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Sounds like a desperate apologetic plea to keep his job. "I swear I can change! Give me another year to prove it!"
 

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Sounds like a coach still unwilling to throw players under the buss for not performing and taking the heat like a coach and man of integrity would do.
 

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Sounds like a coach still unwilling to throw players under the buss for not performing and taking the heat like a coach and man of integrity would do.
While true, it still doesn't mean he should be anywhere near this team. Maybe players wouldn't be underperforming if he was a competent coach who was respected by his peers.
 

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While true, it still doesn't mean he should be anywhere near this team. Maybe players wouldn't be underperforming if he was a competent coach who was respected by his peers.
oh, he's respected by his peers. Now if it's the players that don't then we have a bigger problem than the coach. They can't be leaving that many plays on the field to be made and blame it on anyone but themselves. Change the coach, when things get tough if we have a group of guys blaming others rather than looking in the mirror, the results will be the same.
 

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oh, he's respected by his peers. Now if it's the players that don't then we have a bigger problem than the coach. They can't be leaving that many plays on the field to be made and blame it on anyone but themselves. Change the coach, when things get tough if we have a group of guys blaming others rather than looking in the mirror, the results will be the same.

Mike McCarthy is a well respected coach. Respected by his peers and most players. He is a man of integrity. He has values. He is one of three coaches to bring home the Lombardi trophy to its rightful home. His legacy in Green Bay is secured.

He is also loyal to a fault.

His loyalty has failed him on two fronts. With a resume like McCarthy's, he has continually been loyal to players and coaches to the team's detriment.

1) A person can "fall on the sword" so many times that eventually they'll become the scapegoat for everything that is wrong. Playing the martyr backfires and instead of respect, you get apathy. This has happened to McCarthy. A lot of coaches both past and present from McCarthy's staff are, and have been mediocre. Its a system of who you know and not what you know. Taking chances on coaches instead of hiring coaches that perform up to standard is McCarthy's M.O.

2) A coach has a lot influence on personnel, he is coaching them, and interacting with them on a daily basis. When free agency comes around, and the coach keeps sticking up for his guys, it allows a team to get stagnant. Especially when the players are well past their prime (i.e. Matthews, Cobb, Bulaga). Not speaking up and giving constructive input on team construction is a self inflicted wound. Also, holding onto players that know everything you will say and do is a recipe for disaster. Familiarity breeds contempt. Rookies and players looking at the older vets questioning the coach's direction leads to doubt and that has clearly shown up in the team's play. McCarthy's message has grown stale like his philosophy on football. A change is needed.
 

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Rookies and players looking at the older vets questioning the coach's direction leads to doubt and that has clearly shown up in the team's play. McCarthy's message has grown stale like his philosophy on football. A change is needed.
Here's the thing though, make the change, change them all. Every coach gone, all new. If the vets don't buy into that program then what? We have bigger problems if the issue is players not buying the system. Especially with the amount of plays being left on the field every week. Once you're on the field, it's on the players. and they've been put in positions to win more than a couple games this year that we ended up losing. They need to look in a mirror.

A "new" message only works for so long, then it's about what it's always about. Hard work, execution and getting back up to do it again. It took 2-3 years for every good WR we've had here in the past decade + to get it. this year we have 1 guy in the passing game that knows this offense and even with that, there are plays to be made, BIG ones, that aren't. We need some new players, we need some young players to get better.

or we can get them all new, and deal with the learning curve. What if it's Rodgers that only has a certain way of doing things?
 

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Here's the thing though, make the change, change them all. Every coach gone, all new. If the vets don't buy into that program then what? We have bigger problems if the issue is players not buying the system. Especially with the amount of plays being left on the field every week. Once you're on the field, it's on the players. and they've been put in positions to win more than a couple games this year that we ended up losing. They need to look in a mirror.

A "new" message only works for so long, then it's about what it's always about. Hard work, execution and getting back up to do it again. It took 2-3 years for every good WR we've had here in the past decade + to get it. this year we have 1 guy in the passing game that knows this offense and even with that, there are plays to be made, BIG ones, that aren't. We need some new players, we need some young players to get better.

or we can get them all new, and deal with the learning curve. What if it's Rodgers that only has a certain way of doing things?
Your last sentence has been something I have felt for a long time now. Nobody wants to seriously look that way because of his talent. Unfortunately if that is the case, we have a big problem.
 

