Packers vs Vikings Game Thread: I hate that Horn Edition

[GB2016]

Hafley stubbornly refuses to rush more than four. It isn’t working! It isn’t going to work.

Robert Saleh is patiently waiting.

 

[gopkrs]

Robert Saleh is patiently waiting.

Not really very sophisticated about it either. Usually he will just rush an extra guy right up the gut and they often just get caught up in a big scrum. Does it have something to do with LaFleur? because we have been doing this a long time.

 

[OldSchool101]

Was looking forward to going to LA. But it looks like cold, raucous Philly who will run the ball a lot more than the Vikings.

Yep. I wonder about that matchup. Our team tends to match up with teams that lean running the ball. If we get Walker back we gave a stout group of Run Defenders. There are probably 6 to 8 teams that can at least mitigate the Eagles power Run. I believe the Packers are one of them. We are ranked #6 in Rushing D. The Eagles top out the better Run Defenses at #10.

The Eagles had the Cowboys number 2X this year with blowouts. But if you look the Cowboys have a #29 ranked run Defense.

One bright spot of hope if we go to Philly. GB held Saquon to a respectable 147 yards and 3.8 per carry in our first meeting. The Packers are #4 ranked in Rushing Yards per carry allowed at 4.0 per. The only teams better are Ravens Broncos Vikings Jets. Teams that you immediately think of with a Stout D front 7.

Conversely. If we can run on the #3 ranked Vikings Run D, we can run on anyone.
Our pass Defense and #21 ranked penalty yardage team is what hurts us. The Eagles are #2 in penalty yardage given up. They are extremely disciplined and offer little to no help. They do however turn the ball over on O and we take the ball away on D,
so there’s that

 

[melvin dangerr]

He is not on IR and never was.

Isn’t he out for a knee injury

 

[OldSchool101]

Isn’t he out for a knee injury

PCL. Should’ve been back a few weeks ago so it’s very concerning. Although if they thought he was done they wouldn’t use a roster spot though. So there’s that.

My guess is he’s aggravated it a couple times. Possibly as little as a couple weeks ago. We still have 2 weeks before playoffs and I’m wondering if we aren’t holding him back being extra cautious? Just give him that extra 2-3 weeks is the only thing that makes sense.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Honestly.... I just looked up and seen the Packers have lost their 5 games by a combined 22 points. (10 of those in the 24-14 loss to lions). 4 being a combined 12 points.

And it seems like we are getting some key pieces back for playoff time.

If GB decides to start firing on all cylinders, we might just steam roll through the playoffs. We have done very well with guys like love and Alexander injured. I imagine we could be peaking at the right time. Coming in under the radar.

 

[melvin dangerr]

PCL. Should’ve been back a few weeks ago so it’s very concerning. Although if they thought he was done they wouldn’t use a roster spot though. So there’s that.

My guess is he’s aggravated it a couple times. Possibly as little as a couple weeks ago. We still have 2 weeks before playoffs and I’m wondering if we aren’t holding him back being extra cautious? Just give him that extra 2-3 weeks is the only thing that makes sense.

Ok thanks for clearing that up thought it was just and injured knee and they were holding him out until the playoffs

 

[Sanguine camper]

The problem with the Packers us their

That clears it up - competing for Super Bowl to me is being one of the four or six teams that folks give a realistic shot at pushing to be in the SB, which I think for some is debatable to include GB this year. Competing for it as you described is slightly different in being one of the two teams in the game, makes me understand your take better.

The problem with the Packers is their big players measured by salary come up small in big games. It happens over and over again going back more than a decade. It makes no sense to get caught up in the minutia of the games. They just fail to make the plays when needed. Where was Gary or Clark or Alexander or McKinney or even Love against the Lions or Vikings. They were basically AWOL. That's going to happen again in the playoffs. They'll get bounced out right away because they play small.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Not really very sophisticated about it either. Usually he will just rush an extra guy right up the gut and they often just get caught up in a big scrum. Does it have something to do with LaFleur? because we have been doing this a long time.

