Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Mondio]

I thought he was a FA, but I think GB will probably give him the opportunity to sign again and compete for a job.

 

[gopkrs]

As mentioned above, the Packers rank 27th in average LOS for the opponent after a kickoff. While you might have gotten the impression they have done pretty well in coverage they actually haven't.

You use all the stats to your advantage. For instance here, you are including the stats when they were not playing as well as they are now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You use all the stats to your advantage. For instance here, you are including the stats when they were not playing as well as they are now.

Agree, although I think it is fair to use the Stats over the entire season and not just cherry pick here and there. However, as you alluded to, things can change over the course of the season, in regards to strategies.

Also, what Captain isn't taking into account are a few things. The performance of the coverage unit. Early in the year, we gave up a number of long returns. Second, is the fact that balls can be returned out of the EZ, which we saw Nixon do on Sunday. So even if you have Crosby kick a lower ball and it goes into the EZ, it doesn't guarantee squat. As a matter of fact, if your coverage team sucks and its a line drive kick, chances are the return is going to be past the 25.

If you are a coach and you absolutely don't want balls returned, good luck finding a kicker that can 100% boot the ball out of the EZ every time. Otherwise, find a strategy that works. If your coverage team sucks, then heck, kick it real short or out of bounds, but find something that works. The Packers have discovered that if Crosby pops it up high enough and forces a return, their coverage team is pretty effective at tackling the returner for minimal gains and often short of the 25.

 

[milani]

Agree, although I think it is fair to use the Stats over the entire season and not just cherry pick here and there. However, as you alluded to, things can change over the course of the season, in regards to strategies.

Also, what Captain isn't taking into account are a few things. The performance of the coverage unit. Early in the year, we gave up a number of long returns. Second, is the fact that balls can be returned out of the EZ, which we saw Nixon do on Sunday. So even if you have Crosby kick a lower ball and it goes into the EZ, it doesn't guarantee squat. As a matter of fact, if your coverage team sucks and its a line drive kick, chances are the return is going to be past the 25.

If you are a coach and you absolutely don't want balls returned, good luck finding a kicker that can 100% boot the ball out of the EZ every time. Otherwise, find a strategy that works. If your coverage team sucks, then heck, kick it real short or out of bounds, but find something that works. The Packers have discovered that if Crosby pops it up high enough and forces a return, their coverage team is pretty effective at tackling the returner for minimal gains and often short of the 25.

All that should be taken into account. Ultimately, field position is paramount. One of the drawbacks of Ryan Longwell was that he did not kickoff long enough. It became more apparent in colder weather and put a lot of stress on the coverage team. And I believe touchbacks were placed on the 20 back then. When they let him go to the Vikings he acquired the luxury of kicking indoors half the year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

When they let him go to the Vikings he acquired the luxury of kicking indoors half the year.

Come on man, Captain proved that had no bearing on kicks!

 

[milani]

Come on man, Captain proved that had no bearing on kicks!

 

[milani]

Come on man, Captain proved that had no bearing on kicks!

You are right. Must have been that speaker system in the Dome that made it ******* kickers.

 

[Schultz]

You use all the stats to your advantage. For instance here, you are including the stats when they were not playing as well as they are now.

If only that was how it worked. The Pack would be 3-0 and a lock to make the playoffs if you didn't include the games when they were not playing as well as they are now.

 

[gopkrs]

If only that was how it worked. The Pack would be 3-0 and a lock to make the playoffs if you didn't include the games when they were not playing as well as they are now.

Well, my point was that when you have a decent Special Team; you don't have to kick it in the endzone. And the past few games have shown that. They really covered well against Miami. And so I think the stats are skewed against them because they were still pretty terrible at the start of the season. It really looks like the players are holding their lines and converging on the ball carrier. If it comes to kicking in the endzone and being a reliable field goal kicker; I'm going to go with the field goals. And with Mason we don't really have to wait and see about that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I thought he was a FA, but I think GB will probably give him the opportunity to sign again and compete for a job.

Most likely, the Packers would have to guarantee Crosby some money for him to re-sign. That would all but guarantee him the job in 2023 once again.

You use all the stats to your advantage. For instance here, you are including the stats when they were not playing as well as they are now.

Now you're just making things up to discredit the facts I provided. While the Packers had one of their best performances of the season on kickoff coverage against the Dolphins they struggled during the previous three games against the Rams (average starting LOS of 27.40 yards), Bears (31.50) and Eagles (29.86).

Agree, although I think it is fair to use the Stats over the entire season and not just cherry pick here and there. However, as you alluded to, things can change over the course of the season, in regards to strategies.

Also, what Captain isn't taking into account are a few things. The performance of the coverage unit. Early in the year, we gave up a number of long returns.

As mentioned above the Packers haven't done better in kickoff coverage as of late though.

Second, is the fact that balls can be returned out of the EZ, which we saw Nixon do on Sunday.

While that's true only 10 kickoffs from Crosby have been returned out of the end zone (with the last time happening against the Eagles), none of them more than three yards deep.

