Post MM firing -- coaching search: who we want -- ALL threads merged

[PackerfaninCarolina]

At this point in time I think Rodgers may benefit from a defensive mind coach better than an offensive minded one.

I know we all want Rodgers to start toning down those drop back and chuck it deep moves, but I don't think it's having a defensive minded HC that's the answer. If anything, I'd see Rodgers getting even more upset if the new HC went too conservative.

I feel like MM if anything dialed down his old high tempo quick strike approach over the years. Granted some of it was personnel related, plus Rodgers's knee probably inhibited him from running down the field and getting quick snaps. But I still think he cuffed this offense too much in recent years, and if we get some big time playmakers this next HC needs to completely take the chains off it and run a high tempo aggressive approach.

 

[GleefulGary]

I don't think it's very likely, but I would really like to see Chris Peterson (UW) in Green Bay.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

At this point in time I think Rodgers may benefit from a defensive mind coach better than an offensive minded one.

I actually agree with that, if they hire a really solid OC. McCarthy has a good offensive mind, but I think in trying to be the play caller, run the offense and the rest of the team, he spread himself to thin (insert fat joke here).

 

[Dantés]

Aren't we not supposed to give X's without comment now? I think I remember that being a thing.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Aren't we not supposed to give X's without comment now? I think I remember that being a thing.

I believe the consesus is it's lame. I don't think there's any rule against it. I personally have no problem with it. You know what they say--leave 'em speechless.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I know we all want Rodgers to start toning down those drop back and chuck it deep moves....

I don't. If there's single high safety, he should take his fair share of deep shots. The connection with MVS needs some calibration. Graham tacking to port and then starboard and back again doesn't help.

 

[Dantés]

I believe the consesus is it's lame. I don't think there's any rule against it. I personally have no problem with it. You know what they say--leave 'em speechless.

Oh, I gotchya. Well, I guess @Southside can continue his stellar contributions to the conversation.

 

[G0P4ckG0]

Shower thought: Pettine as HC, Jim Leonhard as DC, Tom Melvin as OC.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

And after being promoted from just a position coach to a more influential “passing game coordinator” the group went from bottom of the league to upper half. And that’s with 16 or so different players back there. Can’t be all bad can he?

While the Packers secondary has improved this season they still rank only 25th in passer rating allowed this season

I'm pretty sure a position coach doesn't tell a defensive coordinator what he is going to do with players and where he is going to line them up. If he did, they'd have switched job titles. to even suggest that's how the hierarchy works is kind of silly I think and shows just how much someone is reaching too place blame on someone.

While the defensive coordinator is definitely the one make the final decision position coaches, especially experienced ones like Whitt, have a say in it for sure.

I don't think it's very likely, but I would really like to see Chris Peterson (UW) in Green Bay.

Petersen is an intriguing option but as I've mentioned before NFL teams tend to ignore coaches that have never worked at the pro level when hiring a head coach.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

*looks at previous post, waves goodbye*

EDIT: Thanks Mods.....obviously I wasn't talking about Captain's post, rather the annoying SPAM post that has now been removed by one of the watchful Mods. Hats off to the Mods who keep spammers from taking root in this site.

 

[Mondio]

*looks at previous post, waves goodbye*

Waves? Kick him in the ***!

 

[Mondio]

While the Packers secondary has improved this season they still rank only 25th in passer rating allowed this season



While the defensive coordinator is definitely the one make the final decision position coaches, especially experienced ones like Whitt, have a say in it for sure.



Petersen is an intriguing option but as I've mentioned before NFL teams tend to ignore coaches that have never worked at the pro level when hiring a head coach.

I’m sure Whitt had input, but I think the obvious reasons are the most likely for what transpired. It was nothing more than finding a way to get the best players on the field. Just like Matthews being moved to ILB when we had none, but had 3 quality OLBs.

