Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[PackAttack12]

Big Bob was a top 5 TE in the league last yr. Nobody can question that.... he needs a repeat performance to get in that discussion.

Top 5 in production and being a top 5 tight end are two totally separate things.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If it’s about money, he shouldn’t have signed that huge extension without performance clauses. He chose the guaranteed up front bonus knowing full well the back end gave the Packers options.

Bingo and probably the biggest part of my irritation with #12 and Pro Sports in general. He exacted (yes, I will use that word) as much as he probably could at the time of his new contract signing, which for all those keeping score, was much earlier than it needed to be. So to pull this sh*t of "I need to be rewarded and guaranteed more" with 3 years left is so f*cked up and self centered (not team beneficial) that it took a player that I have loved most of his career to finally snap me into saying "F you!"

Again, if what we are hearing is true and it seems the general picture is starting to look that way......Get over yourself Aaron, this is some self centered ego pampering, passive aggressive B.S. you are pulling. Step up to a mic, tell the fans, city and organization that you supposedly love your side and let us go from there.

If Aaron is truly some kind of victim here, then I will be the first to call for Gute's head.

 

[tynimiller]

ZERO words have been said on the record by Rodgers or released via any confirmed account (essentially applying his signature to it).

I blame the media for this **** storm - the organization has essentially on multiple fronts made it seem like much of what is out there is unsubstantiated or completely untrue. The ONLY person that can actually cast light on the situation is holding his arms crossed like a 4th grader in silence smiling most likely his smug smile about what a tailspin he can cast the organization and sporting world into.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

ZERO words have been said on the record by Rodgers or released via any confirmed account (essentially applying his signature to it).

I blame the media for this **** storm - the organization has essentially on multiple fronts made it seem like much of what is out there is unsubstantiated or completely untrue. The ONLY person that can actually cast light on the situation is holding his arms crossed like a 4th grader in silence smiling most likely his smug smile about what a tailspin he can cast the organization and sporting world into.

Exactly. I would add to this though. Both Aaron, the Packers and all of us know what the media does, this is nothing new. So I have stopped blaming them for any of this, because I have the ability to know that this is their standard mode of operation and it requires filtering and logical thinking on our part to get to the real facts. I don't like it, but it is what it is. So to your point, the Packers have spoken, it's time for Aaron to correct any of the discrepancies that the Media has made. If he doesn't want to, chances are he is just hoping to burn the whole relationship to the ground by doing nothing and its working.

 

[Mondio]

ZERO words have been said on the record by Rodgers or released via any confirmed account (essentially applying his signature to it).

I blame the media for this **** storm - the organization has essentially on multiple fronts made it seem like much of what is out there is unsubstantiated or completely untrue. The ONLY person that can actually cast light on the situation is holding his arms crossed like a 4th grader in silence smiling most likely his smug smile about what a tailspin he can cast the organization and sporting world into.

I don't think the Packers are in a tailspin. The world moves on, from all of us at one point or another. It keeps turning and life keeps happening. What's the worst case scenario? He leaves or retires? OK

He's good, really good and it would hurt on the field. At the same time, it's not like the rest of the team is going to quit. Even his "friends". They still have their families to think about and I think while all of them might be disappointed or surprised initially, they've all been thru losing players before and they still wake up and go to work.

Now I don't know what Love is, or will be. But I still think this TEAM is a 10 win team and likely playoff team with another QB that can play. They don't have to be Rodgers. They can't absolutely suck but with some pretty safe play we're still pretty good. No team is good if the QB just sucks, well outside of a Bears and Broncos team recently LOL

So while we may not be able to feel as good about a super bowl appearance, I don't think the world stops turning either. I don't think the players or the FO think it will either. They'll just get back to work.

 

[tynimiller]

Exactly. I would add to this though. Both Aaron, the Packers and all of us know what the media does, this is nothing new. So I have stopped blaming them for any of this, because I have the ability to know that this is their standard mode of operation and it requires filtering and logical thinking on our part to get to the real facts. I don't like it, but it is what it is. So to your point, the Packers have spoken, it's time for Aaron to correct any of the discrepancies that the Media has made. If he doesn't want to, chances are he is just hoping to burn the whole relationship to the ground by doing nothing and its working.

Yup, which is why Post June 1st I'm making a deal with Denver.

 

[GleefulGary]

ZERO words have been said on the record by Rodgers or released via any confirmed account (essentially applying his signature to it).

I blame the media for this **** storm - the organization has essentially on multiple fronts made it seem like much of what is out there is unsubstantiated or completely untrue. The ONLY person that can actually cast light on the situation is holding his arms crossed like a 4th grader in silence smiling most likely his smug smile about what a tailspin he can cast the organization and sporting world into.

