Packers vs Seachickens Pregame

[gopkrs]

Leroy and Tom noticed what I noticed. Teams are using a template of rushing extra guys early to get after Jordan. However we seem to not have any plan to change the play when it’s clear they are running that Casino blitz

Even at the line of scrimmage just before the snap, you don't really know who is coming and who is going to step back. And even a big number blitz can be effective against the run. So you have to call the play based on tendencies. Which I think is what we do. I like the slant idea but I'm not a big fan of the bubble screen though in the right situation can work. I just think it's used too much and it can really get the Defense and fans excited when it gets pounded.

 

[JKramer64]

This game is important for the team's psyche. Going into a hostile road environment against a division leader on a 4 game winning streak. If they lose, doubt will creep in their minds that they can go on the road in the playoffs and win. They need to go into the playoffs on a roll, confident that they can go to Philly or Detroit and play a competitive game.

 

[Pkrjones]

I like the slant idea but I'm not a big fan of the bubble screen though in the right situation can work. I just think it's used too much and it can really get the Defense and fans excited when it gets pounded.

Why not motion Kraft outside (probably matching him with a CB or S) & slanting him? He'd have 4-6" & 50 lbs. on DB so would run right thru any coverage, make the reception (hopefully) & punish any DB's attempting a tackle. I love watching his YAC as he looks to hurt someone. That play would put a healthy scare into the DB's on future blitzes.

 

[OldSchool101]

Even at the line of scrimmage just before the snap, you don't really know who is coming and who is going to step back. And even a big number blitz can be effective against the run. So you have to call the play based on tendencies. Which I think is what we do. I like the slant idea but I'm not a big fan of the bubble screen though in the right situation can work. I just think it's used too much and it can really get the Defense and fans excited when it gets pounded.

I can see where their comments could be abrasive. I hate screens because we generally are not effective and we run a screen at the edge of field range and lose -4 yards. So I think what they are implying is more mix it up and don’t be as predictable.

I do like the idea of bringing a 12 personnel and keeping an extra blocker back in that 1st series. Then hitting Doubs or Wicks or Tucker for that short gainer or Jacobs on a 1 yard pass. The idea being hit someone in space and let them fight for YAC past that 1 yard high probability play.

 

[OldSchool101]

The latest injury report is about as positive as we could ask for. Every Starter except Bullard had potential of suiting up. Not suggesting everyone will play or play at 100% or play every last snap. However in full pads were
Evan Williams, Romeo Doubs, Jaire Alexander, Edgerrin Cooper. I could never get a bead on Musgrave, but I do know for a fact he was at Practice in at least limited capacity in individual drills. That tells me it’s highly likely Luke will be playing again by our NO or Minnesota game next week and ramping up with plenty of time to get reacquainted during our Regular season.

We might not be 100% healthy, but we’re not far off. I predict this good news will have a substantial, positive impact on the next couple of games.

 

[Pkrjones]

That tells me it’s highly likely Luke will be playing again by our Atlanta or Minnesota game next week and ramping up with plenty of time to get reacquainted during our Regular season.

I know you meant New Orleans instead of Atlanta, just didn't want anyone to freak out that we'd be facing Cousins instead of probably Haener.

 

[chemist]

This game is important for the team's psyche. Going into a hostile road environment against a division leader on a 4 game winning streak. If they lose, doubt will creep in their minds that they can go on the road in the playoffs and win. They need to go into the playoffs on a roll, confident that they can go to Philly or Detroit and play a competitive game.

I believe we already did go to detroit and play a competitive a game. One extra stop by our D might have put another W in our stats.

 

[JKramer64]

Jaire and Bullard ruled out for Sunday. Cooper, Doubs and William's will play.

I have to wonder if we've seen the last of Jaire for this season. As it stands now, they're going to have to move Nixon back in the slot and play Valentine and Stokes on the boundaries. Not good facing Geno.

 

[Pkrjones]

Jaire and Bullard ruled out for Sunday. Cooper, Doubs and William's will play.

I have to wonder if we've seen the last of Jaire for this season. As it stands now, they're going to have to move Nixon back in the slot and play Valentine and Stokes on the boundaries. Not good facing Geno.

