Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[scotscheese]

There’s nothing wrong with wanting a clean environment and we are actually on the same side there. But what does this have to do pertaining to Rodgers or this discussion? I’m not making the connection at all how this pertains to any player being disgruntled? Also you don’t have to like someone to see they understand how to be successful. Like him or not Jerry Jones is far more successful than all of us put together. So pardon me if I think he’s a better businessman than say.. you.

We’ve got a case of our team leader saying he won’t play. Then further he’s emboldened other players to incite a mini-mutiny. I don’t think 90%+ of the players agree with that approach. If those few want to leave fine, nobodies stopping them. But when you start mouthing off or saying you want to work for the competition? (Davante Adams).
I honestly don’t know of any employer that would be acceptable with that (I believe that’s why Davante changed his tune real quick, he’s smart enough not to cross a very fine line and he was back at work keeping his mouth shut) The places I’ve worked would be waiting for an opportunity to dismiss me and I just don’t think 1 great employee or upper level manager is that special. We’re all disposable.

Im simply saying help them to the door. I’m not sure why anyone would feel that is so incomprehensible. I’d smooth help an employee to the door if they are ridiculing my company. (Ok ok.. Maybe send them home first to give them benefit of the doubt if they’ve had a good track record thus far, they are entitled to a bad day).

past that? If they are then going public (Aaron Rodgers) to say they don’t believe in our approach?? I’d consider that bordering on slanderous and dangerous to our organization. I don’t care what awards we’ve helped them achieve, they are dispensable once they put themselves above the team. You guys can defend that behavior anyway you want with opinions, but around the NFL this looks like what it is. Everyone always jumps on the “it’s just a business” when it’s convenient. But I can assure you (I’ve been in business for 36 years) that in the real world a business would strategize of way to get rid of you once you acted like Aaron Rodgers and I’ve been privy to those type meetings.
It is a business and the Packers produce a product and Wrong is still wrong.

What has Davante said about playing for thecompetition?
Isn't the issue more that Aaron hasn't gone public?

 

[OldSchool101]

I mostly don’t like his BS of “I love the fans, I love the city, I love you, I love you I love you” (blowing kisses).

Meanwhile, love is shown in works and this behavior is the antithesis of love.

I feel bad for my fellow fans, I can sense frustration and it’s not right what he’s doing to our emotions. He should be setting examples of how to rise above his circumstances rather than bringing everyone down to his level.

 

[OldSchool101]

What has Davante said about playing for thecompetition?
Isn't the issue more that Aaron hasn't gone public?

There’s been this little secret love affair going on with Carr. Touting a “reunion”. That’s not real normal behavior while your under contract and still have another season to play. I give him a first pass because Aaron’s got everyone frustrated.
This goes to show you how Aaron’s actions are messing with other team members. Really selfish Aaron doesn’t put an end to this ridiculousness.

 

[gopkrs]

I'm trying not to get too ticked off because I think i'm still going to be cheering for him as our QB this season. At least I hope to be as I think we have a good shot at things if he is.


I'm annoyed to say the least it's no resolved and without knowing details I'm trying not to get too annoyed. But on the surface, it seems like this is the "fault" of Rodgers. Maybe he has a personality conflict or something with someone, but you can have that and still do you job. From the fan's perspective on the team's obligations? They have a good team around him and they pay him well and they seem to take care of everyone and are pretty up front in their business dealings. Not sure I expect the team to do anymore than that with players.

So i'm trying not to get mad at Rodgers, but it's getting harder not to be for me.

Though it could be the best of both worlds actually. Rodgers comes back but Love got a lot of reps which has to be good for him. Probably one reason ARod did not come out great right away is that with Favre around, he never got too many reps. Some playing time in pre-season but not a lot of reps. And Love should get some time in pre-season this year. Looking forward to seeing what he looks like. For me, mostly how well he throws the ball.

 

[sschind]

There’s been this little secret love affair going on with Carr. Touting a “reunion”. That’s not real normal behavior while your under contract and still have another season to play. I give him a first pass because Aaron’s got everyone frustrated.
This goes to show you how Aaron’s actions are messing with other team members. Really selfish Aaron doesn’t put an end to this ridiculousness.

Ill bet if you asked pretty much any player in the league if there was a player on another team they would like to play with you would get the same answer.