He’s had every opportunity to deny it, or have someone say it it isn’t true.

The team president said it’s a situation they’re aware of and has been going on for months.

Now not everything in the media is true, but this isn’t some “media poopstorm”. This is very real.

 

[GleefulGary]

I’ve really avoided this so as to not make any “emotional” statements, but I guess here’s how I see it.

This is not a media creation. This is Aaron Rodgers doing what he does. He makes pithy comments, then tries to walk it back, but everybody knows what he’s doing. He’s intelligent. He’s manipulative. And it works, because he’s very good at football. Acting like Rodgers isn’t responsible is just being ignorant.


The Packers are not blameless either. Clearly there were, and possibly are, communication issues.

I have lost a lot of respect for Rodgers. I still believe he plays in GB this next year. GB holds all the leverage, and you don’t hold GB hostage. You cannot set that precedent. Maybe they’ll give him more money and more years, maybe they won’t, but his legacy and history in GB is forever tarnished. GB was good before him. They will be good after him too.

 

[El Guapo]

I can't believe that I am feeling good for a Bears fan, but thank goodness Danica Patrick got dumped by Rodgers. He's definitely manipulative in public and I would also assume so in private.

In college, I once sat in my off-campus house and watched as some nut ran from the cops, barricaded himself in the house behind ours, and then burnt it to the ground with him inside. The Rodgers situation seems similar. The stink lingers for a long time.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yup, which is why Post June 1st I'm making a deal with Denver.

OK...I need someone to explain to me "why post June"?

Maybe I am missing something, so I am looking to you for what that something might be.

My side of of doing it NOW is you will probably get more.

I see a post June deal as only allowing us to spread his cap hit over this year and next year, but not "saving" us any money. So my question if that is correct, why do we need more cap space this year if we are trading Rodgers? Without Rodgers, this team is in rebuild mode. I would rather see us start padding the cap account for 2022 and beyond. Even trading a few players that are probably only 1 year guys anyway, for draft pics and cap savings, if it makes sense (Preston Smith).

So I am not trying to be smart assy.....I am really curious why some are saying Post June makes more sense?

 

[DoURant]

Top 5 in production and being a top 5 tight end are two totally separate things.

Here's my Top 5 TE's and the next 5, both in no particular order.

Top 5 : Travis Kelce, Greg Kittle, Darren Waller, Mark Andrews, Zach Ertz

Next 5 : Jonnu Smith,T.J. Hockenson, Robert Tonyan, Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper

Consideration : Gronk, Cook (both getting older and have less impact )

If Tonyan continues to be an all-around TE, he's "not" just a guy with "Production", but lets face it, that's how NFL players are essentially evaluated, why can't he be in the Top 5 discussion?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

why can't he be in the Top 5 discussion?

Because nobody cleared it with A-Rod.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can't believe that I am feeling good for a Bears fan, but thank goodness Danica Patrick got dumped by Rodgers. He's definitely manipulative in public and I would also assume so in private.

In college, I once sat in my off-campus house and watched as some nut ran from the cops, barricaded himself in the house behind ours, and then burnt it to the ground with him inside. The Rodgers situation seems similar. The stink lingers for a long time.

I think one of us needs to take Danica out on a date and console her and being the super nice guy that I am.....I'm willing to do that for Packer Nation!

 

[DoURant]

OK...I need someone to explain to me "why post June"?

Maybe I am missing something, so I am looking to you for what that something might be.

My side of of doing it NOW is you will probably get more.

I see a post June deal as only allowing us to spread his cap hit over this year and next year, but not "saving" us any money. So my question if that is correct, why do we need more cap space this year if we are trading Rodgers? Without Rodgers, this team is in rebuild mode. I would rather see us start padding the cap account for 2022 and beyond. Even trading a few players that are probably only 1 year guys anyway, for draft pics and cap savings, if it makes sense (Preston Smith).

So I am not trying to be smart assy.....I am really curious why some are saying Post June makes more sense?

The spread of the cap hit, is a definitely a viable reason.... but it also gives us a month to hopefully resolve this pissing match. If it takes much longer than June 1st, and we are forced to part ways, the cap split gives us some relief to hopefully sign a backup QB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The spread of the cap hit, is a definitely a viable reason.... but it also gives us a month to hopefully resolve this pissing match. If it takes much longer than June 1st, and we are forced to part ways, the cap split gives us some relief to hopefully sign a backup QB.

We will get that relief from his salary. I just don't see the need for more cap space (using it in 2021) if Rodgers is traded or retired. In other words, I don't see us signing or getting a QB in any trade that gets us to the playoffs. So lets push all the cap we can forward to next season and beyond, as well as start accumulating draft picks. Without AR....we are in rebuild.