As long as MLF has been HC, the D has played it safe. I don't care for that - rushing four or five, playing zone, and usually not getting anywhere.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Nope you hurt his feelings hes gonna cry. LOL

 

[OldSchool101]

The problem with the Packers is their big players measured by salary come up small in big games. . Where was Gary or Clark or Alexander or McKinney or even Love against the Lions or Vikings. They were basically AWOL. That's going to happen again in the playoffs. They'll get bounced out right away because they play small.

I disagree on this part. We went to their turf and start the game by marching down the field and on a 7 yard run we fumble on the MN38. Even after spotting MN an extra Possession in good field position we held. Punt. In total Vikes scored 13 points in First Half. Our problem was OUR Offense scored just 3 points. We’ve got to find a way to start faster than 3 points in 2 Quarters.

In the 2nd Half our D allowed 14 points. However they also INT a pass and dropped our Offense on the MN18. So for me that’s at MINIMUM 3 points to our Defense and we actually scored a TD a few plays later. Our D gets credit somewhere between 3-7 points across 3rd-4th Quarters. So they allowed 7 points. Without our D INT our Offense scored 18 points. That’s not going to work in postseason.


Btw. Alexander hadn’t played any Lions or Vikings games. 0-4. So just erase his name from your complaint list he can’t perform if he’s not activated. Also we lost our backup Safety and had to shuffle players. Wyatt went out with a concussion.
So we were missing 3 D starters and then lost our backup Safety, so we lost our Slot CB to play Safety. I’m not making excuses, we’re playing a 14 Win team here, at some point our Offense needs to Pony up some points and help out when we’re dinged up. You know, sorta like Detroit does

 

[Heyjoe4]

I disagree on this part. We went to their turf and start the game by marching down the field and on a 7 yard run we fumble on the MN38. Even after spotting MN an extra Possession in good field position we held. Punt. In total Vikes scored 13 points in First Half. Our problem was OUR Offense scored just 3 points. We’ve got to find a way to start faster than 3 points in 2 Quarters.

In the 2nd Half our D allowed 14 points. However they also INT a pass and dropped our Offense on the MN18. So for me that’s at MINIMUM 3 points to our Defense and we actually scored a TD a few plays later. Our D gets credit somewhere between 3-7 points across 3rd-4th Quarters. So they allowed 7 points. Without our D INT our Offense scored 18 points. That’s not going to work in postseason.


Btw. Alexander hadn’t played any Lions or Vikings games. 0-4. So just erase his name from your complaint list he can’t perform if he’s not activated. Also we lost our backup Safety and had to shuffle players. Wyatt went out with a concussion.
So we were missing 3 D starters and then lost our backup Safety, so we lost our Slot CB to play Safety. I’m not making excuses, we’re playing a 14 Win team here, at some point our Offense needs to Pony up some points and help out when we’re dinged up. You know, sorta like Detroit does

Love isn't growing into the role of a leader. He always has a non-descript, nonchalant look on his face. When Z slammed him in the jaw in the first Lions' game - a hit that should have been roughing - I would have expected him to be up and screaming for the foul, even if he wasn't going to get it. Nope. 4th down, punt away, go back and sit on bench like a little lamb.

Passion and ambition can't be taught. I hope he finds it somewhere inside him.

 

[tynimiller]

Love isn't growing into the role of a leader. He always has a non-descript, nonchalant look on his face. When Z slammed him in the jaw in the first Lions' game - a hit that should have been roughing - I would have expected him to be up and screaming for the foul, even if he wasn't going to get it. Nope. 4th down, punt away, go back and sit on bench like a little lamb.

Passion and ambition can't be taught. I hope he finds it somewhere inside him.

There is a fine line between an unflappable personality and not a leader. I do think of course he leads insanely different than Rodgers or Favre did but I also know he has his guys behind him 1,000% because he never flips blame, always looks unaffected and focused.

Little dial turn up on the emotions wouldn’t be a terrible thing I admit tho

 

[Sanguine camper]

I disagree on this part. We went to their turf and start the game by marching down the field and on a 7 yard run we fumble on the MN38. Even after spotting MN an extra Possession in good field position we held. Punt. In total Vikes scored 13 points in First Half. Our problem was OUR Offense scored just 3 points. We’ve got to find a way to start faster than 3 points in 2 Quarters.