Stokes?!? Stokes?!?!! I'd rather drop Kenny Clark back than watch Stokes get roasted 85% of the passes thrown his way. C'mon, Hafley, elevate Hadden & give him a shot instead of Stokes. Per PFF Stokes a bottom 25% of all CB's in the NFL (161/213).

In other news...RB Kenneth Walker is Doubtful for Sunday night which helps GB stopping the run.

 

[JKramer64]

I would prefer to see Kalen King get a shot at playing the slot. Move Nixon back outside with Valentine. I just don't know if the coaching staff would take a chance on a rookie who hasn't played yet. Same with Hadden. King was moved up from the practice squad last game. Maybe he has been showing something on the practice field.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Gotta think the Packers are sitting Jaire until the playoffs. He may see a little action to warm up before then but I doubt we'll see much more of Alexander in a Packers jersey. There are only modest savings from cutting Alexander in 2025 but in 2026 it would be significant. Problem is that good cb's are hard to find on the free agent market so the cap savings may not be able to land a replacement. Stokes won't be resigned and will also be gone. Two first round cb's are going out the door.

 

[Sanguine camper]

With Alexander out against Seattle's talented WR'ers, the Packers will have to run the ball and execute in the short passing game to keep their offense on the sidelines. Detroit did it to the Packers so MFL will need to learn from Dan Campbell to beat the Seahawks.

 

[milani]

Even at the line of scrimmage just before the snap, you don't really know who is coming and who is going to step back. And even a big number blitz can be effective against the run. So you have to call the play based on tendencies. Which I think is what we do. I like the slant idea but I'm not a big fan of the bubble screen though in the right situation can work. I just think it's used too much and it can really get the Defense and fans excited when it gets pounded.

It helps when the QB and receivers have been together for a while and can read this. I recall the first play from scrimmage in SB 31 Favre saw the Pats stacking and looking to come. He quickly changed the call and Andre Rison broke deep down the middle for a TD. Favre did this with Antonio Freeman a number of times. Burn them once and it can change what they do.

 

[OldSchool101]

In other news...RB Kenneth Walker is Doubtful for Sunday night which helps GB stopping the run.

I had heard he was going in for additional testing concerning a Calf muscle. I knew right away he wasn’t playing. Any Calf muscle needing multiple tests isn’t a Calf you’ll be running on full throttle. Ain’t happening.
I’ve had 2 Calf injuries. I doing leg press but double n single calf raises in my 30’s with weight I should’ve been squatting. That one popped and I knew I had 60 seconds tops to get to my car. I drove using my left foot for a month. Maybe 8-10 months recovery time.
My 2nd Calf injury overlapped Rodgers calf injury.. just before it when I was in my early 40’s. Medium pull, but I couldn’t even walk normal for 2-3 weeks, to walk my dogs was tough. It took 3-4 months to fully recover to a point I could run. Bad pulled Calf muscles are tough to heal and even minor ones you’d miss several weeks imo.

 

[rmontro]

Caleb’s acknowledges this team is good, maybe disagrees at times on how good but haven’t seen him say they’re not.

Fully may have missed a post tho

He's said several times that we'll finish in the cellar next year.

 

[Firethorn1001]

I have to wonder if we've seen the last of Jaire

Remove 'for the season'.

He misses the rest of the season, they might just move on given the last 2 years he has been unreliable. Sure can't go into next season thinking he is the number one for 17 games.

 

[OldSchool101]

Gotta think the Packers are sitting Jaire until the playoffs. He may see a little action to warm up before then but I doubt we'll see much more of Alexander in a Packers jersey. There are only modest savings from cutting Alexander in 2025 but in 2026 it would be significant. Problem is that good cb's are hard to find on the free agent market so the cap savings may not be able to land a replacement. Stokes won't be resigned and will also be gone. Two first round cb's are going out the door.

I do think they’ll proceed with caution with J’aire. The first attempt was 3 weeks out from initial injury. J’aire said he reaggravated it. Although I doubt it was worse than the original injury. Next week’s Saints game will be 5 weeks from that Chicago game in reference. My guess is he’s a 50/50 coin flip for that game. I’d say more like 70/30 he plays by Minnesota in 2 weeks. That’s 6 weeks out from him tweaking it and 9 Weeks from the initial tear.