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this is why i think if they're going to fire him just do now and don't let him dangle out there. he doesn't deserve that. he's already getting questions about job security. this is going to be weighing on him and ruin his family's christmas. just do it now and save him/them the stress. they'll write him a big check, thank him for his service, and send him away with all that trouble lifted off his shoulders.
 

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AR - "I need to play better"
MM - I need to coach better"

Who's next?

Zook- "I need to do everything better"
Cobb- "I need to stay on the field better"
Spriggs- "I need to pass protect better"
Clay- "I need to know how to play for those read options better"
 

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Here's the thing though, make the change, change them all. Every coach gone, all new. If the vets don't buy into that program then what? We have bigger problems if the issue is players not buying the system. Especially with the amount of plays being left on the field every week. Once you're on the field, it's on the players. and they've been put in positions to win more than a couple games this year that we ended up losing. They need to look in a mirror.

A "new" message only works for so long, then it's about what it's always about. Hard work, execution and getting back up to do it again. It took 2-3 years for every good WR we've had here in the past decade + to get it. this year we have 1 guy in the passing game that knows this offense and even with that, there are plays to be made, BIG ones, that aren't. We need some new players, we need some young players to get better.

or we can get them all new, and deal with the learning curve. What if it's Rodgers that only has a certain way of doing things?

The players execute the game plan that the coaches implement. Last Sunday against Minnesota, McCarthy ran Aaron Jones into a 9 man box on 4th inches, everyone knew that play was going to fail. The blame is 50/50. The NFL doesn't officially allow for player/coach roles on teams. The players execute, trusting that their coaches are putting them into favorable situations. This is where the military analogy is most accurate. Soldiers fight according to the strategy and direction of leadership.
 

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The players execute the game plan that the coaches implement. Last Sunday against Minnesota, McCarthy ran Aaron Jones into a 9 man box on 4th inches, everyone knew that play was going to fail. The blame is 50/50. The NFL doesn't officially allow for player/coach roles on teams. The players execute, trusting that their coaches are putting them into favorable situations. This is where the military analogy is most accurate. Soldiers fight according to the strategy and direction of leadership.
Two plays were sent for that one.. Rodgers used wrong one
 

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Mm addressed it in his pc

Missed it. To be quite honest, I skip the post game. Analysis and interviews...just sounds like excuses. Podcasts, shows like Undisputed or First Things First and radio interviews the following week reveal more.
 

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Missed it. To be quite honest, I skip the post game. Analysis and interviews...just sounds like excuses. Podcasts, shows like Undisputed or First Things First and radio interviews the following week reveal more.
You believe Skip Bayless reveals more than the head coach answering questions about the game? Surely you can't be serious...:roflmao:
 

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You believe Skip Bayless reveals more than the head coach answering questions about the game? Surely you can't be serious...:roflmao:

Wasn't talking about Skip Bayless...he grandstands. Plus he loves the Cowboys...can't take him seriously. I think Shannon Sharpe and Cris Carter offer excellent insight. They're HOFers and know the game. Even Nick Wright has great points.
 

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The players execute the game plan that the coaches implement. Last Sunday against Minnesota, McCarthy ran Aaron Jones into a 9 man box on 4th inches, everyone knew that play was going to fail. The blame is 50/50. The NFL doesn't officially allow for player/coach roles on teams. The players execute, trusting that their coaches are putting them into favorable situations. This is where the military analogy is most accurate. Soldiers fight according to the strategy and direction of leadership.
and I'll say it again, if you're not good enough to get a couple inches, you're just not good enough.
 

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Your last sentence has been something I have felt for a long time now. Nobody wants to seriously look that way because of his talent. Unfortunately if that is the case, we have a big problem.
I have wondered the same thing also. I hope 100% I am wrong.
 

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Wasn't talking about Skip Bayless...he grandstands. Plus he loves the Cowboys...can't take him seriously. I think Shannon Sharpe and Cris Carter offer excellent insight. They're HOFers and know the game. Even Nick Wright has great points.
Fair enough. When I read Undisputed I immediately thought of Skip and laughed.
 

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and I'll say it again, if you're not good enough to get a couple inches, you're just not good enough.
The only thing I wonder about is why the Packers seem to very seldom use the quarterback sneak. Do you think they are just worried about Aaron getting hit, or is he not comfortable doing it very often for some reason? I could be wrong because I don't have stats on this but it seems like I see Tom Brady QB sneak fairly often when they are in desperate need of a few inches. It just seems like it's a hard play to stop when you only need a few inches.
 
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