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How much will the cap go up by the end of that deal? You know the Packers are factoring that in

How much will others players salaries go up as well? So you are going to dump or trade Cobb and Matthews to make room for Mack this year. He still will want to get paid next year and while the Packers are in better shape cap wise they do have their own free agents who will want a piece of that cap as well and if not they will need to get replaced.

looking at the Packers FA next year the highest paid ones this year are Matthews, Cobb, Wilkerson, Clinton-Dix, Lewis, Kendricks, Bell and House making over 1 million this year (around 37 million total) Most fans would probably say let every one of them go because they are not worth what they will make. OK so now you have to replace several starters and key backups. As long as you are fine with replacing them with cheap players then yeah all is good but if you would be hoping to get some mid to upper level talent to replace IMO them you are looking at paying the 8 replacements at least 37 million.

Then you have several players making less than 1 million who may be counted on to contribute and keeping them will cost quite a bit more than they are being paid (Kumerov, Byrd, Brice, Gilbert, Allison, Ryan) so that will eat into the cap even more.

I understand that the cap keeps going up but so do players salaries. It's not just the few guys who are making the big bucks its everyone. The more you pay just a few players the more critical it is to have good young players on cheap contracts contributing. Players like 2 first round draft picks. Trade them away for one of those guys taking a big piece of the cap and now not only do you have 1 more guy taking a bigger chunk of the cap you have two fewer young guys on cheap contracts who could contribute.

I get both sides of the argument and I would love a guy like Mack but I have said it before and so have many others. Mack for 2 first rounders? I could live with that. Mack for 20 million in cap hit? I could probably live with that. Mack for 2 first rounders and 20 million dollar cap hit? Thanks but I'll pass. Its just too expensive. I'd rather take that 20 million and look for a couple of 10 million dollar free agents next year to bolster a couple of positions and use the two first round picks myself. That's possibly 4 solid to very good players with the potential to be a lot more (yes the potential to be less is there but so is the potential for Mack to get hurt and we lose it all) vs 1 player who could get hurt . 4 for 1 I'll take the 4 even if the 1 is Mack.
 

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How much will others players salaries go up as well? So you are going to dump or trade Cobb and Matthews to make room for Mack this year. He still will want to get paid next year and while the Packers are in better shape cap wise they do have their own free agents who will want a piece of that cap as well and if not they will need to get replaced.

looking at the Packers FA next year the highest paid ones this year are Matthews, Cobb, Wilkerson, Clinton-Dix, Lewis, Kendricks, Bell and House making over 1 million this year (around 37 million total) Most fans would probably say let every one of them go because they are not worth what they will make. OK so now you have to replace several starters and key backups. As long as you are fine with replacing them with cheap players then yeah all is good but if you would be hoping to get some mid to upper level talent to replace IMO them you are looking at paying the 8 replacements at least 37 million.

Then you have several players making less than 1 million who may be counted on to contribute and keeping them will cost quite a bit more than they are being paid (Kumerov, Byrd, Brice, Gilbert, Allison, Ryan) so that will eat into the cap even more.

I understand that the cap keeps going up but so do players salaries. It's not just the few guys who are making the big bucks its everyone. The more you pay just a few players the more critical it is to have good young players on cheap contracts contributing. Players like 2 first round draft picks. Trade them away for one of those guys taking a big piece of the cap and now not only do you have 1 more guy taking a bigger chunk of the cap you have two fewer young guys on cheap contracts who could contribute.

I get both sides of the argument and I would love a guy like Mack but I have said it before and so have many others. Mack for 2 first rounders? I could live with that. Mack for 20 million in cap hit? I could probably live with that. Mack for 2 first rounders and 20 million dollar cap hit? Thanks but I'll pass. Its just too expensive. I'd rather take that 20 million and look for a couple of 10 million dollar free agents next year to bolster a couple of positions and use the two first round picks myself. That's possibly 4 solid to very good players with the potential to be a lot more (yes the potential to be less is there but so is the potential for Mack to get hurt and we lose it all) 4 for 1 I'll take the 4 even if the 1 is Mack.

Great point about while the cap may go up every year, so do all players salaries and demands for. So if you want to rationalize spending all the future cap increase on Mack because "it will be there", as you said, sure it will be there but now you just handcuffed yourselves that extra cap space you need to have to sign a quality player that today is commanding $6M/year and in 2 years will command $10M.

This reminds me of the decisions I had to make as a kid with my allowance every week. "Oh boy, I have $5 to spend!!!!! If I can convince my Dad to advance me 12 months, I will have just enough to spend on that awesome Packer flag for my bedroom wall. Flag looks great on my wall, but damn all the other kids are going to the movies every week.
 

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Great point about while the cap may go up every year, so do all players salaries and demands for. So if you want to rationalize spending all the future cap increase on Mack because "it will be there", as you said, sure it will be there but now you just handcuffed yourselves that extra cap space you need to have to sign a quality player that today is commanding $6M/year and in 2 years will command $10M.

This reminds me of the decisions I had to make as a kid with my allowance every week. "Oh boy, I have $5 to spend!!!!! If I can convince my Dad to advance me 12 months, I will have just enough to spend on that awesome Packer flag for my bedroom wall. Flag looks great on my wall, but damn all the other kids are going to the movies every week.

Yeah, but now that wall flag is 60 years old :whistling: and worth a hell of a lot of money. Meanwhile none of your friends can remember any of the movies they saw.
 

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Yeah, but now that wall flag is 60 years old :whistling: and worth a hell of a lot of money. Meanwhile none of your friends can remember any of the movies they saw.
LOL....smart ***! 60 years? LOL. I traded the flag for a pack of gum and a Tony Mandarich Rookie card!:tup:
 
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Here's a detailed breakdown of Rodgers contract. While I'm obviously glad he's under contract for another six season the Packers will take massive cap hits from 2020-22.

2018
Signing bonus: $57.5M ($13 million paid 10 days after signing, $37 million paid over the 17 weeks of the regular season and $7.5 million on Dec. 26)

Base: $1.1 million

Roster bonus: $7.8 million (10 days after league year start)

Workout bonus: $500,000

Total payout in ’18: $66.9 million

Salary cap number: $20.9 million

2019
Base salary: $1.1 million

Roster bonus: $13.4 million due on third day of league year (10 days after league year start)

Total payout in ’19: $14.5 million

Salary cap number: $26 million

2020
Base salary: $1.1 million

Roster bonus: $19.5 million fully guaranteed if still on the roster fifth day of the 2019 league year ($10 million 10 days after league year start, $9.5 paid over 17 weeks of regular season)

Total payout in ’20: $20.6 million

Salary cap number: $32.6 million

2021
Base salary: $14.7 million

Roster bonus: $6.8 million

Total payout in ’21: $21.5 million

Salary cap number: $33.5 million

2022
Base salary: $25 million

Salary cap number: $37 million

2023
Base salary: $25 million

Salary cap number: $25.5 million

Escalators in 2020

$100,000 if he plays in 72% of the snaps

$120,000 if Packers make divisional playoffs

$130,000 if Packers make the NFC championship game

$150,000 if Packers make the Super Bowl

$100,000 each if he’s in the top three in these five categories: passer rating, completion percentage, interception percentage, yards per attempt, touchdowns

cutting him would but not trading.

The Packers can't trade or release Perry as either move would result in the team taking an additional cap hit of $9 million instead of saving money.
 

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