These guys play 2 or 3 or 4 years sometimes with other people their age and they become friends. I'd guess that many of the friendships formed with college team mates are much stronger than some of those formed with pro colleagues simply because of the age factor.

Just because they are now on different teams doesn't mean those friendships end and just because a player says they would love to some day play with an old college team mate doesn't mean they are ready to jump ship or are even thinking about it.

Heck, given that it is Carr maybe what Adams really wants is for Packers to trade Rodgers to the Raiders for a haul that includes Carr.

It would not surprise me at all if deep down Adams would rather catch passes from Carr than Rodgers. Maybe he and Aaron are not as close as he says and maybe the thought of Rodgers leaving isn't as big of a deal to him as some people are already blowing it up to be.

 

[thequick12]

Funny how I actually knew you’d take the popular low road and stand on your fake pedestal to take an opportunity to attack Jerry Jones. At least you’re very predictable in your argument I’ll give you that.
People hate results when they don’t coincide with their opinion. You get the best results when you buck players (and fans) Petty opinions with truth. But the truth is life saving and brings out the best in players, even the ones who think their opinion reigns supreme over the universe. You know, the ones like The Aaron types. The universes revolve around Rodgers.

My opinion is in no way related specifically to Jerry Jones...I was trying to get you to explain the "logic" you used to arrive at that conclusion

Popular low road? Discuss...I'm not sure what you mean by this but if it has something to do with why the players were kneeling then no that's not the reason I arrived at my conclusion

Which is your employer should not force you into believing what they believe that's just weird...like seriously who does sht like that? I don't care which side of which spectrum you fall on

 

[thequick12]

That is an unfortunate way to go through life. I'm sorry.

Exactly and that's how the vast majority of people are forced to go thru life due to the way in which wealth is distributed

Now back to the topic at hand...do you truly believe the majority of nfl players don't just see this as their job?

 

[AmishMafia]

Exactly and that's how the vast majority of people are forced to go thru life due to the way in which wealth is distributed

Now back to the topic at hand...do you truly believe the majority of nfl players don't just see this as their job?

Class envy is a tool to spread hatred and control. So worried about what other people have, some are oblivious to just how high their standard of living is compared to the rest of the world and historical trends.



I don't believe most NFL players see themselves as just performing a job. It's too special and you have to be so athletically elite to see it as anything close to "just a job"

 

[thequick12]

Class envy is a tool to spread hatred and control. So worried about what other people have, some are oblivious to just how high their standard of living is compared to the rest of the world and historical trends.



I don't believe most NFL players see themselves as just performing a job. It's too special and you have to be so athletically elite to see it as anything close to "just a job"

Class envy is not at all what I'm talking about... I'm 100% for everyone being on the same team instead of fighting against each other. Divide and conquer is clearly a winning strategy if youre for an earth on which 99 % of the wealth/resources are controlled by 1% of the population...

Point is its a very small number of people who are truly greedy to the point that other people starve every single day...

For example the avg Amazon worker would have to work something like 64 years of 24 hour days to make what Jeff Bezos makes in one hour...

You can cry capitalism all you want but there's no denying that's just not what a person who knows the difference between right and wrong would do. Even if old Jeff gave his workers a raise so they only had to work 32 consecutive years of 24 hour days to match his hourly wage. That would be huge for the quality of life for a lot of people for a lot of kids growing up. And by my estimation Jeff would still be a really rich guy like ridiculously rich

As for the players I guess we disagree...I think you'd be surprised as to how many players view it as their job...it's most
You're adding the sentiment of a fan to it. Obviously there are guys who feel like you think most do but I believe most just think it's the easiest way to make the most amount of money in life they can

 

[Firethorn1001]

Aaron working the mental health angle now. "Was working on my mental health in the offseason" Removes criticism because I mean, how can you complain about him not being at camp. "He was working on his mental health you heartless jerks!"

This guy isn't as deep as he thinks he is.

 

[Spanky]

Why all the talk about Jerry Jones? Good grief. This is a Packer forum.

 

[AmishMafia]

Class envy is not at all what I'm talking about... I'm 100% for everyone being on the same team instead of fighting against each other. Divide and conquer is clearly a winning strategy if youre for an earth on which 99 % of the wealth/resources are controlled by 1% of the population...

Point is its a very small number of people who are truly greedy to the point that other people starve every single day...

For example the avg Amazon worker would have to work something like 64 years of 24 hour days to make what Jeff Bezos makes in one hour...