If your coverage team sucks, then heck, kick it real short or out of bounds, but find something that works.

It would be a terrible idea to kick it out of bounds as the opponent would start from the 40.

Well, my point was that when you have a decent Special Team; you don't have to kick it in the endzone. And the past few games have shown that. They really covered well against Miami. And so I think the stats are skewed against them because they were still pretty terrible at the start of the season. It really looks like the players are holding their lines and converging on the ball carrier.

Once again, as mentioned above there's no truth to the Packers having been better in kickoff coverage as of late.

If it comes to kicking in the endzone and being a reliable field goal kicker; I'm going to go with the field goals. And with Mason we don't really have to wait and see about that.

True, as long as the Packers don't ask Crosby to kick from 40+ yards he's pretty reliable

 

[milani]

Most likely, the Packers would have to guarantee Crosby some money for him to re-sign. That would all but guarantee him the job in 2023 once again.



Now you're just making things up to discredit the facts I provided. While the Packers had one of their best performances of the season on kickoff coverage against the Dolphins they struggled during the previous three games against the Rams (average starting LOS of 27.40 yards), Bears (31.50) and Eagles (29.86).



As mentioned above the Packers haven't done better in kickoff coverage as of late though.



While that's true only 10 kickoffs from Crosby have been returned out of the end zone (with the last time happening against the Eagles), none of them more than three yards deep.



It would be a terrible idea to kick it out of bounds as the opponent would start from the 40.



Once again, as mentioned above there's no truth to the Packers having been better in kickoff coverage as of late.



True, as long as the Packers don't ask Crosby to kick from 40+ yards he's pretty reliable

One truth that was not mentioned is the reason the NFL moved the kickoff line of scrimmage several years back. It was trying to reduce the number of returns thereby reducing injuries. Even the kicker gets hurt on kickoffs. The kickoff return is somewhat of a nonfactor in that most of a season most teams have a kicker with a leg that forces a touchback. The 25 yard line used to be the 20. And using another person to kickoff is an option teams have. While Gary Anderson was setting records in Minnesota Dennis Green used Mitch Berger to boom kickoffs out of the end zone. Before Don Chandler Lombardi used different players to kickoff to reduce the wear and tear on Paul Hornung and Jerry Kramer.

 

[rmontro]

The NFL is considering doing away with kick-offs because of the violent collisions and the injuries caused by said collisions when big muscular men are running 40+ yards at close to full speed at each other.

Considering how bad Green Bay's special teams tend to be, maybe that would be in our favor. But it figures they'd do it right when we get a guy like Nixon as a kick returner.

Im pretty sure the video is fake though

Still pretty amazing, because they did a good job on it. It's interesting that Crosby knew he was going to the Packers though.

 

[JPPT1974]

Really as great as a QB there, as a person really Rodgers is losing my respect. Will leave it at that.

 

[OldSchool101]

That means that kicking into the end zone on every kickoff would result in a better field position on average.

Before Keisean, I’ve also thought that the Packers might be better off taking the TB on a regular basis. Avoid a fumble etc. Now we have ourselves a bonafide KR

Packers' opponents starting position after a kickoff: 26.27 yards (27th)
League average: 25.35

Thank You.

If your coverage team sucks, then heck, kick it real short or out of bounds, but find something that works.

Seems the thing against a premier KR (Vikings) is bring in the big leg. We activated a 2nd Kicker again (Ahmed). Ahmed Kicks farther and more hang time

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's more than just your kicker, it's also your coverage team. Teams used to returns kicks out of the EZ against the Packers because the Packers coverage team sucked. On the flipside, teams were kicking the ball short of the EZ to the Packers, because the returner and other 10 guys sucked.

This notion of "just kick it out of the EZ", is not always plausible and sometimes not wise.

I've liked what both our kick and return teams have done this year. Bissacia and the players deserve some credit for the improvement.

 

[longtimefan]

From my cousin...it was his grandma

Dear Mr. Rodgers -

I am writing to say we are done, and in this case it is you not us. We are done with you for many reasons but the latest direct interaction with my family is a bit over the top. While out to dinner, a 71 year old grandmother took a quick picture of you to share with her 5-year old granddaughter as you were “her guy”. At which time your arrogance flared and you instructed to delete the photo while running your finger across your throat.

It is truly sad to see the man you have become. When you came into the league you had intentions to be the next Bart Starr, boy have you missed the mark.

Remember the reason you have what you have is because of the fans!

I appreciate wanting privacy but you also have chosen a profession that puts you in the spotlight, suck it up buttercup.

If you desire to not be seen by your fans perhaps reserve the private room, at your favorite restaurant.

I recommend you should take a look in the mirror and truly reflect on the man you’ve become.. verbally assaulting a 71 year old grandmother? And don’t worry there will be no more photos and you will no longer be my five year old daughters “guy”.

To be clear it is not “see you later”, it is “GOODBYE!”

Feel free to share and for fun don’t forget to take a photo. Shake my head!!