In the 2nd Half our D allowed 14 points. However they also INT a pass and dropped our Offense on the MN18. So for me that’s at MINIMUM 3 points to our Defense and we actually scored a TD a few plays later. Our D gets credit somewhere between 3-7 points across 3rd-4th Quarters. So they allowed 7 points. Without our D INT our Offense scored 18 points. That’s not going to work in postseason.


Btw. Alexander hadn’t played any Lions or Vikings games. 0-4. So just erase his name from your complaint list he can’t perform if he’s not activated. Also we lost our backup Safety and had to shuffle players. Wyatt went out with a concussion.
So we were missing 3 D starters and then lost our backup Safety, so we lost our Slot CB to play Safety. I’m not making excuses, we’re playing a 14 Win team here, at some point our Offense needs to Pony up some points and help out when we’re dinged up. You know, sorta like Detroit does

Those do sound like excuses. Either you make the big plays or you don't, and the big salary guys were AWOL. Alexander needs to get on the field. He's had numerous injuries where he just languishes. We don't know the reasons why but its the NFL. Lots of other players get back on the field. He's probably worn out his welcome in GB and will be gone soon. They don't beed another Bakhtiari situation. Every team is shuffling players at this point of the season. It didn't stop Detroit from beating the Packers missing 6 starters on defense. It's a cliché but true. The big players need to make big plays in big games to beat good teams. That's been missing for a very long time. It would behoove MLF to do something different with his big salary guys.

 

[Team Ronny]

The defense can't get off the field in under minutes either. Tired of watching that defense get matched right down the field, to lose the game.4 of those games were winnable. They got lucky the bares were stupid in the first meeting too, the defense almost **** the bed in that game too!

 

[Heyjoe4]

There is a fine line between an unflappable personality and not a leader. I do think of course he leads insanely different than Rodgers or Favre did but I also know he has his guys behind him 1,000% because he never flips blame, always looks unaffected and focused.

Little dial turn up on the emotions wouldn’t be a terrible thing I admit tho

Yeah that's a good point - he doesn't throw any of his teammates under the bus. He accepts responsibility for the team and that is a mark of a leader. And a nice change given the way Rodgers turned out at the end, taking very little responsibility for what occurred on the field.

I think we were all expecting more from him this year, and maybe he'll still come through. And I'm sure he has expected more from himself. Last post season the Packers surprised us. History can repeat.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Those do sound like excuses. Either you make the big plays or you don't, and the big salary guys were AWOL. Alexander needs to get on the field. He's had numerous injuries where he just languishes. We don't know the reasons why but its the NFL. Lots of other players get back on the field. He's probably worn out his welcome in GB and will be gone soon. They don't beed another Bakhtiari situation. Every team is shuffling players at this point of the season. It didn't stop Detroit from beating the Packers missing 6 starters on defense. It's a cliché but true. The big players need to make big plays in big games to beat good teams. That's been missing for a very long time. It would behoove MLF to do something different with his big salary guys.

Excuses never cut it. Big time players make big plays when they have to, period.

As for JA's injury situation, something just doesn't seem right about that. He's been week-to-week for two months, and now it's suddenly revealed that a PCL tear won't repair itself and he needs surgery. Nothing adds up here. He is a great corner when he plays. I have a feeling his time in GB is done, and we may never know what happened to the guy. (And his injuries go way beyond this year's knee problem. I think he's become gun shy, afraid to make or take a hit. They're paying him too much for that.)

Anyway on to the playoffs, probably Philly. A lot of guys need to get healthy between now and then. Either way, there should be no excuses. Win or go home. I actually think they will make a good showing in the playoffs. Just a gut feeling.