You can cry capitalism all you want but there's no denying that's just not what a person who knows the difference between right and wrong would do. Even if old Jeff gave his workers a raise so they only had to work 32 consecutive years of 24 hour days to match his hourly wage. That would be huge for the quality of life for a lot of people for a lot of kids growing up. And by my estimation Jeff would still be a really rich guy like ridiculously rich

As for the players, we disagree...I think you'd be surprised as to how many players view it as their job...it's most
You're adding the sentiment of a fan to it. Obviously there are guys who feel like you think most do but I believe most just think it's the easiest way to make the most amount of money in life they can

For players, I think most have to love playing football and would not consider it just a job like you or I would. But I don't know.

As far as wealth disparity, its all a part of a system. The super wealthy, wealthy, middle class, low income and, and the impoverished. You can't legislate equality without killing that golden goose. But you are looking at it wrong.

If Bezos dug a big hole to store his money, you would have a point. But he reinvests it. By his success, he must be smart, innovative, and hard working. He probably invests his money much better than most of us and in so doing, promotes the expansion of technology that in turns, raises the standard of living for all classes. The investments create jobs and more wealth not just for himself, but the company and its employees. This then creates greater tax revenues.

Compare this with the fight the rich with higher taxes option. It decreases jobs, innovation, and tax revenues. The poor get poorer. The statistics are all there.

Stop worrying about how much money rich people have and enjoy what you have. You have opportunities and a standard of living better than socialist countries. There is a reason for that.

 

[gopkrs]

Why all the talk about Jerry Jones? Good grief. This is a Packer forum.

I thought it started when OldSchool talked of JJ being an upstanding citizen and human being (imho) and I thought...well, I don't know the guy and just because he makes a comment about his players kneeling during the National Anthem does not mean **** to me. So I commented on that aspect.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I thought it started when OldSchool talked of JJ being an upstanding citizen and human being (imho) and I thought...well, I don't know the guy and just because he makes a comment about his players kneeling during the National Anthem does not mean **** to me. So I commented on that aspect.

I don`t recall him saying that at all.

 

[thequick12]

For players, I think most have to love playing football and would not consider it just a job like you or I would. But I don't know.

As far as wealth disparity, its all a part of a system. The super wealthy, wealthy, middle class, low income and, and the impoverished. You can't legislate equality without killing that golden goose. But you are looking at it wrong.

If Bezos dug a big hole to store his money, you would have a point. But he reinvests it. By his success, he must be smart, innovative, and hard working. He probably invests his money much better than most of us and in so doing, promotes the expansion of technology that in turns, raises the standard of living for all classes. The investments create jobs and more wealth not just for himself, but the company and its employees. This then creates greater tax revenues.

Compare this with the fight the rich with higher taxes option. It decreases jobs, innovation, and tax revenues. The poor get poorer. The statistics are all there.

Stop worrying about how much money rich people have and enjoy what you have. You have opportunities and a standard of living better than socialist countries. There is a reason for that.

Yeah I'm not for socialism and I agree with a lot of your points...but where I disagree is that the "working class" I guess is what you'd call it. I believe should definitely be paid more 100% without a doubt. Definitely not talking everyone the same

I'm just saying think about how much a Amazon worker makes per hour to how much Amazon makes off that hour of work

The bezos types could still be unbelievable rich and the people he uses to get that rich could have a much better chance at being healthy and happy if he just had a deal with his workers more like nfl owners have with the players union...money does not equal happiness but not having to worry about money constantly does wonders for one's health...stress kills isn't just a saying. And for most people their biggest stressor is worrying about how they're gonna pay for their kids to have food etc. A lot of thst could be alleviated if there was a slightly more even distribution of wealth between the working and ruling classes

 

[AmishMafia]

Yeah I'm not for socialism and I agree with a lot of your points...but where I disagree is that the "working class" I guess is what you'd call it. I believe should definitely be paid more 100% without a doubt. Definitely not talking everyone the same

I'm just saying think about how much a Amazon worker makes per hour to how much Amazon makes off that hour of work

The bezos types could still be unbelievable rich and the people he uses to get that rich could have a much better chance at being healthy and happy if he just had a deal with his workers more like nfl owners have with the players union...money does not equal happiness but not having to worry about money constantly does wonders for one's health...stress kills isn't just a saying. And for most people their biggest stressor is worrying about how they're gonna pay for their kids to have food etc. A lot of thst could be alleviated if there was a slightly more even distribution of wealth between the working and ruling classes

Well I agree, that it would be nice to redistribute the wealth. I just don't think there is anyway you can do that without killing that gold goose.

