Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[U.P. Packfan]

MadCat, Who is it that you refer to when you say he has taken pay cuts? If you mean Cobb it is because he is a shell of the player he was in his original stint with the Pack. I think the only reason the Packers have him on the roster is to appease Rodgers. He has absolutely ZERO speed anymore. We need to move on from him to people who can still play the game.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

MadCat, Who is it that you refer to when you say he has taken pay cuts? If you mean Cobb it is because he is a shell of the player he was in his original stint with the Pack. I think the only reason the Packers have him on the roster is to appease Rodgers. He has absolutely ZERO speed anymore. We need to move on from him to people who can still play the game.

One might say the same thing about Big Dog (Marcedes Lewis). The reason not a lot of people are saying it, is because both Cobb and Lewis provide more for the team than just what you see in the stat sheets. Is Cobb a burner and a #1 WR? Heck no, but he isn't being paid like one and more importantly, until the Packers can improve the depth of the WR room, he is still probably the most reliable WR on the field.

I don't disagree with you saying that Cobb isn't the player he once was, but he can still play the game and he still has really good chemistry with Rodgers.

 

[Schultz]

I was with you until you said Cobb is still the most reliable WR on the field. I agree with everything else.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was with you until you said Cobb is still the most reliable WR on the field. I agree with everything else.

Statistically, he is.

Lazard: 46/77 60% catch rate
Watson:29/47: 62%
Doubs: 36/55: 65%
Cobb: 29/44: 66%

I also bet if you ask #12 who his most reliable WR is, Cobb would be the first name out of his mouth.

 

[OldSchool101]

Statistically, he is.

Lazard: 46/77 60% catch rate
Watson:29/47: 62%
Doubs: 36/55: 65%
Cobb: 29/44: 66%

I also bet if you ask #12 who his most reliable WR is, Cobb would be the first name out of his mouth.

Cobb is also a key component in O success while our QB gains chemistry with young players. I’d even consider giving him a final 1 year deal in 2023 if it’s on the affordable side.

 

[MadCat]

MadCat, Who is it that you refer to when you say he has taken pay cuts? If you mean Cobb it is because he is a shell of the player he was in his original stint with the Pack. I think the only reason the Packers have him on the roster is to appease Rodgers. He has absolutely ZERO speed anymore. We need to move on from him to people who can still play the game.

Yes, I was talking about Cobb. Shell or not, he can still make plays, and the young guys can use good veteran leadership from someone like him. I have no problem with him remaining with the team.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Like when I read things like this about #12.

Packers role player reveals helpful gesture from Aaron Rodgers

www.msn.com

 

[OldSchool101]

Like when I read things like this about #12.

Packers role player reveals helpful gesture from Aaron Rodgers

www.msn.com

He’s hugging players?! Boy he really is lonely
ps. Thought it was funny how Keisean was like “get away from me!” That’s hilarious

 

[MadCat]

Like when I read things like this about #12.

Packers role player reveals helpful gesture from Aaron Rodgers

www.msn.com

Nixon’s whole LR interview is on the Packers website. It’s pretty good.

 

[Schultz]

Statistically, he is.

Lazard: 46/77 60% catch rate
Watson:29/47: 62%
Doubs: 36/55: 65%
Cobb: 29/44: 66%

I also bet if you ask #12 who his most reliable WR is, Cobb would be the first name out of his mouth.

I will take Lazard's 1st down catch rate when discussing reliability. Your last line also makes me feel more confident about my opinion.

 

[rmontro]

He leaves before the 2023 draft. They trade him. That cap hit next year is too big his play is dropping off.

I'm not convinced his play is dropping off. True, his performance his down, but I tend to think that's a factor of his being injured and loss of talent on the offense. I also doubt that we trade him, barring some mood change from him and he demands to be traded.

