounds other then just Adam's back in 2014 would of been.

We know Cobb is up and down, plus prone to get hurt (or as I like to call it the Clay Mathews Mid Season Vacation). Jordy is consistent and had good chemistry with AR. On an abysmal Raiders team with a QB in full regression mode, he is STILL on pace for 1000 yards. Cobb has had one good game, a dropfest game, and is now riding IR status. We could have kept him for a couple more years and been just fine (probably gotten a few bucks shaved off the AR contract as an indirect result), but instead here we are training a bunch of new guys no one has ever heard of that cannot ever get open..... again.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Frankly, the guy is amazingly restrained all things considered.

Maybe that is his problem? He thinks he is acting restrained, but his facial expressions and demeanor are telling a whole other story to fans, teammates and anyone watching. I would much rather see him yell, fire up a teammate constructively and release some of that anger, then look like the kid at the playground who pouts and takes his ball home because the other boys aren't playing nice.

 

[Phazael]

The Pat's and Belichick do whatever they have to do to get Brady offensive weapons and keep them coming. We haven't done the same for Rodgers.

End of story.

Brady also plays for less than his worth because his wife makes bank and he wants a line in front of him, but that's a separate discussion. I hate the Evil Empire, but that's a level of dedication to the game I have to respect.

 

[Phazael]

Maybe that is his problem? He thinks he is acting restrained, but his facial expressions and demeanor are telling a whole other story to fans, teammates and anyone watching. I would much rather see him yell, fire up a teammate constructively and release some of that anger, then look like the kid at the playground who pouts and takes his ball home because the other boys aren't playing nice.

His hands are tied until McChicken Nuggets finally gets run out of town, which might not even happen.

 

[PackAttack12]

While I don't really acknowledge the subject of this thread, he stayed, he is here, going anywhere else didn't guarantee him squat, move forward.

What I am shocked at, is that I actually agree with Cow Turd for a change. If AR has one fault as a QB, IMO its his making his teammates feel like crap with his demeanor on the field. Rubs me as a fan the wrong way too. Yes Aaron you are one of the best all time QB's that ever played the game, but get over it. Plays don't always go the way they are drawn up, guys make mistakes and playing like you are disgusted isn't working for your teammates or to elevate your own game either. It makes you look like you have given up, whether you have or haven't. Why should your teammates elevate their games if it looks like you are checked out?

Again, not that I disagree, but how is this any different from the last 10 years? This isn't new behavior.

 

[brandon2348]

We know Cobb is up and down, plus prone to get hurt (or as I like to call it the Clay Mathews Mid Season Vacation). Jordy is consistent and had good chemistry with AR. On an abysmal Raiders team with a QB in full regression mode, he is STILL on pace for 1000 yards. Cobb has had one good game, a dropfest game, and is now riding IR status. We could have kept him for a couple more years and been just fine (probably gotten a few bucks shaved off the AR contract as an indirect result), but instead here we are training a bunch of new guys no one has ever heard of that cannot ever get open..... again.

I'm not a huge Cobb fan and that money could of been spent better as well this year. For what it's worth I would take Jordy over Cobb too.

My main point being we were stuck paying big $ on two regressing receivers due to the fact we haven't really seriously addressed the position since 2014 and a 2nd round pick on Adams.

Instead it's been "DB Fever"

 

[Phazael]

Be thankful you weren't around for the Terrel Buckley or Eddy Lee Ivory years.....

 

[swhitset]

Brady also plays for less than his worth because his wife makes bank and he wants a line in front of him, but that's a separate discussion. I hate the Evil Empire, but that's a level of dedication to the game I have to respect.

It is another discussion ... but I’m really tired of people making the silly statement that Brady willingly takes less money because of how much his wife makes. Setting aside the fact that celebrity marriages rarely last... I highly doubt that Tom has direct access to any of his wife’s money.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Again, not that I disagree, but how is this any different from the last 10 years? This isn't new behavior.

Recognizing the behavior is the first step, deciding if its a good thing, bad thing or indifferent is the next step, but saying that it it has always been there doesn't make it automatically an acceptable thing does it? Besides 2010, how far did it take us? I would have to go back and look at some of our epic losses, but I imagine a few of them included some pouting by Aaron. With our roster getting younger, its about time #12 started removing this aspect of his game. Lead by example.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

His hands are tied until McChicken Nuggets finally gets run out of town, which might not even happen.

LOL..if you think a new coach is going to change Aaron a lot, I think you are looking in the wrong places. This change is on Aaron and only Aaron.

 

[brandon2348]

Be thankful you weren't around for the Terrel Buckley or Eddy Lee Ivory years.....

I was and came on in the Lynn ****ey days as well.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I want him to be around to give us the best chance we got.
On the other hand, I wouldn't blame him if he want to another team that may give him what he wants and needs right now. Better coaching and a better team.
Right now I just don't see us as the team to meet his needs except for money.

We already had a Colin Cowherd thread covering the subject. Maybe two.

 

[Firethorn1001]

If he wasn't getting upset and playing bad I'm sure there would be a thread about 'Why doesn't Aaron get mad and care!?!?'

 

[PackAttack12]

Recognizing the behavior is the first step, deciding if its a good thing, bad thing or indifferent is the next step, but saying that it it has always been there doesn't make it automatically an acceptable thing does it? Besides 2010, how far did it take us? I would have to go back and look at some of our epic losses, but I imagine a few of them included some pouting by Aaron. With our roster getting younger, its about time #12 started removing this aspect of his game. Lead by example.

Sounds great in theory, but I don't see Aaron changing his ways after 10 years. That's my point.

And let's be clear: his "pouting", or whatever, isn't the reason we've lost playoff games.