I think when you look at it, the money is reinvested 99%. That is money put back into the system for everyone. So everyone benefits from Bezos' success.

As far as a ruling class - we are already controlled by a ruling class. A few corporations who have a near monopoly on information and a slanted version of the accepted truth. This will be my last post on this topic as it will get too political.

One last example, San Diego voted to not financially support a new stadium. The prevailing sentiment was that citizens should not have to support a billionaire. However, the Chargers brought in an estimated $120M per year in tax revenues. The new stadium would have cost them less than $65M per year. The city, by the way, had a yearly budget greater than the owner's wealth. In order to not allow a rich person to get richer, the City of SD citizenry turned down a yearly income of $55M. It's mind-boggling to me that anyone voted against the stadium.

 

[thequick12]

Well I agree, that it would be nice to redistribute the wealth. I just don't think there is anyway you can do that without killing that gold goose.

I think when you look at it, the money is reinvested 99%. That is money put back into the system for everyone. So everyone benefits from Bezos' success.

As far as a ruling class - we are already controlled by a ruling class. A few corporations who have a near monopoly on information and a slanted version of the accepted truth. This will be my last post on this topic as it will get too political.

One last example, San Diego voted to not financially support a new stadium. The prevailing sentiment was that citizens should not have to support a billionaire. However, the Chargers brought in an estimated $120M per year in tax revenues. The new stadium would have cost them less than $65M per year. The city, by the way, had a yearly budget greater than the owner's wealth. In order to not allow a rich person to get richer, the City of SD citizenry turned down a yearly income of $55M. It's mind-boggling to me that anyone voted against the stadium.

Yeah that's just insane that you would allow a nfl team to walk from your city...gotta spend money to make money and that was as close to a sure thing as you'll ever get

And what are you referring to as the golden goose? The current system?

 

[AmishMafia]

Yeah that's just insane that you would allow a nfl team to walk from your city...gotta spend money to make money and that was as close to a sure thing as you'll ever get

And what are you referring to as the golden goose? The current system?

Yes. The economy is driven by desire for profit. Amazon had 20 or so angel investors to start with. The founder of intuit, a big dog at Microsoft, etc. All very wealthy and motivated, at least in part by potential success. I would argue that Amazon is an amazing convenience for the public. We all benefit for the increased quality of life. Even small businesses that use Amazon as a platform, benefit. Take away or even restrict profit potential and the desire for investment will decrease. Economy will suffer. Jobs lost. Poverty will increase. Etc. That is killing the Golden goose by trying to extract too much. Greed works both ways. One is good. The other is destructive. But in a democracy the masses get to decide the course of policy.

1/3 of those Americans under 25 think communism is a good idea. That to me is scary. And the main selling point is the disparity in wealth. We will suffer worse than USSR or China under communism because of the selfish attitudes of most of us. In China and Russia, 0% think communism is a good idea.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

As I said earlier. I’d have an impromptu meeting and make sure they understand it’s a 1 strike rule…, Id send everyone home, every last player and position coach. Going forward anyone that talks about playing for another team sits on the bench or is sent home and we respond by making a public statement that they will no longer be playing or working for us immediately (or anyone if they are under contract Eg Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams etc).

We should make it clear we are fully committed to them not showing back up to work any longer if that’s the case.

We need to start acquiring players who don’t spread cancer. I’d specifically call out Davante Adams by name, thumb pointed backwards at the open door and tell him this is his opportunity to leave for good if he wants to go. Go now and we are fully prepared for that to happen.
if he doesn’t want to play for the Packers he can take the year off, no stats, no contract offers here. We will have a zero toleration rule for players not fully committed and who by doing do, they indirectly being the entire team down in that manner. Anyone children going publicly against the Packer family gets taken out of the Will, so to speak.

Trust me here, respectfully let a few great athletes walk or sit them with no playing time or no future contract offers if they pull the media bit, but with a 1 time warning. Public comments about playing for other teams will no longer be tolerated, not even 1%.

Id then continue with the Queen Premadonna Aaron Rodgers and call and leave him a VM in front of the other players. Make it clear to him that IF he comes back? he’s benched as a #3 QB I’m serious as a heart attack.