Speaking of his play dropping off though, have you noticed Mahomes has passed him in all time passer rating? He used to own that stat, and his nearest threat was Russell Wilson, who is currently number four.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I really figured he would be back for one more year. He has always stated that he wanted to play till he is 40. I still think he will be back, but now I do have a little doubt. If Cobb, Crosby, Lewis and maybe even Bakh, are all gone, does he call it a career?

I don't think Rodgers decision is dependent on any of those players being back.

He leaves before the 2023 draft. They trade him. That cap hit next year is too big his play is dropping off.

Do you know that the Packers would take an additional cap hit of more than $8 million for next season if they trade Rodgers?

Would not mind keeping Lewis and Crosby if they want to keep playing. I have not seen a big downturn from either of them.

It seems Crosby has lost a lot of leg strength as he can't kick off into the end zone consistently anymore.

In addition he hasn't made a field goal from at least than 40 yards since the game in London anymore.

Time to move on.

 

[pacmaniac]

Speaking of his play dropping off though, have you noticed Mahomes has passed him in all time passer rating? He used to own that stat, and his nearest threat was Russell Wilson, who is currently number four.

Mahomes' rating should drop some in the back half of his career.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It seems Crosby has lost a lot of leg strength as he can't kick off into the end zone consistently anymore.

In addition he hasn't made a field goal from at least than 40 yards since the game in London anymore.

Time to move on.

Odd statement on your part.

The goal is not always to kick the ball into the EZ. The goal is to make the offense start from the 25 yardline or further back. Mason's pop-up kickoffs, with good coverage , achieved that really well today.

Meanwhile, the Dolphins kicker put the ball into the EZ quite a bit, how did that work out for them?

Oh and Mason was 4-4 on FG's today, with one coming from 46.

Your statement of him not making one from 40 yards since the Giants game is "gold". He has missed 3 all year.

3 misses:

47 yarder vs Jets (blocked)
54 yarder vs Dallas
55 yarder vs Bills

Yeah right Captain...time to move on from your favorite kicker!

 

[milani]

Odd statement on your part.

The goal is not always to kick the ball into the EZ. The goal is to make the offense start from the 25 yardline or further back. Mason's pop-up kickoffs, with good coverage , achieved that really well today.

Meanwhile, the Dolphins kicker put the ball into the EZ quite a bit, how did that work out for them?

Oh and Mason was 4-4 on FG's today, with one coming from 46.

Your statement of him not making one from 40 yards since the Giants game is "gold". He has missed 3 all year.

3 misses:

47 yarder vs Jets (blocked)
54 yarder vs Dallas
55 yarder vs Bills

Yeah right Captain...time to move on from your favorite kicker!

What is concerning is Nixon's groin. We need him for the Viking game.

 

[Pkrjones]

What is concerning is Nixon's groin. We need him for the Viking game.

Guessing we should have Bambi AND Bubbles work on him this week to get him back?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The goal is not always to kick the ball into the EZ. The goal is to make the offense start from the 25 yardline or further back. Mason's pop-up kickoffs, with good coverage , achieved that really well today.

While it's true that teams don't want to kick into the end zone on every kickoff Crosby is hardly capable of doing it anymore in the first place. His touchback percentage has dropped to only 21.9% this season compared to 54.9% over the first three seasons since MLF took over.

And before you mention that it might be Bisaccia who is asking him to not kick it into the end zone his kickers averaged 60.1% touchbacks on kickoffs from 2019-21 while with the Raiders.

Oh and Mason was 4-4 on FG's today, with one coming from 46.

Woohoo, he finally made another field goal from more than 40 yards. Let's sign him to an extension because of it

Your statement of him not making one from 40 yards since the Giants game is "gold". He has missed 3 all year.

3 misses:

47 yarder vs Jets (blocked)
54 yarder vs Dallas
55 yarder vs Bills

Yeah right Captain...time to move on from your favorite kicker!