If we can Win in Seattle there’s only way the Packers would miss postseason is Seattle or LA going 3-0 + GB going 0-3 to to finish. Could happen but very unlikely. What I’m saying is a Packer Win Sunday could give us more reason to take a chance resting players. Until we win another game we are not guaranteed anything though. Get this Win and I’ll feel much better about Playoffs and the so called “resting players” idea. Might be resting JA and the entire organization 4-5 months if we’re not careful.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I didn't see this thread started and wanted to discuss the upcoming games. Apologies if I stepped on toes starting it.

I watched the Cards vs Seachickens matchup this past Sunday and was surprised how good Seattle looks. I knew they had a good record, but hadn't had the opportunity to watch them yet. Seems they have a solid run game and Geno is more poised than I have seen in the past. I would say the big difference, as is with most games, were the two early interceptions that Murray threw. Cards started to come back but couldn't overcome those early turnovers.

The Packers are sitting at 7th scoring 26.8 ppg. Seattle is tick behind them at 23.2 ppg. The Packers currently are only giving up 21.1 ppg on defense as Seattle gives up 21.8. Kind of a wash. The Packers have really stepped up their run defense the past few games and are ranked 9th in yards against the run. The Seachickens, well, they can be had on the ground. They are ranked 21st giving up 4.7 yards per rush on average. I like that. If the Pack sticks with running the football, and not turning it over, I really like their chances in this one.

I'm going to go Pack 28-21 in this one.

Thanks for the stats Krabs. Good analysis of the upcoming game. Hopefully MLF learned a lesson in the loss to Detroit - start with the run and stay with the run, best way to build and maintain a lead.

What I would like to see for this game and the rest of the schedule is more RPO once the ground game is established. Now maybe they are running RPO and I just don't see it. Either way, it's a good strategy to buy Love more time. He hasn't played well when pressured and hurried. He panics when blitzed, and that was clear early in the Lions game.

They can't look past the seahags. Winning out would be great, starting in Seattle.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Even at the line of scrimmage just before the snap, you don't really know who is coming and who is going to step back. And even a big number blitz can be effective against the run. So you have to call the play based on tendencies. Which I think is what we do. I like the slant idea but I'm not a big fan of the bubble screen though in the right situation can work. I just think it's used too much and it can really get the Defense and fans excited when it gets pounded.

The slant just seems easier to execute than a screen or bubble screen. But of the seahags follow the Lions' early strategy and blitz, then screen plays are called or, and keep a RB/TE home to chip.

 

[tynimiller]

He's said several times that we'll finish in the cellar next year.

Oh sorry, misunderstood thought discussion was this year. Too many things can move and change for any of us to talk about next year

 

[Pugger]

Getting Doubs and Alexander both back on the field is a pretty hefty plus. These are two guys who can contribute quite a bit to a game plan. How the coaches utilize them, I don't know. I hope they're ready to take on full loads.

Jaire is out. I suspect his injury is more severe than they are letting on...

 

[Pugger]

I actually think on a whole most of the NFL media folks know and recognize Green Bay is a contender and good, its those in our own fanbase that continue to not see it.

Most of us think we are good but not good enough to go very far in the post season right now. We have a few more holes to fill in before we are upper echelon.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Most of us think we are good but not good enough to go very far in the post season right now. We have a few more holes to fill in before we are upper echelon.

The Packers are who they've been for the past 14 seasons. Good enough to make the playoffs but lacking in focus and intensity. The roster always has exploitable holes that arise from the GM doubling down to fix holes from previous high draft pick busts. I expect this team to make the playoffs and then get bounced again.

MLF is in his 6th season. The question I have with keeping him on is whether he learns enough from his mistakes to improve? Same as for a player. If the Packers are ever really going to compete for a SB, then both MLF and Gute need to improve their performances. Gute has done a great job in free agency and picks 4-7 but has too many high draft pick busts. MLF is a good offensive coordinator but is he a good head coach ?

 

[OldSchool101]

Jaire is out. I suspect his injury is more severe than they are letting on...

Who is “they”?
I highly doubt our Coaches or Staff think he’s “severely injured”. First of all I don’t think they’d allow a severely injured player to suit up. Secondly severely injured people are in a hospital or at minimum soaking in an ice bucket, they don’t suit up and run around the field imo

 

[PackerDNA]

Most of us think we are good but not good enough to go very far in the post season right now. We have a few more holes to fill in before we are upper echelon.

Sums it up for me.