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I've liked what both our kick and return teams have done this year. Bissacia and the players deserve some credit for the improvement.

The kickoff coverage is actually worse than last season based on the average LOS after a kickoff.

 

[gopkrs]

The kickoff coverage is actually worse than last season based on the average LOS after a kickoff.

Again. The coverage team has been much improved lately. And I don't think it is only because they may have been playing against inferior return teams. They look a lot better.

 

[OldSchool101]

From my cousin...it was his grandma

Dear Mr. Rodgers -

I am writing to say we are done, and in this case it is you not us. We are done with you for many reasons but the latest direct interaction with my family is a bit over the top. While out to dinner, a 71 year old grandmother took a quick picture of you to share with her 5-year old granddaughter as you were “her guy”. At which time your arrogance flared and you instructed to delete the photo while running your finger across your throat.

It is truly sad to see the man you have become. When you came into the league you had intentions to be the next Bart Starr, boy have you missed the mark.

Remember the reason you have what you have is because of the fans!

I appreciate wanting privacy but you also have chosen a profession that puts you in the spotlight, suck it up buttercup.

If you desire to not be seen by your fans perhaps reserve the private room, at your favorite restaurant.

I recommend you should take a look in the mirror and truly reflect on the man you’ve become.. verbally assaulting a 71 year old grandmother? And don’t worry there will be no more photos and you will no longer be my five year old daughters “guy”.

To be clear it is not “see you later”, it is “GOODBYE!”

Feel free to share and for fun don’t forget to take a photo. Shake my head!!

This is not a remark to condemn because I’m fully guilty of both positions. Not a good look (for either side really) but I understand that frustration. Really a tough lesson maybe more because of such high expectations?
I learned an important lesson recently that is really difficult to grip.
We are not judged by other peoples inappropriate behavior. We are judged by OUR response to it. If we we react verses respond to those who present us unfair situations, we actually allow that negative behavior to take up residence inside ourselves. If we let the Sun go down in that negativity, only one that is affected is us (not Aaron Rodgers or anyone else) It’s a lesson I personally fought, but the truth does not back down on this one.
We have all been through increased stress the last couple years. Biblical in proportion and that’s no mistake! May God bless each of you and your families. He is a compassionate God and may we each admit our own shortcoming and thus in doing so, practice a little more compassion on others in 2023. I love each of you guys in here and don’t you forget it in 2023

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The kickoff coverage is actually worse than last season based on the average LOS after a kickoff.

That is why they play the game and just don't use statistics to determine a winner.

 

[longtimefan]

This is not a remark to condemn because I’m fully guilty of both positions. Not a good look (for either side really) but I understand that frustration. Really a tough lesson maybe more because of such high expectations?
I learned an important lesson recently that is really difficult to grip.
We are not judged by other peoples inappropriate behavior. We are judged by OUR response to it. If we we react verses respond to those who present us unfair situations, we actually allow that negative behavior to take up residence inside ourselves. If we let the Sun go down in that negativity, only one that is affected is us (not Aaron Rodgers or anyone else) It’s a lesson I personally fought, but the truth does not back down on this one.
We have all been through increased stress the last couple years. Biblical in proportion and that’s no mistake! May God bless each of you and your families. He is a compassionate God and may we each replicate him and practice a little more compassion on each other in 2023. I love each of you guys in here and don’t you forget it

Chives restaurant

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Flash back to the Aaron Rodgers of 2016, same restaurant....

Dream come true: Packers fan from New York meets Aaron Rodgers while out for dinner

Articles and videos about Dream come true: Packers fan from New York meets Aaron Rodgers while out for dinner on FOX6 News Milwaukee.

www.fox6now.com

 

[milani]

The kickoff coverage is actually worse than last season based on the average LOS after a kickoff.

I would like to believe that we kicked off more in 2021 than 2022.

 

[Schultz]

Flash back to the Aaron Rodgers of 2016, same restaurant....

Dream come true: Packers fan from New York meets Aaron Rodgers while out for dinner

Articles and videos about Dream come true: Packers fan from New York meets Aaron Rodgers while out for dinner on FOX6 News Milwaukee.

www.fox6now.com

His journey to becoming a complete ******** is now complete.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Again. The coverage team has been much improved lately. And I don't think it is only because they may have been playing against inferior return teams. They look a lot better.

That's simply not true. Aside of the game vs. the Dolphins the Packers' kickoff coverage unit has been worse over the past five games compared to earlier in the season. As I posted before in this thread the average LOS for opponents after a kickoff were above the season average against the Rams (27.40), Bears (31.50) and Eagles (29.86).

The same was true against the Vikings (30.43) yesterday.

That is why they play the game and just don't use statistics to determine a winner.

I never said anything about the Packers having lost a game because of them struggling in kickoff coverage. They're one of the worst teams in the league in that area and worse than last season though.

I would like to believe that we kicked off more in 2021 than 2022.

While that's true that doesn't make any difference when talking about the average LOS after a kickoff.