The Packers don't even attempt long distance field goals for the most part anymore because they're well aware that Crosby doesn't have the leg strength to consistently make them anymore. It's time to move on.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While it's true that teams don't want to kick into the end zone on every kickoff Crosby is hardly capable of doing it anymore in the first place. His touchback percentage has dropped to only 21.9% this season compared to 54.9% over the first three seasons since MLF took over.

Again, you are assuming that because he doesn't, he can't. Have you talked to Bisaccia and Crosby, to find out what their strategy is? Seems to be working.

And before you mention that it might be Bisaccia who is asking him to not kick it into the end zone his kickers averaged 60.1% touchbacks on kickoffs from 2019-21 while with the Raiders.

Ah yes, he is going to do the exact thing with the Packers as he did with the Raiders. Different players have different talents, have you stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Crosby has the knack of kicking them high and just deep enough, to force a return? A return that with the right coverage, stops them short of the 25 YL? Seemed to be the strategy against the Dolphins, but what do I know.

The Packers don't even attempt long distance field goals for the most part anymore because they're well aware that Crosby doesn't have the leg strength to consistently make them anymore.

Source?

 

[Voyageur]

Again, you are assuming that because he doesn't, he can't. Have you talked to Bisaccia and Crosby, to find out what their strategy is? Seems to be working.


Ah yes, he is going to do the exact thing with the Packers as he did with the Raiders. Different players have different talents, have you stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Crosby has the knack of kicking them high and just deep enough, to force a return? A return that with the right coverage, stops them short of the 25 YL? Seemed to be the strategy against the Dolphins, but what do I know.


Source?

I gotta agree with Poker. The constant attacks against Crosby have been pure speculation. Unless a person knows first hand what the Packers expect of him, and are getting, why would this become an issue? I think the Packer brain trust is smart enough to know whether or not he's worth the contract he's getting. Let it go. There are real issues to consider, and NO! Rodgers is not one of them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I gotta agree with Poker. The constant attacks against Crosby have been pure speculation. Unless a person knows first hand what the Packers expect of him, and are getting, why would this become an issue? I think the Packer brain trust is smart enough to know whether or not he's worth the contract he's getting. Let it go. There are real issues to consider, and NO! Rodgers is not one of them.

It has become a yearly tradition for Captain to politic for the Packers to move on from Crosby. I think it dates all the way back to Crosby's rookie season?

While I concede that Crosby's leg is probably not as strong as it once was, he seems to be doing just fine this year on both kickoffs and FG's. He was also injured (back) midseason and has played through it. Actually, I am more disappointed with the 2 missed XP's. But like his blocked kick, who really knows who or what to blame on the misses (1 XP was blocked), although I am sure the coaches know.

 

[Mondio]

no problems with Crosby this year for me. He's aging, but he's not done. Next year again, he'll have to beat out competition to stay with the team. as it should be.

 

[thequick12]

Id like to see them get someone who represents "real" competition...I hope it doesnt bite us at some point this season yet but I do think captain is right. I dont think we'd even attempt a field goal from deep if we needed say a 53 yarder to win...don't think its a realistic option anymore

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I dont think we'd even attempt a field goal from deep if we needed say a 53 yarder to win...don't think its a realistic option anymore

Watch him in warmups, he can still kick 50+ yarders. Just because he hasn't been asked to, doesn't mean he can't.

The Packers can do what many teams do, bring in a young leg and hope and pray that the mental aspect of the game doesn't crush him.

I would put Mason out there to win a game on a 50 yarder, with 3 seconds left, over many kickers in the NFL.

 

[thequick12]

I hope you're right but it sure seems they been going for it instead of attempting those kinds of kicks this season

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

sure seems they been going for it instead of attempting those kinds of kicks this season

Much like I tried to point out to Captain, only the coaches probably know all the factors. Are they not trotting Crosby out there to kick a long ball, because he can't? Or are they going for it on 4th down due to other factors. Such as playing from way behind, wind, 4th and short is worth the attempt, etc.