We are about to sail unchartered waters. It’s likely a 1-2 year step backwards anyway. Cut the cancer and set precedent now while we’re in rebuild. We will 99% lose some children, but we will have the remaining men fully committed and with laser focus.

From my point of view, for someone who is so concerned about his legacy, he really scr#^@* that up with me.

 

[thequick12]

From my point of view, for someone who is so concerned about his legacy, he really scr#^@* that up with me.

What about when the Packers led by Aaron Charles Rodgers win the SB in 2021?

As for @OldSchool101, you're idea on how to run an organization is a recipe to turn the Packers into the Cincinnati Bengals...

 

[thequick12]

Yes. The economy is driven by desire for profit. Amazon had 20 or so angel investors to start with. The founder of intuit, a big dog at Microsoft, etc. All very wealthy and motivated, at least in part by potential success. I would argue that Amazon is an amazing convenience for the public. We all benefit for the increased quality of life. Even small businesses that use Amazon as a platform, benefit. Take away or even restrict profit potential and the desire for investment will decrease. Economy will suffer. Jobs lost. Poverty will increase. Etc. That is killing the Golden goose by trying to extract too much. Greed works both ways. One is good. The other is destructive. But in a democracy the masses get to decide the course of policy.

1/3 of those Americans under 25 think communism is a good idea. That to me is scary. And the main selling point is the disparity in wealth. We will suffer worse than USSR or China under communism because of the selfish attitudes of most of us. In China and Russia, 0% think communism is a good idea.

I don't think anyone thinks communism is a good idea...I'm not sure where that poll was taken but I know a lot of under 25 year olds and I know not one that is a fan of communism...

I'm not talking about killing capitalism...I'm talking about the people who are making guys like bezos so rich, stand up for themselves and demand better compensation for their time...

Amazon is very convenient and what allows it to be that way are all the employees... it's also a bigger more profitable business than the NFL yet the NFL employees(players) get like 47% of total revenue or whatever it is. What % do you think Amazon employees get? I have no clue but I'd venture to guess it's not more than 10%

I get what you're saying about the golden goose it's kinda like do you wanna sell your product at a high price point and sell less or at a low price point and sell a lot more. You gotta find that balance and bottom line for me 99% to 1% is not that balance...and I'm not sure how anyone could argue it is. All your points are valid certainly I'm just saying I think that's way to far in one direction and there's plenty of room there to improve the lives of the masses

 

[lambeaulambo]

I agree, the silence is ******* me off. I don't think he has to say much, but say something. I know there really isn't much to gain from it for him personally in terms of whatever it is he wants from the team, so I understand it to a point. But throw the fans a bone man, even if it is meaningless. Act like you care at least.

third camp...the camp that just wants AR to acknowledge the fans, so that all is forgiven, and then act like a spoiled primadonna and turbo lax the org...bravo!! How bout a 4th camp that says we dont want anyone that doesnt wanna play for the crown jewel of the nfl...

 

[lambeaulambo]

What you lack in 60s music appreciation you make up for in "cutting through the BS and seeing the big picture".

Well done, Sir!

he truly loves elton john...LOL

 

[AKCheese]

Rodgers putts like he throws inside the Red Zone in NFCCGs

 

[AKCheese]

I don't think anyone thinks communism is a good idea...I'm not sure where that poll was taken but I know a lot of under 25 year olds and I know not one that is a fan of communism...

I'm not talking about killing capitalism...I'm talking about the people who are making guys like bezos so rich, stand up for themselves and demand better compensation for their time...

Amazon is very convenient and what allows it to be that way are all the employees... it's also a bigger more profitable business than the NFL yet the NFL employees(players) get like 47% of total revenue or whatever it is. What % do you think Amazon employees get? I have no clue but I'd venture to guess it's not more than 10%

I get what you're saying about the golden goose it's kinda like do you wanna sell your product at a high price point and sell less or at a low price point and sell a lot more. You gotta find that balance and bottom line for me 99% to 1% is not that balance...and I'm not sure how anyone could argue it is. All your points are valid certainly I'm just saying I think that's way to far in one direction and there's plenty of room there to improve the lives of the masses

What Bubba fails to understand is that when huge corporations pay slave wages the rest of us make up the difference funding food stamps, subsidized housing, medicaid etc. Same with huge tax breaks for the wealthy. I’m very close to the 1% and my taxes are obscenely low.