The fact that MM openly said Randall was playing out of position before he ever switched positions for another team is good enough for me to say I’m pretty confident they knew he would have been better at safety

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I don't. If there's single high safety, he should take his fair share of deep shots. The connection with MVS needs some calibration. Graham tacking to port and then starboard and back again doesn't help.

By toning down I didn't mean do away with them, just meant being more selective so the defenders don't telegraph what he's doing, pin their ears back and decide he's sack bait. I just think he needs to be more focused on baiting them up with a bunch of quick shots, then pull a Favre on them with a hard pump fake and let his guys pull double moves and head deep.

I do like Rodgers going deep, just wish he'd be a little more tricky about it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I do like Rodgers going deep, just wish he'd be a little more tricky about it.

Agree on the being more tricky part, whether its a pump fake to a closer receiver to try and draw the safety in or on a screen that doesn't set up well. However, I do not like seeing him go deep on 3rd and short. Make the first down your priority and only if you see a sure thing, do you change it up and go deep.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Agree on the being more tricky part, whether its a pump fake to a closer receiver to try and draw the safety in or on a screen that doesn't set up well. However, I do not like seeing him go deep on 3rd and short. Make the first down your priority and only if you see a sure thing, do you change it up and go deep.

Or at least not unless he's mobile enough to roll out, then pull it down and run for the yardage.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Or at least not unless he's mobile enough to roll out, then pull it down and run for the yardage.

On 3rd and short, if the play call is a pass, I definitely prefer seeing Rodgers roll out for that very reason. Now his mobility isn't what it once was, but it still gives him a better shot at not being a sitting duck when a blitz collapses the pocket. If they motion a TE out with him, he at least has a bit of protection and a possible passing target. Obviously, you can't run that on every 3rd and short, but when you really need that first down, I like it.

 

[HardRightEdge]

By toning down I didn't mean do away with them, just meant being more selective so the defenders don't telegraph what he's doing, pin their ears back and decide he's sack bait. I just think he needs to be more focused on baiting them up with a bunch of quick shots, then pull a Favre on them with a hard pump fake and let his guys pull double moves and head deep.

I do like Rodgers going deep, just wish he'd be a little more tricky about it.

So now we're telling Rodgers he needs more pump fakes when that move is nearly extinct in the league? The pump fake gets the safety moving to that side of the field. You bring him into the play. The state of the art in NFL passing in opening up the deep route is to look off the safety in a route combination that makes the look plausible, not look toward the side of the field where you're throwing it along with that pump fake.

 

[Poppa San]

I definitely prefer seeing Rodgers roll out

By rolling out, you give up 1/3 - 1/2 the field. Or if all the patterns bring receivers to your side, you have also doubled the defenders to pass between. The sole option then is an across the field throw that after it is picked off everyone tells young players to never do.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

By rolling out, you give up 1/3 - 1/2 the field. Or if all the patterns bring receivers to your side, you have also doubled the defenders to pass between. The sole option then is an across the field throw that after it is picked off everyone tells young players to never do.

or you prevent yourself from being trapped and sacked in a collapsing pocket. Neither rolling out or staying in the pocket really guarantees you much, but with a more mobile QB, I usually prefer seeing them rolling out on 3rd/4th and short.

 

[FarmerPackerFan]

Another name that should be looked at is Freddie Kitchens, either for HC or OC, what he has been able to do in cleveland with adjusting the offense mid-season to tailor it to Mayfield's strengths has been nice to see.

 

[GleefulGary]

Another name that should be looked at is Freddie Kitchens, either for HC or OC, what he has been able to do in cleveland with adjusting the offense mid-season to tailor it to Mayfield's strengths has been nice to see.

Hello my fellow farmer and Packer fan!

I too really like Freddie Kitchens and would love to hire him.

 

[Dantés]

Get a tractor cab, you two...

 

[GleefulGary]

Get a tractor cab, you two...

Only if it's green.

 

[Mondio]

John Deere green?

 

[GleefulGary]

John Deere green?

Is there any other kind?