 

[DoURant]

Because nobody cleared it with A-Rod.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Thanks for clearing that up.

I think it has become a running joke with many Packer fans.

Q: "Why hasn't Gute taken a **** yet today?"

A: "Because Aaron hasn't weighed in on it yet."

 

[DoURant]

We will get that relief from his salary. I just don't see the need for more cap space (using it in 2021) if Rodgers is traded or retired. In other words, I don't see us signing or getting a QB in any trade that gets us to the playoffs. So lets push all the cap we can forward to next season and beyond, as well as start accumulating draft picks. Without AR....we are in rebuild.

The end game is to hopefully resolve the situation, after June 1st just gives the team other options. I don't think there is one correct answer at this point. Pushing more money to next year isn't healthy either, but whether Aaron is gone or not, a lot of guys on this roster will not be back, after this season.

 

[longtimefan]

No James Jones tweet..id like to hear what he has to say

 

[DoURant]

No James Jones tweet..id like to hear what he has to say

He seems to always know a lot....MAYBE HE'S THE LEAKER OF INFORMATION!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The end game is to hopefully resolve the situation, after June 1st just gives the team other options. I don't think there is one correct answer at this point. Pushing more money to next year isn't healthy either, but whether Aaron is gone or not, a lot of guys on this roster will not be back, after this season.

I am in the camp that this doesn't get resolved. Not because the Packers don't want it to, but because Rodgers ego won't allow it to. I think he has already drawn his line in the sand and if the trade demands are legit, he won't back off that. That line gets wider and wider every day that he allows this to continue too, which I think he wants.

Money is nothing but a statement to Rodgers at this point. It doesn't buy him anything that he doesn't already have or can't buy, but more of it in a contract makes a statement that "I am respected, values and the best at my craft". Well if the MVP award didn't say that and he continually needs further and constant validation of it, at the expense of the team and his teammates, then he needs to be shown the door.

He has already prepared his statement and it will sound something like this. "I have privately expressed my dissatisfaction with my situation with the Packer organization and felt we were at an impasse and asked for a trade, which would have been beneficial to both sides. So I have kept my mouth shut, to allow the Packer organization to do what they do best and work on things behind the scenes to facilitate that. I can't help it if they haven't come to terms with it, but it is what it is."

 

[DoURant]

I am in the camp that this doesn't get resolved. Not because the Packers don't want it to, but because Rodgers ego won't allow it to. I think he has already drawn his line in the sand and if the trade demands are legit, he won't back off that. That line gets wider and wider every day that he allows this to continue too, which I think he wants.

Money is nothing but a statement to Rodgers at this point. It doesn't buy him anything that he doesn't already have or can't buy, but more of it in a contract makes a statement that "I am respected and the best at my craft". Well if the MVP award didn't say that and he continually needs further and constant validation of it, at the expense of the team and his teammates, then he needs to be shown the door.

I too think the odds are slim he comes back, but I'm holding out some hope at the moment.

 

[tynimiller]

He has already prepared his statement and it will sound something like this. "I have privately expressed my dissatisfaction with my situation with the Packer organization and felt we were at an impasse and asked for a trade, which would have been beneficial to both sides. So I have kept my mouth shut, to allow the Packer organization to do what they do best and work on things behind the scenes to facilitate that. I can't help it if they haven't come to terms with it, but it is what it is."

To which if I'm Gute I'd state "Zero truth to the keeping mouth shut...backdoor leaks and purposefully timed leaking is far from being respectful to the process. The organization is as committed now to Aaron Rodgers as we were when we agreed to the extension making him on of the highest paid QBs in football history. That is not set to change until that contract expires and we fully intend to honor our side of things."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I too think the odds are slim he comes back, but I'm holding out some hope at the moment.

I haven't burned my #12 jersey yet for the same reason and in case they give it to Amari.

I wonder what would fix this in the minds of:

1. Rodgers
2. Front Office
3. Teammates
4. Fans
5. Media (who I don't give a flying F about, they will continue to run it)

Not sure if the Packers have a staff of "damage control experts", but they have to be hard at work if they exist.

 

[tynimiller]

To which if I'm Gute I'd state "Zero truth to the keeping mouth shut...backdoor leaks and purposefully timed leaking is far from being respectful to the process. The organization is as committed now to Aaron Rodgers as we were when we agreed to the extension making him on of the highest paid QBs in football history. That is not set to change until that contract expires and we fully intend to honor our side of things."

For the record that is what the petty side of me would say...my desire to not wreck the franchise would be to trade his *** and be pleasant to the media but clear it was never our desire to have a team without Aaron Rodgers as our contract stated.