 

[OldSchool101]

Those do sound like excuses. Either you make the big plays or you don't, and the big salary guys were AWOL. Alexander needs to get on the field. He's had numerous injuries where he just languishes. We don't know the reasons why but it’s the NFL. Lots of other players get back on the field. He's probably worn out his welcome in GB and will be gone soon. They don't beed another Bakhtiari situation. Every team is shuffling players at this point of the season. It didn't stop Detroit from beating the Packers missing 6 starters on defense. It's a cliché but true. The big players need to make big plays in big games to beat good teams. That's been missing for a very long time. It would behoove MLF to do something different with his big salary guys.

Alexander is NOT getting on the field. Alexander hasn’t played since Mid October!, It’s January of the following year!! He just had surgery a few hours ago. Alexander is NOT making up an injury that required physical surgery as some type of ploy to avoid playing. There will be no “tough it out” speech that will result in Alexander playing.

The Packers are a strong 1st or 2nd Quarter “showing up” on Offense from beating what everyone is touting as SB favorite. Nothing more and nothing less. The whole “sky is falling” thing is a little much. If there is anyone I’ve witnessed that needs to tough it out? You would be my nomination!
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[Heyjoe4]

Alexander is NOT getting on the field. Alexander hasn’t played since Mid October!, It’s January of the following year!! He just had surgery a few hours ago. Alexander is NOT making up an injury that required physical surgery as some type of ploy to avoid playing. There will be no “tough it out” speech that will result in Alexander playing.

The Packers are a strong 1st or 2nd Quarter “showing up” on Offense from beating what everyone is touting as SB favorite. Nothing more and nothing less. The whole “sky is falling” thing is a little much. If there is anyone I’ve witnessed that needs to tough it out? You would be my nomination!
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Sanguine people are often the life of the party
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Sanguine people regularly see the bright side of things
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Sanguine people love a good adventure. They often are bored with typical outcomes

Good news! This season has been anything but typical, so this should be right up your alley. It’s like a dream come true!

I think all of their losses ended up being close as far as scoring. But in many cases they were entering the 3rd and 4th Qs well behind. "Just" playing better from the start changes some of those outcomes.

I guess I'm not that concerned about how they'll fare in the playoffs. A wild card win at Philly or SoFi would be a terrific start.

 

[Pkrjones]

Hahahaha... for tonight's game the Vikes got savage!! The Vikes bought up 1,900 tickets for seats on the Lion's sideline & sold them to Viking's fans at a discount. Wonder if one or more fans will have mini-horns to blow & be totally obnoxious?

 

[milani]

Excuses never cut it. Big time players make big plays when they have to, period.

As for JA's injury situation, something just doesn't seem right about that. He's been week-to-week for two months, and now it's suddenly revealed that a PCL tear won't repair itself and he needs surgery. Nothing adds up here. He is a great corner when he plays. I have a feeling his time in GB is done, and we may never know what happened to the guy. (And his injuries go way beyond this year's knee problem. I think he's become gun shy, afraid to make or take a hit. They're paying him too much for that.)

Anyway on to the playoffs, probably Philly. A lot of guys need to get healthy between now and then. Either way, there should be no excuses. Win or go home. I actually think they will make a good showing in the playoffs. Just a gut feeling.

JA could be toast. He may come back and no longer have the strength in the leg to compete. Makes a big difference. He would not be able to cover and likely would get hurt again at this level. We have a decision to make.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Alexander is NOT getting on the field. Alexander hasn’t played since Mid October!, It’s January of the following year!! He just had surgery a few hours ago. Alexander is NOT making up an injury that required physical surgery as some type of ploy to avoid playing. There will be no “tough it out” speech that will result in Alexander playing.

The Packers are a strong 1st or 2nd Quarter “showing up” on Offense from beating what everyone is touting as SB favorite. Nothing more and nothing less. The whole “sky is falling” thing is a little much. If there is anyone I’ve witnessed that needs to tough it out? You would be my nomination!
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Sanguine people are often the life of the party
Sanguine people tend to have a positive outlook on life
Sanguine people regularly see the bright side of things
Sanguine people are at ease in communicating to others in a positive or uplifting way
Sanguine people love a good adventure. They often are bored with typical outcomes

Good news! This season has been anything but typical, so this should be right up your alley. It’s like a dream come true!

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